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Old 9th May 2018, 08:57 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
The Trump defenders here provide a most useful service. They keep front and center for our awareness (and delectation) the gyrations, deflections and cognitive dissonance that tribe is prone to in their unwillingness to face reality. This serves to remind to not lose sight of the forces at work striving to undermine the rule of law in service of the maintenance of their crooked Liar in Chief.

And the 'contrarian' viewpoint does keep things interesting--a plus.
The same goes for your side as President Donald J Trump continues to dismantle the leftist agenda. We are getting exactly what we want from an imperfect person. .
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Old 9th May 2018, 08:57 PM   #122
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I know.
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Old 9th May 2018, 08:58 PM   #123
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Okay, let me just try this:

This is the form motion you referenced. It states:


This is the ethics complaint form you cited. It is titled "The State Bar of California" and instructs that the complainant send it to the Office of the Chief Trial Counsel of the State Bar of California.

The state bar is not a disciplinary proceeding in state or federal court. It's entirely internal to the Bar Association. Furthermore, simply having a complaint lodged against him or her does not put an attorney out of good standing.

One of either two things needs to occur: 1) the Bar Association, after investigation and a hearing, declares the member not to be in good standing; or 2) the censure action is brought in an actual real court (usually the attorney sues the bar after receiving discipline).

You are wrong.

I say this not just as a lawyer. I say this not just as a matrimonial attorney (who have high ethics complaint rates compared to other practitioners). I say this not just as a matrimonial attorney who has had former clients file ethics complaints (none of which were actioned). I say this not just as an attorney who has applied to practice pro hac vice in federal court. I say this not just as an attorney who has applied for such status in the Southern District of New York. I say it as an attorney who was admitted pro hac vice by the SDNY while I had an ethics complaint open against me with the state bar.

There is nothing involved in this process that you have in any way gotten right. it would have been closer to the truth if you'd let a cat walk across your keyboard and just posted that.
Thanks for posting that, it really helps to clarify things quite a bit! You know what would else help to clarify things quite a bit, the following quotes from the California Supreme Court:

Quote:
The State Bar Court exercises no judicial power, but rather makes recommendations to this court, which then undertakes an independent determination of the law and the facts, exercises its inherent jurisdiction over attorney discipline, and enters the first and only disciplinary order.
The California Supreme Court continues:

Quote:
Although disciplinary proceedings in the State Bar Court include quasi-judicial evidentiary hearings and decisions rendered by official adjudicators, the State Bar Court is not an ordinary administrative agency. [2] "[The State Bar Court] is not an administrative board in the ordinary sense of the phrase. It is sui generis.... [] ... [i]n matters of discipline and disbarment, the State Bar [Court] is but an arm of this court, and ... this court retains its power to control any such disciplinary proceeding at any step. [Citation.]" (Brotsky v. State Bar (1962) 57 Cal.2d 287, 300-301 [19 Cal.Rptr. 153, 368 P.2d 697, 94 A.L.R.2d 1310]; see also In re Attorney Discipline System, supra, 19 Cal.4th at p. 599 [State Bar is not in the same class as state administrative agencies placed within the executive branch].)
The case is called In Re Rose. 22 Cal.4th 2000

Yet you said: "One of either two things needs to occur: 1) the Bar Association, after investigation and a hearing, declares the member not to be in good standing; or 2) the censure action is brought in an actual real court (usually the attorney sues the bar after receiving discipline)." And the California Supreme Court said that IT "enters the first and only disciplinary order." It seems that what you just claimed was directly inconsistent with the California Supreme Court's holdings quoted above, and therefore, it appears that I am the one who is correct.

Of course, perhaps the California Supreme Court had cats walking across their keyboards when they wrote In Re Rose?
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Old 9th May 2018, 09:07 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
sorry.
No problem. I sometimes like to respect his sarcasm. Cain is so subtle and so good at this.
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Old 9th May 2018, 09:09 PM   #125
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The same goes for your side as President Donald J Trump continues to dismantle the leftist agenda. We are getting exactly what we want from an imperfect person. .
A sleazoid stealing everything that isn't nailed down.
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Old 9th May 2018, 09:11 PM   #126
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Honestly, that was the only reference I could think of.
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Old 9th May 2018, 09:16 PM   #127
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The only thing amazing is how your side still cant figure how and why its been defeated so badly.
So badly? By a plus 3 million votes so badly?

No it's people who thinks he is on their side when he clearly isn't. The guy who said he was going to drain the swamp and yet spends all his time filling it.

Trump is a master at one thing and one thing only, headline porn. He gets the press to chase his absurdities jumping from one thing to the next. While all the time he is lining his pockets and destroying the republic.
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Old 9th May 2018, 09:38 PM   #128
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Okay, let me just try this:

"Created by the Legislature in 1927, the State Bar is an arm of the California Supreme Court, protecting the public by licensing and regulating attorneys."

That is from the State Bar of California's own website, which I hope is cats on keyboard free!
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Old 9th May 2018, 10:19 PM   #129
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In the end, arguing minutiae over the potential illegality of Avenetti's obtaining info on Essential Consultants, L.L.C. is moot because Mueller et al have had this info for several months at least, and have been acting on it. If anything, the early publication of this damaging Intel should sooner help the crooks get their lies straight.

In the public arena, Avenatti is filling the role of the deplorably derelict House investigation committee. The sycophantic, partisan, boot-licking majority (Rs) prematurely terminated their sham 'investigation' so transparently in service of the Liar in Chief. At least now we have, in good time, additional insight into the degraded, fetid cesspool that is the current White House and its toadying Congressional menagerie, further stoking the fervor of those who will bring on a crashing blue tsunami this November.
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Old 9th May 2018, 10:47 PM   #130
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There will be hell to pay if Michael Cohen was taking this money without Trump's knowledge. Cohen was essentially stealing from Trump. Trump's the main victim, but the media will spin it another way.
This sarcasm has a whole different truth in it than intended. Cohen took a million+ out of the slush fund and put it in his private account. It could very well be that the con was being conned. Shawshank Redemption style?
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
From wapo. Enjoy the music while you read up on the article I have linked several times in this thread.
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Foolmewunz it’s in this one too.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/09/av...-cohen-israel/

Do try and keep up please!
Y'all are so cute in your ignorance. Treasury is investigating a leak. They are not investigating Avenatti.

Perhaps you could, either of you, link to a statement from the U.S. Department of the Treasury stating that they are investigating Avenatti. Or just admit that you chose to word it that way because it sounds so much more dramatic.
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Old 9th May 2018, 11:26 PM   #132
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
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In the public arena, Avenatti is filling the role of the deplorably derelict House investigation committee. The sycophantic, partisan, boot-licking majority (Rs) prematurely terminated their sham 'investigation' so transparently in service of the Liar in Chief. At least now we have, in good time, additional insight into the degraded, fetid cesspool that is the current White House and its toadying Congressional menagerie, further stoking the fervor of those who will bring on a crashing blue tsunami this November.
Such a good point, deserves repeating.

And I nomed it.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
This sarcasm has a whole different truth in it than intended. Cohen took a million+ out of the slush fund and put it in his private account. It could very well be that the con was being conned. Shawshank Redemption style?
Hopefully he did the honorable thing and used the money as a down payment on a Trump property.
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Hopefully he did the honorable thing and used the money as a down payment on a Trump property.


I suspect the money trail will indeed lead to some Trump property where laundered money goes before finding its way into Trump's pockets.

But you still have to wonder if Cohen was siphoning off more than a bit.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post


I suspect the money trail will indeed lead to some Trump property where laundered money goes before finding its way into Trump's pockets.

But you still have to wonder if Cohen was siphoning off more than a bit.

IIRC someone already said in one of these kinds of threads that (s)he'd be disappointed to find that Donald Trump's people hadn't been robbing him blind for decades.
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The actual evidence of wrongdoing is the fact that Avenatti is under investigation by the Treasury department (well that and the whole tax fraud thing.)
If you think that being under investigation is evidence of wrongdoing, then I've got some bad news for you about your favourites...
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Old 10th May 2018, 01:34 AM   #137
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https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/...82779260194825

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WOW. Novartis source tells @statnews Cohen came to them promising "access to not just Trump, but also the circle around him … we were hiring him as a lobbyist.”
https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/...90560428052480

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Cohen did not register as a lobbyist, and it is a federal crime to "knowingly and corruptly fails to comply with" the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995.
Link to source in first tweet.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I'm amazed with the cognitive dissonance across the board on so many issues JFK assassination, 911, evolution, flat earth, religion, but I am stunned by the depth and pervasiveness with Trump. Never in my life have I experienced so obvious a liar, cheat and con-man. And never have I seen so many people in denial.

It's not like Trump is a slick, polished or persuasive. He's nonsensical, inarticulate, amazingly self-centered. Basically a moron in a suit and tie.

??????? How is this possible?
"Us vs them" tribalism depends only on there being an other to hate. Facts, logic, or ethics have absolutely nothing to do with it. The dangers of growth based on massive deficit spending, in turn dependent on the dollar as reserve currency, and the rapidly weakening support for the dollar as such, frankly, is waaay over the heads of this crowd.

By the way, the cash is coming in (for now), the international bullying is seeming to bear fruit (for now), meaning the voting public is being paid off and ego-stroked, so Trump may very well succeed at keeping and enhancing his power in 2020. In fact, he may very well beat Mueller and pound the rule of law into submission, the level of open support for fascism in America now being so high in and out of Congress and SCOTUS. Nothing can protect democracy from voter madness on this scale, a cancer that has only grown since 1865.

My only complaint: Hurry up already with the name and flag changes to CSA and its Stars and Bars.

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Back to Stormy and her lawyer: Ironically, the class act in all this.
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Thanks for posting that, it really helps to clarify things quite a bit! You know what would else help to clarify things quite a bit, the following quotes from the California Supreme Court:



The California Supreme Court continues:



The case is called In Re Rose. 22 Cal.4th 2000

The court case you cite says exactly what I said, There is first a determination by the State Bar's office. Only then is an adverse decision brought to the state court to be confirmed.

You literally just posted a case that agrees with me.

There must be a feral cat somewhere that you can ask for help. You're just doing a terrible job on your own.
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Avenatti on his accuracy on Twitter:

Hey @IngrahamAngle - stop embarrassing yourself. Out off of approximately $3 million worth of transactions we listed, you claim we are wrong on less than $25,000 and thus we are inaccurate? So we are only 99.0% right? What a joke.
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IIRC someone already said in one of these kinds of threads that (s)he'd be disappointed to find that Donald Trump's people hadn't been robbing him blind for decades.
I believe that was me.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Avenatti on his accuracy on Twitter:

Hey @IngrahamAngle - stop embarrassing yourself. Out off of approximately $3 million worth of transactions we listed, you claim we are wrong on less than $25,000 and thus we are inaccurate? So we are only 99.0% right? What a joke.
What is the threshold for accuracy?
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
What is the threshold for accuracy?
In this instance, 99.17%
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The court case you cite says exactly what I said, There is first a determination by the State Bar's office. Only then is an adverse decision brought to the state court to be confirmed.

You literally just posted a case that agrees with me.

There must be a feral cat somewhere that you can ask for help. You're just doing a terrible job on your own.
Actually you claimed that "The state bar is not a disciplinary proceeding in state or federal court. It's entirely internal to the Bar Association." and in response completely ignored my two citations explicitly stating it was an arm of the California Supreme Court. To the extent that the above quoted is supposed to be a summary of the disciplinary process in California it is not accurate as stated in detail in In Re Rose.

Now to the larger point, to suggest that a lawyer does not have to disclose pending ethics investigations in the State Bar of California because of a technical (and completely wrong interpretation) of the procedure is absolutely specious.

If anyone needs further help understanding the procedure, I suggest that you ask a Big Dog.
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Avenatti is in complete ass covering mode. He claims his percentage was high, but given that he was at best 1 out of 4 in identifying the correct Michael Cohen in his purloined documents, that is not very high at all.

Oh well, scumbags gonna scum.
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Getting your news from logger, now? Please show the class where Avenatti is under Treasury Dept. investigation.

Wait....! Let me cue up "Mr. Bojangles" so we can all enjoy the tap dance.
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From wapo. Enjoy the music while you read up on the article I have linked several times in this thread.
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Y'all are so cute in your ignorance. Treasury is investigating a leak. They are not investigating Avenatti.

Perhaps you could, either of you, link to a statement from the U.S. Department of the Treasury stating that they are investigating Avenatti. Or just admit that you chose to word it that way because it sounds so much more dramatic.
Just to wrap this up, since we all know TBD is going to ignore it ...

From the article linked:
It is not uncommon for journalists, lawyers and others in the public eye to receive unauthorized leaks of sensitive information, and there is nothing improper in receiving such information

What exactly does TBD claim Treasury Dept. investigation of Avenatti is for ?

We will all be waiting with bated breath...
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Avenatti is in complete ass covering mode. He claims his percentage was high, but given that he was at best 1 out of 4 in identifying the correct Michael Cohen in his purloined documents, that is not very high at all.

Oh well, scumbags gonna scum.
I'm sure you are quite familiar with that mode. IE see my post above.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Avenatti is in complete ass covering mode. He claims his percentage was high, but given that he was at best 1 out of 4 in identifying the correct Michael Cohen in his purloined documents, that is not very high at all.

Oh well, scumbags gonna scum.
Why is that better than a dollar basis? And why is 1 in 4 unacceptable anyway?
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What is the threshold for accuracy?
In this case? Getting the Stormy payment and the Russian money right is sufficient. If a perfectly accurate accounting of the money flowing into and out of that account made him look any better Cohen would have leaked it himself, so we know it only gets worse the more accurate it becomes.
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In this case? Getting the Stormy payment and the Russian money right is sufficient. If a perfectly accurate accounting of the money flowing into and out of that account made him look any better Cohen would have leaked it himself, so we know it only gets worse the more accurate it becomes.
Not if you are the three people he improperly exposed, or the banks whose financial information he is improperly using, or Mueller for that matter.

The whole thing was a public relations grandstanding event by a publicity thirsty lawyer with questionable ethics. Mueller has all the information that someone stole and gave to Avenatti, so other than evidence that Avenatti is reckless and a self promoting showman, nothing was actually accomplished.
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Old 10th May 2018, 07:02 AM   #151
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Not if you are the three people he improperly exposed, or the banks whose financial information he is improperly using, or Mueller for that matter.

The whole thing was a public relations grandstanding event by a publicity thirsty lawyer with questionable ethics. Mueller has all the information that someone stole and gave to Avenatti, so other than evidence that Avenatti is reckless and a self promoting showman, nothing was actually accomplished.
What makes it improper?
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Old 10th May 2018, 07:13 AM   #152
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Now Avenatti has Cohen's(?) emails.
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Old 10th May 2018, 07:23 AM   #153
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Wow, what an amazing cognitive dissonance train wreck by Trump supporters.


Shooting on 5th Avenue, coming right up...
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Old 10th May 2018, 07:28 AM   #154
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Cohen was paid more than 8 times more than Novartis' other lobbyists, despite doing "zero work"
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Old 10th May 2018, 07:30 AM   #155
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What makes it improper?
Follow up....what does it matter if it was improper?
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Old 10th May 2018, 07:56 AM   #156
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See? That shows just how smart Cohen is... able to get paid for doing very little. He's playing 4D chess with everyone!

/trumpism


Seriously... is the swamp drained yet?
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Not if you are the three people he improperly exposed, or the banks whose financial information he is improperly using, or Mueller for that matter.

The whole thing was a public relations grandstanding event by a publicity thirsty lawyer with questionable ethics. Mueller has all the information that someone stole and gave to Avenatti, so other than evidence that Avenatti is reckless and a self promoting showman, nothing was actually accomplished.
LOL, nope, no witches here, either.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Three ways, not two, to fund an operation:

1. Equity - Oh look, no Ruskies! GOP fans cry innocent.
2. Debt - Oh look, no Ruskies! GOP fans cry innocent.
...
3. Sales - Oh look, fake invoices to launder money or bribe, or both. [belly-button deep dive silence]

Fox&Friends were supposed to be business-savvy and know the ins and outs of law and order, calling out every flaw in all things (dem). Oops.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Not if you are the three people he improperly exposed, or the banks whose financial information he is improperly using, or Mueller for that matter.

The whole thing was a public relations grandstanding event by a publicity thirsty lawyer with questionable ethics. Mueller has all the information that someone stole and gave to Avenatti, so other than evidence that Avenatti is reckless and a self promoting showman, nothing was actually accomplished.
Bless your heart. Your concern for poor Mr. Mueller and his investigation is touching.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Actually you claimed that "The state bar is not a disciplinary proceeding in state or federal court. It's entirely internal to the Bar Association." and in response completely ignored my two citations explicitly stating it was an arm of the California Supreme Court. To the extent that the above quoted is supposed to be a summary of the disciplinary process in California it is not accurate as stated in detail in In Re Rose.

Now to the larger point, to suggest that a lawyer does not have to disclose pending ethics investigations in the State Bar of California because of a technical (and completely wrong interpretation) of the procedure is absolutely specious.

If anyone needs further help understanding the procedure, I suggest that you ask a Big Dog.
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