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Trump's UK visit

Lothian

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Lothian
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The agenda is out
Highlights include

A walk around the historic town of Salisbury picking up any abandoned containers.
Meeting a Queen at the Vauxhall Tavern.
In tribute to the president a wind band will trump the USA national anthem.
An inflatable Trump in a nappy hot air balloon will be flown over London.
Should be the best non state visit ever.
 
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Lothian said:
In tribute to the president a wind band will trump the USA national anthem.
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Hopefully they'll get Shakespearian with it:

Clown. Are these, I pray you, wind-instruments?
First Musician. Ay, marry, are they, sir.
Clown. O, thereby hangs a tail.
First Musician. Whereby hangs a tale, sir?
Clown. Marry, sir, by many a wind-instrument that I know.

–Othello, Act III, Scene 1​
 
theprestige said:
Hopefully they'll get Shakespearian with it:

Clown. Are these, I pray you, wind-instruments?
First Musician. Ay, marry, are they, sir.
Clown. O, thereby hangs a tail.
First Musician. Whereby hangs a tale, sir?
Clown. Marry, sir, by many a wind-instrument that I know.

–Othello, Act III, Scene 1​
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A full moon performance could be a spectacular finale to the visit.
 
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It would appear they are trying to keep Mafia Don the hell away from the populace at all times. Wouldn't want the thin-skinned buffoon annoyed, now, would we.

And once again even though I am an Australian republican, I have increasing regard for Her Maj having to put up with the likes of Mafia Don for afternoon tea. I just wish she would let loose with her handbag and give him a couple of decent wacks around the ears and send him on his way without benefit of scones and tea.
 
Norman Alexander said:
It would appear they are trying to keep Mafia Don the hell away from the populace at all times. Wouldn't want the thin-skinned buffoon annoyed, now, would we.

And once again even though I am an Australian republican, I have increasing regard for Her Maj having to put up with the likes of Mafia Don for afternoon tea. I just wish she would let loose with her handbag and give him a couple of decent wacks around the ears and send him on his way without benefit of scones and tea.
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Pay me over 80 million a year and I'll put up with Trump for an hour or so, I'd even smile.
 
Darat said:
Pay me over 80 million a year and I'll put up with Trump for an hour or so, I'd even smile.
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She's been married to Stavros for over 70 years so dealing with an outspoken racist is hardly going to be breaking new ground for her.
 
The Don said:
She's been married to Stavros for over 70 years so dealing with an outspoken racist is hardly going to be breaking new ground for her.
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[WORDS_I_NEVER_THOUGHT_ID_SAY] I don't think the comparison is fair to Phil the Greek. [/WORDS_I_NEVER_THOUGHT_ID_SAY]
 
Border Reiver said:
Wonder if he could be convinced to fly the Trump Baby blimp at Buck Palace?
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Well the Queen may not explicitly express her opinions on matters like this but she has been known to get the point across if she wishes (as a certain Saudi prince once found out). I wouldn't be surprised if Brenda has a bit of a dig herself, probably go right over his head though (like the back of his hair).
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Well the Queen may not explicitly express her opinions on matters like this but she has been known to get the point across if she wishes (as a certain Saudi prince once found out). I wouldn't be surprised if Brenda has a bit of a dig herself, probably go right over his head though (like the back of his hair).
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I knew my Captain General couldn't make any personal feelings officially known, which was why I figured the role of "person who can do something HMTQ can't" would be held by a man known to have expressed less than politically correct views from time to time who could express solidarity with the people while leaving Her with a bit of a face saving measure....
 
Border Reiver said:
I knew my Captain General couldn't make any personal feelings officially known, which was why I figured the role of "person who can do something HMTQ can't" would be held by a man known to have expressed less than politically correct views from time to time who could express solidarity with the people while leaving Her with a bit of a face saving measure....
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/feminist-boss-lady-queen-elizabeth-gave-saudi-arabias-king-lesson-power/

She's played this game for a very long time....
 
I really, really, hope the British People turn out and give Benedict Donald an appropriate welcome...
 
As much as I'd like to see Donald Trump greeted by hostile crowds wherever he goes in the UK, his itinerary has been designed to avoid them and in any case, in his mind they will be enthusiastic crowds cheering him.

IMO a more effective way of showing displeasure, and one which may hit home is a complete absence of crowds anywhere and minimal attendance at official engagements. He cancelled a visit from the Philadelphia Eagles when it became apparent that none of the stars wanted to meet him so it seems he is sensitive to no-shows.

It'd be almost impossible to pull off, but empty streets, crowdless barriers and empty seats at dinner might send some kind of message.
 
The Don said:
iIt'd be almost impossible to pull off, but empty streets, crowdless barriers..
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He would see that as tough security. We want some people to show it is just a lack of interest. Perhaps 9 or 10 folk 'lining' the route. Ideally they could wave the Malaysian flag. That doesn't signify protest, as a Russian flag would, rather a , 'meh, he's not that important, looks close enough' attitude.
 
The Don said:
As much as I'd like to see Donald Trump greeted by hostile crowds wherever he goes in the UK, his itinerary has been designed to avoid them and in any case, in his mind they will be enthusiastic crowds cheering him.

IMO a more effective way of showing displeasure, and one which may hit home is a complete absence of crowds anywhere and minimal attendance at official engagements. He cancelled a visit from the Philadelphia Eagles when it became apparent that none of the stars wanted to meet him so it seems he is sensitive to no-shows.

It'd be almost impossible to pull off, but empty streets, crowdless barriers and empty seats at dinner might send some kind of message.
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That this is deemed necessary for a POTUS says all you need to know about the man.
 
Trump arrives in the UK this afternoon.

The Police Federation has warned the visit will put "unquestionable pressure" on UK police forces.

Tens of thousands of people are expected to protest against the president in London on Thursday and Friday - and in Glasgow on Saturday.

Police forces from across the country have been asked to send officers to assist the Metropolitan Police.

Smaller demonstrations are also expected to be held across the UK, including Devon, Dundee, Edinburgh, Belfast, Norwich, Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool.

Meanwhile, London Mayor Sadiq Khan has granted permission for a giant inflatable figure depicting Mr Trump as a baby to fly over Westminster for two hours on the second day of the president's visit.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44802315

Mass demos expected.
 
The Don said:
While it heartens me to see that people in the UK are anti-President Trump, no doubt he will see the demonstrations as demonstrations in favour of him.

IMO the way to really, really hurt Donald Trump is to ignore him and starve him of the oxygen of publicity.
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He's expecting to see the UK 'in turmoil'. Well, perhaps he'll see our football hooligans out in force, or the anti-globalists.

He comes to Helsinki next week. I will promptly...ignore him.
 
One person has reportedly refused to dine with President Trump:

Only one person, the digital entrepreneur and philanthropist Baroness Martha Lane-Fox, has publicly refused the invitation.

She said: "I understand why the government have to entertain Trump, but I certainly don't want to."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44793334

There is some doubt about whether the invitation is personal or corporate. Personally I think it doesn't matter, attendance shows clear support for President Trump, his Administration and his policies and consumers should draw their own conclusions about what that says about that company and/or their choice of executives.
 
Hadn't realised his trip was 36 hours of meetings etc. with the UK government and then 48 hours at his golf course... Hardest working president ever!
 
Darat said:
Hadn't realised his trip was 36 hours of meetings etc. with the UK government and then 48 hours at his golf course... Hardest working president ever!
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He may be on his golf course but, as he assured us during the campaign, he'll be too busy and won't have time to play. :p
 
He has landed at Stanstead, was greeted by Trade Secretary Liam Fox and Marine One has flown him straight to the US Embassy.

No chance of him seeing any protests or the protests seeing him.
 
The Don said:
One person has reportedly refused to dine with President Trump:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44793334

There is some doubt about whether the invitation is personal or corporate. Personally I think it doesn't matter, attendance shows clear support for President Trump, his Administration and his policies and consumers should draw their own conclusions about what that says about that company and/or their choice of executives.
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It's one thing to not want a glad-handing photo with Trump, but not to go? With tariffs on the menu? That's irresponsible. The more negatively his decisions can affect (or have affected) a company, the more imperative it is to show up- personal feelings aside.
 
Sherkeu said:
It's one thing to not want a glad-handing photo with Trump, but not to go? With tariffs on the menu? That's irresponsible. The more negatively his decisions can affect (or have affected) a company, the more imperative it is to show up- personal feelings aside.
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Why go ? He's known to negotiate in bad faith and then immediately repudiate the results. In any case, let governments do the work.

By turning up IMO you are absolutely endorsing the man, his administration and his policies. By sucking up to the man, which presumably is the way that you get into his good books, you are actually encouraging him.

I think a full list of the attendees, and the organisations they represent, should be published. Barclays took quite a hit in the 80's when they did business in South Africa. I think the public should be able to choose whether to buy their petrol from a Trump endorser/enabler like BP or another retailer.
 
French President Macron denies Trump claim that NATO powers agreed to increase defense spending beyond previous targets.
 
The Don said:
Why go ? He's known to negotiate in bad faith and then immediately repudiate the results. In any case, let governments do the work.

By turning up IMO you are absolutely endorsing the man, his administration and his policies. By sucking up to the man, which presumably is the way that you get into his good books, you are actually encouraging him.

I think a full list of the attendees, and the organisations they represent, should be published. Barclays took quite a hit in the 80's when they did business in South Africa. I think the public should be able to choose whether to buy their petrol from a Trump endorser/enabler like BP or another retailer.
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Going to a dinner hosted by the Prime Minister of your country for the American President isn't an endorsement of anyone. Many who are going have been quite critical of Trump. But if you think it's not important to listen to the President or talk to the other 149 business leaders about the current economic challenges, then, by all means, stay home and let them discuss it without you.

Doing business with America is NOT like South Africa. That is an insane comparison.
 
Sherkeu said:
Going to a dinner hosted by the Prime Minister of your country for the American President isn't an endorsement of anyone. Many who are going have been quite critical of Trump. But if you think it's not important to listen to the President or talk to the other 149 business leaders about the current economic challenges, then, by all means, stay home and let them discuss it without you.
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There is plenty of opportunity for business leaders to network - heck that's what the CBI is for.

If you think there is any value in listening to President Trump then you clearly haven't been paying attention given his tendency to go with his gut and make up policy on the fly, immediately reverse his position and negotiate in bad faith. His speech contains nothing of value, and likely little of truth.

Attending this dinner is nothing more or less IMO than a personal endorsement of President Trump, his Administration and policies (unless of course they are being forced to attend in which case it's a corporate endorsement). They are there solely to fawn over the man, applaud his every utterance and cheer him to the rafters.

Sherkeu said:
Doing business with America is NOT like South Africa. That is an insane comparison.
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I never claimed it was but directly supporting President Trump in this manner is endorsing his racism, misogyny, bullying and hypocrisy and I think the public have a right to know which companies are toadying up to him so that they can make their choice about who they do business with. Of course in the US, it's debatable whether such an endorsement may actually improve business. Perhaps public opinion in the UK is such that knowing that BP supports, endorses and enables President Trump will actually improve sales for them.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
He has landed at Stanstead, was greeted by Trade Secretary Liam Fox and Marine One has flown him straight to the US Embassy.

No chance of him seeing any protests or the protests seeing him.
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Wow, landing at Stansted, home of the budget airlines (Ryanair, Whizzair), only marginally less grotty than Luton (ditto).

Avoiding relatively smart Heathrow Airport for a shabby old shed way outside London (1 hour fifteen minutes to Liverpool Street, East End) full of benefit claimants queuing up for £29 flights to Benidorm, is really coming down in the world for the President of the world's 'most powerful country'.

It could be because of enhanced security, as that is where potentially hijacked or high risk incoming flights are diverted.
 
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