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Old 11th January 2018, 04:58 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
I didn't say everyone here was a missionary. I see there's only a few people.

They already put a few sentries on every forum.

If you look carefully, it's easy to know. They act as if they have a belief other than Christianity.

But when the time comes, they make moves in favour of Christianity.
Well, for what it's worth... As far as I'm concerned you, the Christians, and the Jews, all the 'peoples of the books' are wrong.
There's no YHWH/God the Father/Allah.
And all three holy books are full of inaccuracies, inconsistencies, lies, myths and propaganda, which shows they were written by the people of their time, and not (inspired) by an omiscient creator.
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Old 11th January 2018, 05:45 AM   #122
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Emre is a Pagan here, as he believes in a god too many. Which franchise? That's a minor detail.

Besides the fact 19 is a stupid number.
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Old 11th January 2018, 07:18 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
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Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.


2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell.
Couple of things, first of all the fact that Mohammad "borrowed" our Lord and Savior's metaphor about camel passing through the eye of a needle does not make the Holy Bible "false."

Second Mohammed had no hesitation in blatantly "borrowing" from Christ, now did he?
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Old 11th January 2018, 07:24 AM   #124
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Couple of things, first of all the fact that Mohammad "borrowed" our Lord and Savior's metaphor about camel passing through the eye of a needle does not make the Holy Bible "false."
More likely a rope than a camel.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
... our Lord and Savior's metaphor
... valid for a value of we locally tending to just one person (and probably a handful among all the people who has read or will ever read from this thread)
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Old 11th January 2018, 08:10 AM   #126
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... valid for a value of we locally tending to just one person (and probably a handful among all the people who has read or will ever read from this thread)

Shush, you'll give Secret Agent Christian Missionary TBD's game away!

He's already having enough trouble with the "pretending not to be Christian" part, without you prodding him on it!
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Or MoMo just made it all up because he was high and/or crazy.
Not necessarily. He simply shared the general ignorance of his time, and thought the sun moves across the sky to a destination ordained by God. He didn't know that the Sun's apparent motion is the effect of the daily and annual rotation of the Earth.

Muhammad had some primitive ideas about the motion of the Sun. Here's Quran 18:83
They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road. And he followed a road Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring.
Modern Muslim commentators strive mightily to reinterpret this passage as a metaphor of some kind, or that it was seen setting over the Sea, or something like that. But I think the passage was intended literally by a person without any knowledge of the true structure of the solar system.
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Old 11th January 2018, 08:16 AM   #128
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Not imams, we are researchers and thinkers saying that the sun is going to a decision spot in galaxy.

The Qur'an says it clearly.

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/

If you read the book in integrity, it's not just the galaxies, it's about our adventure journey in the universes.

We're telling the truth.

But you Christian missionaries are lying.
The sun does not move to a destination, it orbits the galaxy. But Muhammad did not know this and he thought it orbits the earth. If you accepted the following hadith you would see that there is no doubt of this.


The quran says the sun orbits the earth, therefore it is not from God.

when the quran says, at sura 21.33 and 36.40 and 36.38 that the sun has an orbit, Imams falsely claim this is a great revelation, because Muhammad knew the sun had an orbit in the galaxy. But the quran is actually saying the sun orbits the flat earth and is reset every dawn , and I can prove it with the following hadith.

Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

As can be seen it says that if the sun changed direction it would rise in the west. But if the sun changed direction in its orbit in the galaxy it would make no difference to the sun rising in the east, because it is the rotation of the earth that causes the appearance of the sun in the east. The hadith is clearly saying the sun orbits the earth, and it is a fuller explanation of verse 36.38 in the quran.
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Shush, you'll give Secret Agent Christian Missionary TBD's game away!

He's already having enough trouble with the "pretending not to be Christian" part, without you prodding him on it!
doing what now?
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Let's honour the thread's title and compare this piece of mythological stuff, based on a prophecy:

prophecy (nothing too bad with it, as it is just babbling about the future) made by "Isaiah" about 700 BC:
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Isaiah 7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
The annunciation according to Matthew (about 90 CE)
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[1:18] Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
[19] Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
[20] But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
[22] Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
[23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
But Luke (circa 100 CE) or his revisionists (second century CE) had more to tell:
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1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Which is exactly what the Quran (640-650 CE, years after Muhammad's death) takes
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3.47 She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.

3.48 And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel

3.49 And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.
What is the narrator-made "fulfilment" of the prophecy in the Gospels, and a modified copy in the Quran.

So, there is no correction here but mythology in all three books.
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I am beginning to suspect that the OP does not comprehend that it is entirely possible to believe no deity at all.
You may be right. It seems Emre is like that Turkish man of the story, the one in the 19th century who was a devout Muslim and was mystified when he was shown the picture of a horse. He wouldn't understand what it was as he had never seen a 2-D representation of a living thing.
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The sun does not move to a destination, it orbits

Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:
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You missionaries can not do anything but refuge in translation mistakes

The true translation is:

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

Contrary to the assertion that the sun traced a vicious circle about the earth or that it was stationary, the 38th verse of the sura “Ya-Seen” stated correctly that it moved on to its destination. As in other subjects, in this one also the Quran is the source that gave a correct account of the sun’s motion.

And

Hadiths are rumors.

The only source of Islam is the Qur'an.

Having to take refuge in the religion of the hadith means that you accept the defeat.

All you can do is to take refuge in translation mistakes and non-Qur'anic sources.

You gave up quickly.
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There's no one else named Joshua.

He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.
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There's no one else named Joshua.

He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.
The Koran refers to the person we call Jesus as ʿĪsā ibn Maryam.

The suggestion that he was the Nephew of Moses in blasphemous in both Christianity and Islam.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
You missionaries can not do anything but refuge in translation mistakes

The true translation is:

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

Contrary to the assertion that the sun traced a vicious circle about the earth or that it was stationary, the 38th verse of the sura “Ya-Seen” stated correctly that it moved on to its destination. As in other subjects, in this one also the Quran is the source that gave a correct account of the sun’s motion.

And

Hadiths are rumors.

The only source of Islam is the Qur'an.

Having to take refuge in the religion of the hadith means that you accept the defeat.

All you can do is to take refuge in translation mistakes and non-Qur'anic sources.

You gave up quickly.
You do go on, and on.

I wake and like to click on this forum and, you are always there.

Some opine you are a cloaked Christian warrior, I cannot with evidence respond to that.

But, I can say that your words waste electricity and thus are a continuation of the earth's ecological decline.

To save the planet, accept the fact that religion and the bollocks that follows put a massive load on the system, a load that the planet needs rid of.
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How ouerile can you be, Emre?

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Contrary to the assertion that the sun traced a vicious circle about the earth or that it was stationary, the 38th verse of the sura “Ya-Seen” stated correctly that it moved on to its destination.
For you to understand it easy



"its destination" means anything, so it means nothing. It's just politician parlance.

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You gave up quickly.
Oh! A struggle for power with Emre!

Diddy-dee, 19!
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There's no one else named Joshua.

He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.
İsa= Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua, and Isaiah
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İsa= Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua, and Isaiah
Don't worry, we know you have a hell of a confusion!
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There's no one else named Joshua.

He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.
That is ignorant nonsense.
Many people shared the name. Christ's given name, commonly Romanized as Yeshua, was quite common in first-century Galilee. (Jesus comes from the transliteration of Yeshua into Greek and then English.) Archaeologists have unearthed the tombs of 71 Yeshuas from the period of Jesus' death. The name also appears 30 times in the Old Testament in reference to four separate characters—including a descendent of Aaron who helped to distribute offerings of grain (2 Chronicles 31:15) and a man who accompanied former captives of Nebuchadnezzar back to Jerusalem (Ezra 2:2).
About fifteen people bearing that name are mentioned by the Jewish historian Josephus, in his various surviving works.

ETA In Josephus' Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel.

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There's no one else named Joshua.

He was Jesus.

Jesus is the nephew of Moses and he has come to earth much earlier than you think.
The Koran refers to the person we call Jesus as ʿĪsā ibn Maryam.

The suggestion that he was the Nephew of Moses in blasphemous in both Christianity and Islam.
So, it means nothing. Two soap operas have similar arguments and a lot of mistakes. The important fact is they are cheesy and irrelevant to life in the modern world.
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So, it means nothing. Two soap operas have similar arguments and a lot of mistakes. The important fact is they are cheesy and irrelevant to life in the modern world.
wait... you think that Christianity and Islam are "irrelevant" to life in the modern world?

'k.

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wait... you think that Christianity and Islam are "irrelevant" to life in the modern world?

'k.

lolz!!
Certainly the existence of both religions has an unfortunate degree of relevance in our modern world. One would think humanity would have grown out of such things by now. The theological differences are meaningless though. It would be as of much value to argue over the color of fairy dust as to contend over the two narratives.
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Ok, Christianity and Islam not irrelevant, but their differences “meaningless.”

Oh mercy

I hope the op is realizing that we don’t have Christian missionaries, but plenty of atheist missionaries.
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wait... you think that Christianity and Islam are "irrelevant" to life in the modern world?........
They certainly should be. The gibberings of superstitious bronze age Arab goat herders should have no part in the lives of anyone in the 21st century other than quaint historical interest.
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wait... you think that Christianity and Islam are "irrelevant" to life in the modern world?

'k.

lolz!!
Certainly the existence of both religions has an unfortunate degree of relevance in our modern world. One would think humanity would have grown out of such things by now. The theological differences are meaningless though. It would be as of much value to argue over the color of fairy dust as to contend over the two narratives.
Islam and Christianity are irrelevant to the modern world in the sense they don't provide to the "modern" part of it. Or is anyone to state that those religions have contributed to the progress in science, health, culture and the material world?

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Ok, Christianity and Islam not irrelevant, but their differences “meaningless.”

Oh mercy

I hope the op is realizing that we don’t have Christian missionaries, but plenty of atheist missionaries.
To be an atheist missionary one should be first and atheist.

You and Emre have to thank that you are not dealt with like Emre is in this very thread at Godlike Productions.
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Old 12th January 2018, 05:33 AM   #146
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
İsa= Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua, and Isaiah
You forgot Yul Brynner.
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Old 12th January 2018, 05:49 AM   #147
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
atheist missionaries.
Yeah, those are mythical entities along the lines of fairies, leprechauns, unicorns and gods.
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Atheist missionaries. How about those buddhist imams, agnostic messiahs and creationist scientists?
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Old 12th January 2018, 07:15 AM   #149
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
You missionaries can not do anything but refuge in translation mistakes

The true translation is:

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

Contrary to the assertion that the sun traced a vicious circle about the earth or that it was stationary, the 38th verse of the sura “Ya-Seen” stated correctly that it moved on to its destination. As in other subjects, in this one also the Quran is the source that gave a correct account of the sun’s motion.
Trash ! utter trash. It should be obvious to a brain dead mule that the Quran is saying the sun orbits the earth.

You probably know this and you are as big a liar as the Imams that make false claims that the Quran says the sun orbits the galaxy.
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Old 12th January 2018, 07:19 AM   #150
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They certainly should be. The gibberings of superstitious bronze age Arab goat herders should have no part in the lives of anyone in the 21st century other than quaint historical interest.
"Should." "should."

While I am certain that the more evangelical atheists "wish" that were so, Islam and Christianity clearly and indisputably are integral to modern civilization.

Jesus lived under the Roman Empire Mohamed was an international trader, neither was a goat herder nor during the "bronze age." I get it is easier to issue insults than address the facts, I guess.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Islam and Christianity clearly and indisputably are integral to modern civilization.
Like the monsters of id are to human psyche and the colon is to human body.

Clearly and indisputably (to add the embellishments you're so fond of)
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Like the monsters of id are to human psyche and the colon is to human body.

Clearly and indisputably (to add the embellishments you're so fond of)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet

solid analysis...
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
"Should." "should."

While I am certain that the more evangelical atheists "wish" that were so, Islam and Christianity clearly and indisputably are integral to modern civilization.........
I know very well that you understood what I wrote. They ARE important to modern civilisation. They shouldn't be.
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I know very well that you understood what I wrote. They ARE important to modern civilisation. They shouldn't be.
Indeed I absolutely 100% knew that you were agreeing with me. I was also acknowledging your belief that they 'should' not be.

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What a load. It seems allah is just as inept and useless as the judeo-christian god thing.
Not surprising, since Mohammed plagiarized heavily from Judaism and Christianity.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Indeed I absolutely 100% knew that you were agreeing with me. I was also acknowledging your belief that they 'should' not be.......
Perhaps as we are in such perfect harmony now you'll also acknowledge that A/ religion is much more important in some parts of the world than in others ( USA compared with Europe, for example), and B/ you want christianity to be more important than it currently is.

It goes without saying that I want all religions to have no importance whatever, but don't much mind the remnant level of importance they have here in western Europe.
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You probably know this and you are as big a liar as the Imams that make false claims that the Quran says the sun orbits the galaxy.
Quran says the Sun orbists the galaxy.

We're telling the truth.

You are liars.

Many of you already do this just for money.

You have to lie. Or you can't get your wages.

Even if most of you leave Christianity, they have to hide it.

Lies and infidelity are your profession.

This is your job.

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
See. I reminded you of your teen age.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Quran says the Sun orbists the galaxy.

We're telling the truth.

You are liars.

Many of you already do this just for money.

You have to lie. Or you can't get your wages.

Even if most of you leave Christianity, they have to hide it.

Lies and infidelity are your profession.

This is your job.
Well, that seems like a fairly clear claim and the support for it must be unbelievably easy to locate:

Your claim: Quran says the Sun orbists (sic) the galaxy.


Please site the Chapter and Verse upon which you are relying
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
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Many of you already do this just for money.
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People get paid for not believing in religious texts? Cool. Who pays them?
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