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Old 29th June 2018, 11:48 AM   #161
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$12.6 doesn't seem like a lot. Certainly not if you can buy whisky, mustard, toilet paper, a washing machine, a motorboat, a deck of cards, and a bottle of ketchup with it.
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Old 29th June 2018, 11:48 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Well I suppose there is a difference between a Presidential election year (where the nominees might change) and a mid-term election year (where those responsible for confirming the nomination might change) if someone was minded to split hairs
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I thought the difference was significant, and kinda being glossed over.

On Wednesday’s show, which I just listened to, Rachel Maddow barely mentioned the difference in “election years”, if she mentioned it at all.

The congressional elections do not affect the person making the nomination. They do affect the “advice and consent” of the congress, so there’s some logic/validity to the comparison, but it still seems quite different from a presidential election year.

None of which excuses the sleaziness of the Republicans for blocking Garland.
When it was blatantly obvious that it was an incredibly petty political ploy that McConnell was clearly lying about from the start and everyone paying any attention knew it? No, there there's no significant difference.

Either way, an interesting related question, then, is was Kennedy's son, who worked for Deutsche Bank and loaned Trump well over a billion, involved in the Bank's laundering of Russian money?
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Old 29th June 2018, 11:51 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
I thought the difference was significant, and kinda being glossed over.

On Wednesday’s show, which I just listened to, Rachel Maddow barely mentioned the difference in “election years”, if she mentioned it at all.

The congressional elections do not affect the person making the nomination. They do affect the “advice and consent” of the congress, so there’s some logic/validity to the comparison, but it still seems quite different from a presidential election year.

None of which excuses the sleaziness of the Republicans for blocking Garland.
McConnell's excuse was fake the first time around. The idea there was ever any actual principle behind it is absurd.
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Old 29th June 2018, 11:58 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
McConnell's excuse was fake the first time around. The idea there was ever any actual principle behind it is absurd.
Yep.

I assume you can't just flat call someone a conniving liar on the senate floor...but I'm no senator, and McConnell is a conniving liar.
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Old 29th June 2018, 11:59 AM   #165
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If that is where Mueller's investigation is going, GOP legislators who still have half a brain are going to have a dilemma: pretend they believe it's all a Peter Strzok orchestrated conspiracy to get Trump, or side with the sane half of the Senate.
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Old 29th June 2018, 12:01 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Canada has just announced retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. on $12.6 worth of goods.

These include whiskies, mustard, toilet paper, washing machines, motorboats, playing cards ketchup, and more.

They say, "We will not back down!"
$12.6 is only a twelve pack of beers, so no big deal....
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Old 29th June 2018, 01:55 PM   #167
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Now Trump apparently wants to withdraw from the WTO.





Isolated from the world.
That being isolated from the rest of the world is going to be very bad for business seems to be beyond Trump's understanding.
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Old 29th June 2018, 02:24 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Canada has just announced retaliatory tariffs against the U.S. on $12.6 worth of goods.

These include whiskies, mustard, toilet paper, washing machines, motorboats, playing cards ketchup, and more.

They say, "We will not back down!"

Gotta be fake.

Everybody knows they don't use ketchup in Canada. They have poutine.
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Old 29th June 2018, 02:58 PM   #169
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This is what happens when your president if the accidental issue from homosexual congress.
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Old 29th June 2018, 03:01 PM   #170
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McConnell's excuse was fake the first time around. The idea there was ever any actual principle behind it is absurd.
Quite. It was utterly brazan.
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Old 29th June 2018, 11:13 PM   #171
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Hmm. I'm linking a lot to the Daily Kos these days. Probably because there have been a number of good points and/or interesting facts mixed in. For example,

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But the issue, and the answer, is different from what it is reported. The simple fact is that in the modern era Republicans have never confirmed a Supreme Court justice nominated by a Democratic President. Contrary to popular belief, there has never been a bipartisan “norm” that Presidents get deference in appointing Supreme Court justices — that has been a Democratic “norm” under Republican Presidents, but that has never been reciprocated by Republicans.

I wrote about this previously. The last time a Republican Senate confirmed a Democratic President’s Supreme Court nomination was 1895 — which was 123 years ago (and involved a Republican party with little connection to today’s party).
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Old 30th June 2018, 04:16 AM   #172
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The saga continues:
Secret Service at my door. I guess my old friend Donald wants to continue this. Stay tuned.
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Old 30th June 2018, 05:12 AM   #173
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Trump Tweets

"Every time I speak of the haters and losers I do so with great love and affection. They cannot help the fact that they were born ********** up!"

It was a few years ago though.
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Old 30th June 2018, 05:15 AM   #174
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Trumps up to date tweets.

"The Democrats are making a strong push to abolish ICE, one of the smartest, toughest and most spirited law enforcement groups of men and women that I have ever seen. I have watched ICE liberate towns from the grasp of MS-13 & clean out the toughest of situations. They are great!"

"To the great and brave men and women of ICE, do not worry or lose your spirit. You are doing a fantastic job of keeping us safe by eradicating the worst criminal elements. So brave! The radical left Dems want you out. Next it will be all police. Zero chance, It will never happen!"

"Just spoke to King Salman of Saudi Arabia and explained to him that, because of the turmoil & disfunction in Iran and Venezuela, I am asking that Saudi Arabia increase oil production, maybe up to 2,000,000 barrels, to make up the difference...Prices to high! He has agreed!"
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Old 30th June 2018, 06:08 AM   #175
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...y-us-officials

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North Korea still secretly enriching uranium, say US officials
Report cites ‘unequivocal evidence they are trying to deceive the US’ in blow to Donald Trump
Still I suppose Trump has got the North Koreans to stop nuclear testing at the mountain site that was no longer suitable for nuclear testing, due to damage caused by previous tests.

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Old 30th June 2018, 06:23 AM   #176
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Trump Tweete.

"I will be making my choice for Justice of the United States Supreme Court on the first Monday after the July 4th Holiday, July 9th!"
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Old 30th June 2018, 06:31 AM   #177
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Trumps up to date tweets.

"The Democrats are making a strong push to abolish ICE, one of the smartest, toughest and most spirited law enforcement groups of men and women that I have ever seen. I have watched ICE liberate towns from the grasp of MS-13 & clean out the toughest of situations. They are great!"
Is that drawn from the same memory hole that resulted in him recalling dancing Muslims on 9/11?
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Is that drawn from the same memory hole that resulted in him recalling dancing Muslims on 9/11?
Trump reminds me a ton of my mother in law.
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Still I suppose Trump has got the North Koreans to stop nuclear testing at the mountain site that was no longer suitable for nuclear testing, due to damage caused by previous tests.

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Kim got what he wanted. trump got what he wanted. Both: aggrandizement.
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Kim got what he wanted. trump got what he wanted. Both: aggrandizement.
To be fair to Kim, he also got US concessions, including the cancellation of a long-running set of US-ROK military exercises. I have no reason to believe that aggrandisement is anything other than a tool for Kim, but one that is very useful in a totalitarian state with a cult of personality.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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"Just spoke to King Salman of Saudi Arabia and explained to him that, because of the turmoil & disfunction in Iran and Venezuela, I am asking that Saudi Arabia increase oil production, maybe up to 2,000,000 barrels, to make up the difference...Prices to high! He has agreed!"
He doesn't realize when S.A. increases production, the price drop halts American production because they would be operating at a loss.
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European Council head Donald Tusk tells EU to prepare for worst case scenarios re the US, and says that Trump is pioneering the doctrine of there being “no friends, only enemies”
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Old 30th June 2018, 09:46 AM   #183
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Intercept: CALLS TO ABOLISH ICE ARE BECOMING MORE MAINSTREAM. IS WASHINGTON READY FOR THE CONVERSATION?
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The argument to shut ICE down revolves around its cultural ecology. The agency has become corrupted with a military mentality that doesn’t respect civilian oversight and has little effective oversight. Once an institution’s culture has metastasized, reforming it can become impossible, with the only solution to abolish it and disperse its various authorities elsewhere.

“What’s happened is as we’ve created ICE and given more and more authority with no accountability to ICE, in my opinion, it’s become a rogue agency,” Jayapal told The Intercept....

Sen. Wyden ... “ICE agents should not be able to take an end run around the constitutional protections that prevent other government agents from searching private homes, vehicles, and businesses without a warrant.”
... nearly 20 ICE agents have warmed to a version of the idea. In a jargony four-page letter sent to Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, some 19 ICE investigators propose that ICE be done away with, and that two distinct entities emerge.
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Is that drawn from the same memory hole that resulted in him recalling dancing Muslims on 9/11?
Yes. No town in the US, to my knowledge, was taken over by MS-13. And we know that ICE is mostly concentrating on finding and catching easy targets - meaning the people who lack that sort of firepower. THat's why we keep hearing about raids in meat packing plants, restaurants, and outside courtrooms.

It's a very nice story if you're hoping to incite violent racial hatred, though - and well in keeping with older US stories about "scalping" savage Indians, black brutes raping "our" women, or secret muslims who took over the presidency despite being born outside the US.
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Old 30th June 2018, 10:10 AM   #185
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This is one that actually is worth discussing - particularly since ICE is a pretty recent creation as far as law enforcement goes - but then again, I think that much of US law enforcement needs major reform as well as a Supreme Court that takes constitutional protections seriously.
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This is one that actually is worth discussing - particularly since ICE is a pretty recent creation as far as law enforcement goes - but then again, I think that much of US law enforcement needs major reform as well as a Supreme Court that takes constitutional protections seriously.
There's also a pecking order thing going on. ICE special agents (series 1811s) don't like being associated with the lesser beings who do detention and removal (series 1810s and 1816s IIRC). Criminal Investigators/Special Agents (1811s) don't want to be looped in the unwashed masses doing worksite enforcement and serving warrants of deportations. They should be doing high-minded crime fighting like intercepting pirated DVDs and fake GAP sweatshirts or whatever else the FBI leaves for them to do.
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Just because...

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trumps up to date tweets.

"The Democrats are making a strong push to abolish ICE, one of the smartest, toughest and most spirited law enforcement groups of men and women that I have ever seen. I have watched ICE liberate towns from the grasp of MS-13 & clean out the toughest of situations. They are great!"
Our incredibly squeamish President actually watched this? And which towns are these? I would expect to hear the right-wing media Trumpeting this stuff like crazy, after all, but there's been not a peep that I've seen.

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"To the great and brave men and women of ICE, do not worry or lose your spirit. You are doing a fantastic job of keeping us safe by eradicating the worst criminal elements. So brave! The radical left Dems want you out. Next it will be all police. Zero chance, It will never happen!"
Either way, "Next it will be all police" seems a bit disjointed. Is Trump seriously saying that Democrats want to eliminate police entirely, rather than that a subset of them should simply improve their behavior so they aren't acting like criminals themselves?

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"Just spoke to King Salman of Saudi Arabia and explained to him that, because of the turmoil & disfunction in Iran and Venezuela, I am asking that Saudi Arabia increase oil production, maybe up to 2,000,000 barrels, to make up the difference...Prices to high! He has agreed!"
Good if it will help lower prices, but, um... how much should we thank the President for putting a patch on a problem that he fairly directly caused?
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Just because...

Our incredibly squeamish President actually watched this? And which towns are these? I would expect to hear the right-wing media Trumpeting this stuff like crazy, after all, but there's been not a peep that I've seen.

Either way, "Next it will be all police" seems a bit disjointed. Is Trump seriously saying that Democrats want to eliminate police entirely, rather than that a subset of them should simply improve their behavior so they aren't acting like criminals themselves?

Good, but, um... how much should we thank the President for putting a patch on a problem that he fairly directly caused?
Let's see. You know he's lying about ICE. You know he lies about everything. But you believe he called his bud, the king, and got a 2 million barrels of oil favor?
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Let's see. You know he's lying about ICE. You know he lies about everything. But you believe he called his bud, the king, and got a 2 million barrels of oil favor?
It's "up to" 2 million barrels. Which includes zero, of course.
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It's "up to" 2 million barrels. Which includes zero, of course.
That presumes he actually called the man.
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Let's see. You know he's lying about ICE. You know he lies about everything. But you believe he called his bud, the king, and got a 2 million barrels of oil favor?
I leave it in the realm of plausible that it will happen, for now, much as I strongly doubt that it would be done simply because he asked, not least because of how he's quite eager to take credit for anything that he thinks he can get away with. Either way, the point I was making was a different one. He's offering a patch to a problem that he had a huge part in causing in the first place. Even if it was completely true and completely reversed the damage he's done, how happy should we be with him on that matter?
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Trump says he convinced Saudi Arabia to increase their oil production up to 2 million barrels.
Doing so would break OPEC rules.

Saudi Arabia has refused to confirm any such agreement.

SURPRISE.
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The U.S. ambassador to Estonia resigns today, citing Trump's anti-Europe tirades in private message to friends.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/29...ntic-alliance/
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That presumes he actually called the man.
And that he wasn't accidentally connected to a prank caller instead.
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Trump says he convinced Saudi Arabia to increase their oil production up to 2 million barrels.
Doing so would break OPEC rules.

Saudi Arabia has refused to confirm any such agreement.

SURPRISE.
Bingo.
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Our incredibly squeamish President actually watched this? And which towns are these? I would expect to hear the right-wing media Trumpeting this stuff like crazy, after all, but there's been not a peep that I've seen.
It's no different that the "No-Go Zones" that European white nationalists claim are overrun by "muslims" over there.

Well, okay, it's a different set of supposedly threatening nonwhite people, but it's still paint-by-numbers white supremacism.
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Don't you know MS-13 are actually Muslims? People are saying, anyhow.
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Old 30th June 2018, 01:29 PM   #198
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
And that he wasn't accidentally connected to a prank caller instead.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
That presumes he actually called the man.
This being Trump, I checked what the Saudis had to say about it first, so you and I are on the same wavelength there.
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
To be fair to Kim, he also got US concessions, including the cancellation of a long-running set of US-ROK military exercises. I have no reason to believe that aggrandisement is anything other than a tool for Kim, but one that is very useful in a totalitarian state with a cult of personality.
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