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Old 8th February 2018, 06:16 PM   #201
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More about the flush hamster...

Originally Posted by DailyMail
She bought the adorable rodent after developing a large but benign growth in her neck last year.

'She was so loving. It was like she knew I needed somebody,' said Aldecosea, a six-feet tall volleyball star...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-said-fly.html
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Old 8th February 2018, 07:03 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
She claims that an employee told her she should flush the hamster down a toilet. While that's possible (some people are really dumb), I can't help but suspect she's lying.

For the nothing it's worth, here's how I would imagine the conversation going down if the employee had any sense at all:

Employee: We can't let you on the plane with your hamster.
<snipped argument about emotional support>
Hamster Fan: Then what am I supposed to do with him?
Employee: That's up to you, but you can't get on the plane with your pet.
Hamster Fan: <flush> Okay, I'm ready to board. Sue...I mean see you later!

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if she bought the hamster specifically to set up this exact situation.
I agree. And flushing it is such a shame. Is it allowed to post recipes?

The description in that article gives me yet another idea:
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The U.S. Transportation Safety Administration has no problem with carry-on hamsters. “Hamsters are welcome in our checkpoint. Their container would typically go through the X-ray while the owner would hold the hamster as the passenger walks through the metal detector so the creature is not subjected to radiation,” according to TSA spokeswoman Sari Koshetz.
How much nitroglycerine can you feed a hamster that it still survives for a couple of hours?
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I'm fine with allowing any pet that fits in a carrier under the seat to fly as a carry-on. As long as it stays in the carrier. No service animal rating required.
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Old 8th February 2018, 07:27 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I'm fine with allowing any pet that fits in a carrier under the seat to fly as a carry-on. As long as it stays in the carrier. No service animal rating required.
I'll go sit next to you with my pet skunk.
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Old 8th February 2018, 07:29 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
More about the flush hamster...
The hamster is allegedly flushed, its owner hopes to become flush.
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Old 8th February 2018, 07:37 PM   #206
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I don't know what airlines you guys have been flying; but while I know airlines continue to include the "under the seat in front of you" as part of their carry-on spiel, I'm pretty sure it's purely vestigial language. There's no useful room to fit anything under the average airline seat.

A couple of years back I was able to work and jam a gym bag loosely packed with a few clothes and some snackage under one; but I was unable to retrieve the bag during flight - my feet took up all of the space I needed to pull it back into. I had to wait until after landing, actually until after the other passengers in my row had left, to pry the bag out.
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Old 8th February 2018, 08:02 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by ddt View Post
I agree. And flushing it is such a shame. Is it allowed to post recipes?

The description in that article gives me yet another idea:

How much nitroglycerine can you feed a hamster that it still survives for a couple of hours?
It's not the Nitro that the problem, it's the detonator...

In all seriousness, the question of different types of explosives inserted into various creatures has been investigated, and anything sensitive enough to detonate without an actual detonator would likely be detonated by the animals movements.
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Old 8th February 2018, 08:46 PM   #208
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Spirit Airlines? Where anything you carry on is an extra fee?
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Old 9th February 2018, 03:34 AM   #209
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Bad info from Spirit Air led me to flush pet hamster down airport toilet, student says



She is now considering suing Spirit Air.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...198971069.html
Animal cruelty charges against the owner would seem appropriate, along with a prohibition from profiting from such a vile act. If the airline are found to have any culpability maybe punitive damages could be paid to an animal welfare charity?
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Old 9th February 2018, 06:33 AM   #210
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Animal cruelty charges against the owner would seem appropriate, along with a prohibition from profiting from such a vile act. If the airline are found to have any culpability maybe punitive damages could be paid to an animal welfare charity?
Meh. It's a hamster.
People kill mice in more horrible ways on a daily basis.
Sticky traps? Awful way to go.
Or the spring traps when they don't snap the neck, and you find the mouse alive?
I typically use a sudden deceleration technique. I have a lot of mice where I live.
Poisoning? I'm sure that's awful.

Considering her circumstances, if she was going to miss her flight and no one would take the hamster, euthanizing by flush isn't that bad an option.
I like it better than setting it free, where it will definitely die more horrible death.

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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Ever heard a peacock? They are LOUD. If this started squawking in an enclosed aircraft it would be painful.
The mentioned peacock is obviously in a state of emotional distress and its human owner is doing nothing to alleviate the animal's discomfort. Poor peacock. The bird needs to drop its uncaring owner and apply for a genuine, certified emotional-support human.
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Old 9th February 2018, 01:38 PM   #212
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Re: Lawsuit

The solution here is so simple. Just get a Spirit employee to sternly tell the young lady/child NOT to sue.
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Old 9th February 2018, 02:21 PM   #213
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
I don't know what airlines you guys have been flying; but while I know airlines continue to include the "under the seat in front of you" as part of their carry-on spiel, I'm pretty sure it's purely vestigial language. There's no useful room to fit anything under the average airline seat.

A couple of years back I was able to work and jam a gym bag loosely packed with a few clothes and some snackage under one; but I was unable to retrieve the bag during flight - my feet took up all of the space I needed to pull it back into. I had to wait until after landing, actually until after the other passengers in my row had left, to pry the bag out.
I am old enough to remember when there was room enough under the seat in front to put a real piece of carry on luggage and still have space for one's feet. Now there isn't even enough room for my feet and perhaps an empty paper bag. And as you noted, god help you if you need or drop anything on the floor- it is impossible to reach down to the floor near one's feet (due to the proximity of the seat back in front of you) unless you ask everyone else in the row to stand up and move aside. Just tying one's shoe laces if undone requires contortions.

But hell, I remember when flying was a fun adventure. There was room to walk around the plane or even to stand out of the way of others. Two people could pass one another in the aisle. Why, there were even deli buffets in the back of coach on some red eye flights.... Enough- hey- you kids- get off my lawn!
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Old 22nd February 2018, 08:27 PM   #214
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Emotional support dog bites child on Southwest flight

Originally Posted by USA Today
A child was bitten by an emotional support dog on a Southwest Airlines plane in Phoenix late Wednesday, adding to the debate about the risks of an increasing number of in-flight animals.

The teeth of the dog scraped the child's forehead as the passenger approached it after boarding a flight bound for Portland, Ore., according to Southwest...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ines/362759002
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Old 23rd February 2018, 01:03 AM   #215
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Emotional support dog bites child on Southwest flight

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ines/362759002
And the incident attracted an ignorant comment or two on Twitter:

Some Twitter users replied that the child should have not approached the medium-sized dog.

"When kids are touching service dogs, it may be time for parents to wise up,'' one post said.
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Old 23rd February 2018, 01:59 AM   #216
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What does "approach" mean?
There's not exactly much space on a plane to get passed people.

And this was not a service dog, otherwise it would have been called a service dog.
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And the incident attracted an ignorant comment or two on Twitter:

Some Twitter users replied that the child should have not approached the medium-sized dog.

"When kids are touching service dogs, it may be time for parents to wise up,'' one post said.
It's not too much to expect that dogs allowed to be "service animals" would be at least well trained enough not to bite people. I've never seen a seeing eye dog evince the slightest hostility when approached by a stranger. Granted, people should know not to disturb such animals while they're working, but kids love petting doggies and it can be tough stopping them before they try.
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Old 24th February 2018, 10:53 PM   #218
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Here's an alternative explanation.

Child says: "Cuddle Doggie!" and grabs the dog from behind in a bear hug.

The dog quickly moves its head, to see what is happening, and the child receives a scratch, not a bite, to the forehead.

(I've lost count of how many times I've been clonked by my dogs when they quickly turn their heads.)

A lot of kids don't understand that dogs are animals, they seem to treat them as cuddly toys.

A small child asked if she could "pat" one of my dogs, and then picked her up and ran back to her parents! I'm very glad that Laika didn't panic under those circumstances.
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Here's an alternative explanation.

Child says: "Cuddle Doggie!" and grabs the dog from behind in a bear hug.

The dog quickly moves its head, to see what is happening, and the child receives a scratch, not a bite, to the forehead.
Possible, I suppose, but hard to picture on a plane, what with the seating arrangements and with little space in the aisles.
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Spirit Airlines? Where anything you carry on is an extra fee?
The only thing complimentary on Spirit Airlines is the undisguised contempt for their customers.
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Here's an alternative explanation.

Child says: "Cuddle Doggie!" and grabs the dog from behind in a bear hug.

The dog quickly moves its head, to see what is happening, and the child receives a scratch, not a bite, to the forehead.

(I've lost count of how many times I've been clonked by my dogs when they quickly turn their heads.)....... snip
You're not seriously suggesting this is what might have happened are you?
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You're not seriously suggesting this is what might have happened are you?
That scenario was my first thought as well. I see it as quite possible.
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Old 25th February 2018, 02:18 PM   #223
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That scenario was my first thought as well. I see it as quite possible.
Something similar occurred to me as a possibility too. My dog spent part of our afternoon at the pub today running away from children who wanted to pester him.
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Something similar occurred to me as a possibility too. My dog spent part of our afternoon at the pub today running away from children who wanted to pester him.
But on a plane? There's precious little space on a plane for a kid to 'grab the dog from behind'. Where would that happen? If the dog and owner were in an aisle seat and the kid was walking down the aisle then yes, just about, maybe.

Maybe I need to travel on more spacious planes
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But on a plane? There's precious little space on a plane for a kid to 'grab the dog from behind'. Where would that happen? If the dog and owner were in an aisle seat and the kid was walking down the aisle then yes, just about, maybe.

Maybe I need to travel on more spacious planes
The owner could have been in an aisle seat, they might have put the dog in the aisle, some people let their kids run around the aisles, maybe the dog owner was in the seat next to the child. Dog and child obviously did come into contact somehow whatever happened.
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I don't know what airlines you guys have been flying; but while I know airlines continue to include the "under the seat in front of you" as part of their carry-on spiel, I'm pretty sure it's purely vestigial language. There's no useful room to fit anything under the average airline seat.
I normally fly United, EVA, Sun Country, Delta and Alaska. I normally take a small backpack like this one; https://www.adidas.com/us/stadium-ii...ck/CJ0344.html It fits under the set in front of me as long as it's not packed very full.

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Ban all non-human animals from boarding a plane. Make exceptions for dogs that are actually necessary for ones day to day activities, such as dogs for the blind, and that's it. No PTSD, no mice, no exceptions. We decide on a list and stick to it. The end.

Somehow people managed to fly for decades without "emotional support animals". If you need help just shout "Is there a psychologist on the plane?!"

HOWEVER, I would trade all of that for a "no children" policy in a heartbeat. It isn't the animals that bother me, it's the victim/idiot/douchey person that needs the duck on board that is irritating. Too many victims in this country.
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Ban all non-human animals from boarding a plane. Make exceptions for dogs that are actually necessary for ones day to day activities, such as dogs for the blind, and that's it. No PTSD, no mice, no exceptions. We decide on a list and stick to it. The end.

Somehow people managed to fly for decades without "emotional support animals". If you need help just shout "Is there a psychologist on the plane?!"
And again I have to stress there is zero chance of this happening.

This is not a legal battle. The fact that the law doesn't recognize "emotional support animals" as a thing, the fact that even the Americans with Disabilities Act (and similar laws in other countries) allows for even an actual legit service animal to be removed if the service animal is violent, ill mannered, or otherwise poses a threat, the fact that the only actual legit service animals are dogs and in a few rare cases ponies, the fact that service animals require actual professional training in order to perform an actual specific function...none of that matters in the slightest.

This... isn't... a... legal... battle. The legal battle is already settled. It is, across the board, 100% a battle of public relations damage control and there is zero way, zero, that in 2018 America the big evil corporation that is already on people's radar for poor customer service and booting people off flights is going to win in a public relations battle with the poor widdle disabled person and their adorable support giant anteater.

Disabled person + animals versus Big Evil Soulless Corporation. Vegas wouldn't even give you odds on that.
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Two of those big, evil corporations have already restricted what 'emotional support animals' are allowed on flights. I have a feeling most of the flying public is not entirely on the side of the folks who think a peacock can truly be an 'emotional support animal', especially on the flight they've bought a ticket for.
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Ban all non-human animals from boarding a plane. Make exceptions for dogs that are actually necessary for ones day to day activities, such as dogs for the blind, and that's it. No PTSD, no mice, no exceptions. We decide on a list and stick to it. The end.

Somehow people managed to fly for decades without "emotional support animals". If you need help just shout "Is there a psychologist on the plane?!"

HOWEVER, I would trade all of that for a "no children" policy in a heartbeat. It isn't the animals that bother me, it's the victim/idiot/douchey person that needs the duck on board that is irritating. Too many victims in this country.
Nothing there I disagree with. And that's speaking as someone who takes their dog pretty much everywhere. If I can't take him he gets left at home (or with someone depending on for how long) or I don't go. It ain't rocket surgery.
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Originally Posted by ABC 15 News
Passenger Todd Rice posted the incident on Twitter, with a photo of the dog on the plane. He told ABC News that the girl tried to pet the animal.
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-ph...g-to-passenger
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Ban all non-human animals from boarding a plane. Make exceptions for dogs that are actually necessary for ones day to day activities, such as dogs for the blind, and that's it. No PTSD, no mice, no exceptions. We decide on a list and stick to it. The end.

Somehow people managed to fly for decades without "emotional support animals". If you need help just shout "Is there a psychologist on the plane?!"

HOWEVER, I would trade all of that for a "no children" policy in a heartbeat. It isn't the animals that bother me, it's the victim/idiot/douchey person that needs the duck on board that is irritating. Too many victims in this country.
So you need some kind of "space" that you feel is "safe" from such disturbing things?
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American Airlines bans insects, hedgehogs and goats as emotional support animals

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I read somewhere that a woman with a duck was denied boarding. I honestly can't imagine how a duck would be comforting unless I was eating it.
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Fortunately my emotional support animal is a tapeworm.
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I read somewhere that a woman with a duck was denied boarding. I honestly can't imagine how a duck would be comforting unless I was eating it.
I'd rather have a flight of nothing but ducks then that peacock that one woman was trying to get on the flight as her support animal.
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I need my emotional support cobra because I always seem to get sat next to really tense, scared people....
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'd rather have a flight of nothing but ducks then that peacock that one woman was trying to get on the flight as her support animal.
I'd rather have the peacock than her on the flight, I'm sure that would also be a relief for the peacock!
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Good. I can still carry both my emotional support skunk and sydney funnel web spider.
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Originally Posted by Hungry81 View Post
Good. I can still carry both my emotional support skunk and sydney funnel web spider.
Sorry, spiders are also banned.
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