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Ed Aum Shinrikyo Cult Leader Executed

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As I have stated previously, I am strictly against the death penalty, but I guess this provides an end to a very dark situation.

Japan executes sarin gas attack cult leader Shoko Asahara and six members

The former leader of the doomsday cult that carried out a fatal gas attack on the Tokyo subway in March 1995 was executed on Friday .

Shoko Asahara, who masterminded the attack in which 13 people died and more than 6,000 others fell ill, was hanged at a detention centre.

Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, Yoshihide Suga, confirmed Asahara’s execution. The justice ministry later confirmed that six other senior cult members were executed on the same day.
 
Wow, I was under the impression the US was the only civilized country that still had the death penalty.
 
Wow, I was under the impression the US was the only civilized country that still had the death penalty.

If this Daily Telegraph article is accurate, there are 58 countries that retain the use of the death penalty. Most of them are the usual suspects.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/countries-that-still-have-the-death-penalty/

The US and Japan are stand-outs as developed countries with the death penalty who actively execute people. I was surprised at the number of Caribbean, Central and South American countries that also have it.
 
Cult's still going strong though; just has a new name. Now known as Aleph, for whatever reason, and has almost 2000 members.
 
Not that there are nice ways to kill people but hanging seems a bit barbaric in this day and age.

While by and large I don't support the death penalty as it's practiced in the US, I can't say I'm too worked up about this one. The cult leader and senior henchmen truly seem to fit the bill of worst of the worst.
 
Not that there are nice ways to kill people but hanging seems a bit barbaric in this day and age.

While by and large I don't support the death penalty as it's practiced in the US, I can't say I'm too worked up about this one. The cult leader and senior henchmen truly seem to fit the bill of worst of the worst.

If I remember, those on death row in Japan never know when the execution will occur. They are told that morning. Every morning could be their last.
 
If this Daily Telegraph article is accurate, there are 58 countries that retain the use of the death penalty. Most of them are the usual suspects.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/countries-that-still-have-the-death-penalty/

The US and Japan are stand-outs as developed countries with the death penalty who actively execute people.
Give it a few more years, and May will take the UK out of the CoE as well and reintroduce the death penalty, so the UK can join those illustrious ranks. :rolleyes:

I was surprised at the number of Caribbean, Central and South American countries that also have it.
But according to Amnesty's 2017 fact sheet, the USA was the only country in the Americas that actually practiced it that year.

I was a bit surprised to read this news now, as it's been 23 years ago that the subway attack happened. I'm confused about the subsequent timeline. Were the perpetrators caught in the immediate aftermath of the attack or were they first at large for several years?
 
Not that there are nice ways to kill people but hanging seems a bit barbaric in this day and age.
Hanging, with a trapdoor, IMHO is a more swift and more fail-safe way to execute someone than with a mix of drugs concocted by amateurs, without input from an MD on their efficacy, because the ones that have proven efficacy are not available, as is the case now in the majority of US states practicing executions.

While by and large I don't support the death penalty as it's practiced in the US, I can't say I'm too worked up about this one. The cult leader and senior henchmen truly seem to fit the bill of worst of the worst.
Agreed. I'm against the death penalty, but this is the opposite of the posterboy case to argue that.
 
I think you linked to the wrong Wikipedia page. And the unexpected hanging dilemma only works when there's a specific date by which time the hanging must occur; unless the prisoner has some means of knowing when he'll die of natural causes, any date must be a surprise if no term length is specified.

Dave
I did indeed link the wrong page and I had corrected it before I read your post. And you're right about your addition.

There should be one other addition: the prisoner must have a good grasp of logic. Even on this skeptics board, there are many people who don't demonstrate that. Let's not even get into the general population on that one.
 
Give it a few more years, and May will take the UK out of the CoE as well and reintroduce the death penalty, so the UK can join those illustrious ranks. :rolleyes:


But according to Amnesty's 2017 fact sheet, the USA was the only country in the Americas that actually practiced it that year.

I was a bit surprised to read this news now, as it's been 23 years ago that the subway attack happened. I'm confused about the subsequent timeline. Were the perpetrators caught in the immediate aftermath of the attack or were they first at large for several years?

According to his Wiki page, he was captured almost immediately, but wasn't sentenced until 2004; the defense appealed the sentencing on the grounds that Asahara was mentally unfit. That was denied in 2006, but subsequent appeals for re-trial then had to work their way through the system. In 2012, his sentence was postponed because the police captured several other Aum Shinrikyo members and I guess they needed him for the trials.
 
If this Daily Telegraph article is accurate, there are 58 countries that retain the use of the death penalty. Most of them are the usual suspects.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/countries-that-still-have-the-death-penalty/

The US and Japan are stand-outs as developed countries with the death penalty who actively execute people. I was surprised at the number of Caribbean, Central and South American countries that also have it.
I was aware some of the Caribbean countries still do, since some appeals have made it to the Supreme Court in the UK, which is the ultimate court of appeal for a number of Commonwealth countries - https://www.legalcheek.com/2017/02/uk-supreme-court-justices-are-hearing-death-penalty-cases/

Not that there are nice ways to kill people but hanging seems a bit barbaric in this day and age.
As ddt says, when done properly, the long drop is pretty quick and efficient. Not the same as the hanging you see in cowboy or pirate movies; it was over in less than 20 seconds from the prisoner leaving the condemned cell.
 
it was over in less than 20 seconds from the prisoner leaving the condemned cell.

Albert Pierrepoint's fastest time was 7 seconds from the condemned leaving the death cell to the trap opening.

And it's not "long drop", it's "measured drop".
 
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Albert Pierrepoint's fastest time was 7 seconds from the condemned leaving the death cell to the trap opening.

And it's not "long drop", it's "measured drop".
An important distinction; an overly long drop is......messy.
 
If only the judge would tell them that they'll not know in advance, they can sit in prison with the certainty they'll never be executed. :)

This is obviously offtopic, but I can't help myself: it seems to me that the problem is that the prisoner concludes that he won't be hanged but in his reasoning he doesn't include the possibility that he has made that conclusion. He doesn't go the next step and say "having concluded that I won't be hanged, I'll be surprised even on friday if they come to hang me.", which means that he can't conclude that he won't be hanged on friday, because it still could be a surprise. But if he can't make that conclusion then none of the argument works anymore.
 
Not that there are nice ways to kill people but hanging seems a bit barbaric in this day and age.

While by and large I don't support the death penalty as it's practiced in the US, I can't say I'm too worked up about this one. The cult leader and senior henchmen truly seem to fit the bill of worst of the worst.

I am also anti-death penalty but, within this context, I applaud Japan for choosing a method which is most probably highly quick and humane over a method which "looks" neat but is arguably more likely to result in pain or suffering.

I'm not going to repeat "It's better if we didn't execute people at all" every 3 seconds here so consider this the universal asterisk I hereby acknowledge over the entire discussion but if we are going to have executions as a concept in our society and we are going forward with the idea that we aren't going to make them any more cruel or painful then necessary I method which is quick and painless for the executed (executee? Whatever) but "looks" more shocking to us is preferable to a method which is outwardly "non messy" and "not dramatic" but is possibly more painful for the executed.
 
I will never support the death penalty, but have often wondered, at the risk of being stupid why do they not use the green dream that works so well for our beloved pets?
 
I will never support the death penalty, but have often wondered, at the risk of being stupid why do they not use the green dream that works so well for our beloved pets?

I also wondered why they don't just put them to sleep or heavy sedation and then give an O.D. I think this is the idea but they seem to bungle it so often.
I recall it had something to do with not being able to do a 'medical' procedure and not being able to use a doctor - it violates ethics. I still dont really get it as they do have some formula that they use. Why not choose one that works?
 
I will never support the death penalty, but have often wondered, at the risk of being stupid why do they not use the green dream that works so well for our beloved pets?

Probably because no-one has worked out the specifics of dose needed for humans, and actual medical professionals refuse to take part.

Personally, if I had to choose, I'd go for a pure nitrogen atmosphere, which apparently just puts you to sleep with no distress.
 
Couldn't they just sew him in a bag with two wild cats and throw him in the Tiber?

Creative executions are a lost art.
 
Or how about, making him eat a sandwich and some potato salad, and then go swimming without waiting half an hour first? That's guaranteed to be lethal; just ask my mother.
 
Give it a few more years, and May will take the UK out of the CoE as well and reintroduce the death penalty, so the UK can join those illustrious ranks. :rolleyes:

Sorry, for weirdly late reply, but I just saw this thread. May is going to leave the Church of England? Why would that even be necessary? They had plenty of hangings while the CoE was the official state religion.
 
Sorry, for weirdly late reply, but I just saw this thread. May is going to leave the Church of England? Why would that even be necessary? They had plenty of hangings while the CoE was the official state religion.
:D
No, CoE = Council of Europe, an organization of 47 European states, which is the author of the ECHR (European Convention of Human Rights) and runs the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights). The CoE disapproves of the death penalty, and the ECHR would rule against such a verdict within a minute.
 
:D
No, CoE = Council of Europe, an organization of 47 European states, which is the author of the ECHR (European Convention of Human Rights) and runs the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights). The CoE disapproves of the death penalty, and the ECHR would rule against such a verdict within a minute.

Does the EHCR have jurisdiction to rule on UK sentencing decisions?
 
Civilization is a social construct. So are crime and punishment.

What you meant to say was, "I find your idea personally offensive".
No, I meant to say "That's not very civilised". While it is true that I also find the idea personally offensive, that was not what I was trying to say.
 
Not that there are nice ways to kill people but hanging seems a bit barbaric in this day and age.

While by and large I don't support the death penalty as it's practiced in the US, I can't say I'm too worked up about this one. The cult leader and senior henchmen truly seem to fit the bill of worst of the worst.

Hanging is among the quickest execution methods if performed properly. Trapdoor opens...fall some measured distance...neck snaps.
 

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