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Old 27th June 2018, 11:10 AM   #1
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Kennedy resigns, say goodbye to human rights

Kennedy resigns as of the end of July.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:12 AM   #2
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Well, the progressives had a good long SCOTUS run while it lasted. Don't worry, though: Your time will come 'round again.
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Yea, all we need to do is get around equal rights for white heterosexual males and nobody else and we're there.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:16 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Kennedy resigns as of the end of July.
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This might motivate the Dems to take the Senate. Ginsberg is 85.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:18 AM   #6
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Well, the progressives had a good long SCOTUS run while it lasted. Don't worry, though: Your time will come 'round again.
Kennedy was a progressive???
He was a moderate.
Pretty clear you want to impose a right wing authoritarian rule on the US....and guarantee it will not be able to be removed at the ballot box.
And taking the country back to an era when minorities had no power and White Euro Males reigned supreme is a price you are happy to pay. Hell, you might well be happy that the darkies, spiks, and others are put back in their p lace.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:18 AM   #7
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When the Dems eventually get back in power, I wonder if they'll just expand the number of SCOTUS judges, like Roosevelt was thinking of doing.

ETA: In fact, I can see SCOTUS expanding with each swing of power until there are something like 3001 justices.

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Old 27th June 2018, 11:19 AM   #8
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We might have to consider taking the stuggle out of politics an dinot the streets.
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Kennedy was a progressive???
He was a moderate.
No, but you can be damn sure he'll be replaced with a strict right-wing conservative.
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When the Dems eventually get back in power, I wonder if they'll just expand the number of SCOTUS judges, like Roosevelt was thinking of doing.
That's what I was thinking.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:22 AM   #11
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The bad Supreme Court news this week is unrelenting.
THis country is on the edge of going over into the abyss.
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No, but you can be damn sure he'll be replaced with a strict right-wing conservative.
A very young one at that.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:23 AM   #13
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I love how to people like prestige for the Supeme Court to have a progressive bias is evil, but it to have far right bias is fine.
Let's be frank,the destruction of Democracy is a goal of many on the right.
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No, but you can be damn sure he'll be replaced with a strict right-wing conservative.
Maybe a good thing. If I have to vet who is probably going to more likely reach the conclusions of 200 year old slave owners, it is probably the conservatives.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:26 AM   #15
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No, but you can be damn sure he'll be replaced with a strict right-wing conservative.
I'm not so sure. This year is bad for the Dems in the senate, but in two years, it will be awful for the GOP. Collins and Murkowski aren't going to let anyone too extreme get through, if they want a future in politics.

ETA: The 2020 map is good for the GOP. 2022 will be challenging for them.

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Roe vs Wade overturn coming up. with theocracy to follow.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:27 AM   #17
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Kennedy was a progressive???
He was a moderate.
Pretty clear you want to impose a right wing authoritarian rule on the US....and guarantee it will not be able to be removed at the ballot box.
And taking the country back to an era when minorities had no power and White Euro Males reigned supreme is a price you are happy to pay. Hell, you might well be happy that the darkies, spiks, and others are put back in their p lace.
He was not a progressive and half the time he ruled with the alt-right side of the court. But he wasn't a Scalia, an Alito, a Thomas or a Gorsuch. Those justices consistently rule for corporations and big money against the 99%. And they have religious convictions that blind them to their hypocrisy as was the ruling yesterday that said it was a free speech issue to deceive people as long as long as you were anti-abortion, but you have no right to even mention abortion if you are a legit medical clinic getting funds for the part of your medical services not involved with abortion.

The Federalists are giving Trump all his judicial nominees. The next SCOTUS will be an alt-right Evangelical who favors overturning Roe v Wade, and who favors money equalling free speech. IOW the rich have the court's support, the poor do not. White Christian males have the court's support, no one else does.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:29 AM   #18
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He was not a progressive and half the time he ruled with the alt-right side of the court. But he wasn't a Scalia, an Alito, a Thomas or a Gorsuch. Those justices consistently rule for corporations and big money against the 99%. And they have religious convictions that blind them to their hypocrisy as was the ruling yesterday that said it was a free speech issue to deceive people as long as long as you were anti-abortion, but you have no right to even mention abortion if you are a legit medical clinic getting funds for the part of your medical care not involved with abortion.

The Federalists are giving Trump all his judicial nominees. The next SCOTUS will be an alt-right Evangelical who favors overturning Roe v Wade, and who favors money equalling free speech. IOW the rich have the court's support, the poor do not. White Christian males have the court's support, no one else does.
Now do you get why I have never agreed with progressives when it comes to Gun Control? I like the idea of citizens having the appeals to arms against a tyranny as a last resort...
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No, but you can be damn sure he'll be replaced with a strict right-wing conservative.
First he's going to try nominating Jeanine Pirro.
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I'm not so sure. This year is bad for the Dems in the senate, but in two years, it will be awful for the GOP. Collins and Murkowski aren't going to let anyone too extreme get through, if they want a future in politics.
Can I have some of what you are smoking?

The future in politics is to reduce the level of democracy such that the Republicans can maintain safe majorities without actually having more public support than the Democrats.

They'll push voter suppression, and that will be upheld by a more conservative court.
They'll push gerrymandering, and that will be upheld by the court.
They'll push corporate money into campaign finance, and that will be upheld by the more conservative court.

We become less and less of a democracy every day. This accelerates that trend.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:31 AM   #21
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Kennedy resigns as of the end of July.
That was to be expected as well: I'm sure that white nationalists will be happy. IMO, the solution is simply to overwhelm, retake congress, and add two more seats.

You'll note that I fully expect McConnell to rush a hard-right lunatic into Kennedy's seat, despite his obviously disingenuous blathering about how it's important not to do this in election years earlier. This is exactly why I suggest adding two justices to counteract his power grab. As I said, I think he's a "power at all costs" kind of a guy, and it just so happens that stripping away the rights of anyone who isn't a wealthy straight white male Christian is the cost.
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Can I have some of what you are smoking?

The future in politics is to reduce the level of democracy such that the Republicans can maintain safe majorities without actually having more public support than the Democrats.

They'll push voter suppression, and that will be upheld by a more conservative court.
They'll push gerrymandering, and that will be upheld by the court.
They'll push corporate money into campaign finance, and that will be upheld by the more conservative court.

We become less and less of a democracy every day. This accelerates that trend.
Which is why I think armed resistence to a tyranny is becoming a realistic possibility?
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If Kennedy wasn't progressive, why are all of the progressives getting so upset that he resigned?

Twitter is blowing up with SJWs saying they're moving to Canada or Norway.
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Kennedy was a progressive???
He was a moderate.
No he was a conservative, Just a more Reagan era one than the new kind.
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If Kennedy wasn't progressive, why are all of the progressives getting so upset that he resigned?

Twitter is blowing up with SJWs saying they're moving to Canada or Norway.
Wait and see.
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Meet the powerful group behind Trump’s judicial nominations
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Groups on the left have accused the White House of outsourcing the nomination process to the Washington, D.C.-based group as it seeks to stack the courts with conservative judges....

“I would say I think the Federalist Society has come to play over the last 30 years for Republican presidents something of the role the American Bar Association has traditionally played for Democratic presidents,” Calabresi said in an interview with The Hill.

The last two Republican presidents have disregarded ABA ratings, and I think they are relying on the Federalist Society to come up with qualified nominees.”...


Four of the nine justices on the Supreme Court have strong ties to the group. Gorsuch and Justice Clarence Thomas regularly speak at events, and Justice Samuel Alito said during his confirmation hearings that he was a proud member.
Speaking at their meetings as in getting big payouts for their judicial votes.

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Top donors include the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, David Koch and Koch Industries Inc., which each contributed $100,000 last year. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce contributed $500,000, according to the society’s 2016 annual report. Revenue and support totaled $26.75 million in 2016.
It was the goal of the GOP as far back as Reagan to take over state houses and gerrymander the Congress, and stuff the courts with alt-right extremist judges. IOW, destroy any semblance of actual democracy.

This is yet another nail in the coffin of democracy.
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Can I have some of what you are smoking?

The future in politics is to reduce the level of democracy such that the Republicans can maintain safe majorities without actually having more public support than the Democrats.

They'll push voter suppression, and that will be upheld by a more conservative court.
They'll push gerrymandering, and that will be upheld by the court.
They'll push corporate money into campaign finance, and that will be upheld by the more conservative court.

We become less and less of a democracy every day. This accelerates that trend.
Yeah, all that will happen. I'm just saying we're not going to get a Roy Moore type.
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Wait and see.
I think progressives chainging their minds about guns and actually buying a rifle is going to happen a lot more then moving to Canada.

But the right wingers here open rejoicing at the idea of a one party right wing authoritarian state shows where they are coming from.
I think the term is "Fascism".
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I love how to people like prestige for the Supeme Court to have a progressive bias is evil, but it to have far right bias is fine.
Let's be frank,the destruction of Democracy is a goal of many on the right.
You should try talking to the conservatives here, instead of hosting imaginary tea parties for caricatures in your head.
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Meet the powerful group behind Trumpís judicial nominations
Speaking at their meetings as in getting big payouts for their judicial votes.



It was the goal of the GOP as far back as Reagan to take over state houses and gerrymander the Congress, and stuff the courts with alt-right extremist judges. IOW, destroy any semblance of actual democracy.

This is yet another nail in the coffin of democracy.
The alt right did not exist during Reagan.
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Meet the powerful group behind Trumpís judicial nominations
Speaking at their meetings as in getting big payouts for their judicial votes.



It was the goal of the GOP as far back as Reagan to take over state houses and gerrymander the Congress, and stuff the courts with alt-right extremist judges. IOW, destroy any semblance of actual democracy.

This is yet another nail in the coffin of democracy.
But they left a loophole:the Second Amendment.
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Wait and see.
Wait and see what? If they actually move to Canada or Norway?
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So, seriously: why not pack the court?
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How long will it take Flake to cave?

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Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) confirmed Tuesday that he plans to block President Donald Trumpís judicial nominees until Senate Republican leaders allow a vote on legislation aimed at restricting the presidentís authority to impose tariffs.
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If Kennedy wasn't progressive, why are all of the progressives getting so upset that he resigned?
You could try reading what people are saying rather than just making up things that aren't true.
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So, seriously: why not pack the court?
The post-Kennedy SC will just rule that attempt unconstitutional.
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Why does it matter? So Pence has to actually do something, it won't stop them.
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You could try reading what people are saying rather than just making up things that aren't true.
I posted my comment in a thread full of progressives that are upset that he resigned.
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The post-Kennedy SC will just rule that attempt unconstitutional.
It's been done before. Republicans added a 10th member to the court in the 1800's.
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I don't know. There is a faction in the Senate that has recognized the bull in the trade war china shop isn't as harmless as the idiot Tweeter in Chief.
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