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Old 9th July 2018, 06:13 PM   #1
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New SCOTUS Judge

Brett Kavanaugh. In my opinion, the best of a bad lot (if you're a liberal).

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Old 9th July 2018, 06:17 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
Brett Kavanaugh. In my opinion, the best of a bad lot (if you're a liberal).

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Not great, could be worse. Kind of get the impression they're playing the odds on getting one more nomination in during Trump's term and are saving the "big" fight for that.

Not the hard line anti-abortionist people feared, he's at worst a "middle of the roader."

On the young side, which I expected. He's easily got 30 years at least of service in him.
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Very telling is this:

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Believes presidents should be protected from lawsuits and criminal investigations: The Starr Report to Congress "outlined information that potentially constituted grounds for the impeachment of President Clinton," as the Almanac of the Federal Judiciary notes. And yet, Kavanaugh wrote this in 2009 in the Minnesota Law Review about presidential investigations, which is sure to please President Trump:

"Even the lesser burdens of a criminal investigation— including preparing for questioning by criminal investigators — are time-consuming and distracting. Like civil suits, criminal investigations take the President's focus away from his or her responsibilities to the people. And a President who is concerned about an ongoing criminal investigation is almost inevitably going to do a worse job as President."
NPR: (Also has a good and fair general overview of him) https://www.npr.org/2018/07/09/62616...ntent=20180709
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5/9/2006 Schumer: "Do you consider Roe v. Wade to be an abomination?"
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JULY 5, 2018 Kavanaugh: "If confirmed to the D.C. Circuit, I would follow Roe v. Wade faithfully and fully. That would be binding precedent of the Court. It's been decided by the" #SCOTUS
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Trump chose someone he thinks will protect him if needed.
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Trump chose someone he thinks will protect him if needed.
Exactly.
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Superb choice.
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Old 9th July 2018, 06:35 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
Brett Kavanaugh. In my opinion, the best of a bad lot (if you're a liberal).

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Why won't the zombie corpse of ****** 90's politics die already. I mean who didn’t want discussions of the Starr investigation dominating confirmation hearings.
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I wonder if he got this guy's oath of loyalty on tape. This pick is all about protecting himself from the law.
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Old 9th July 2018, 06:48 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
This pick is all about protecting himself from the law.
//Trying to put a silver lining on it// Blessing in disguise. He picked a guy solely on how much it benefited him, so didn't pick some hardcore ultraconservative hard liner.

Again my gut is this is a softball pitch and they are saving the big fight for the next one.

I hate to be this cynical but... Ginsburg. 85 years old, two time cancer survivor, arguably the most liberal member of the court and hits all the Republican triggers. When she steps down or dies... that replacement is gonna be hard core conservative and that's the one they are going fight long and dirty to get in. They are saving their political and PR capital for that one.
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Old 9th July 2018, 06:50 PM   #11
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Very telling is this:



NPR: (Also has a good and fair general overview of him) https://www.npr.org/2018/07/09/62616...ntent=20180709
Is that a very unusual legal theory?
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//Trying to put a silver lining on it// Blessing in disguise. He picked a guy solely on how much it benefited him, so didn't pick some hardcore ultraconservative hard liner.

Again my gut is this is a softball pitch and they are saving the big fight for the next one.

I hate to be this cynical but... Ginsburg. 85 years old, two time cancer survivor, arguably the most liberal member of the court and hits all the Republican triggers. When she steps down or dies... that replacement is gonna be hard core conservative and that's the one they are going fight long and dirty to get in. They are saving their political and PR capital for that one.
Unless something really weird comes out, I think we (liberals) dodged a bullet. And I think if Trump is subpoened, SCOTUS will support it, and probably unanimously.
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Trump chose someone he thinks will protect him if needed.
Not a doubt in my mind.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
//Trying to put a silver lining on it// Blessing in disguise. He picked a guy solely on how much it benefited him, so didn't pick some hardcore ultraconservative hard liner.

Again my gut is this is a softball pitch and they are saving the big fight for the next one.

I hate to be this cynical but... Ginsburg. 85 years old, two time cancer survivor, arguably the most liberal member of the court and hits all the Republican triggers. When she steps down or dies... that replacement is gonna be hard core conservative and that's the one they are going fight long and dirty to get in. They are saving their political and PR capital for that one.
Agreed! For Trump, the fact Kavanaugh has clearly stated he does not think a sitting president should be investigated or indicted is what Trump was really after. That Kavanaugh is not a hardcore ultraconservative will likely get him the votes he needs from (the couple of remaining) moderate Republicans and maybe even a few Dems up for re-election in red states.

The big fight will come when Ginsburg dies or retires. If Trump is re-elected (how I hate the mere thought of it!), she will definitely be replaced during his presidency.

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Kavanaugh will probably vote to overturn Roe vs Wade if a case comes up. After all, he tried to make an undocumented girl not have access to abortion while in DHHS custody.
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He gave a great speech. He has a great backstory.

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Kavanaugh will probably vote to overturn Roe vs Wade if a case comes up. After all, he tried to make an undocumented girl not have access to abortion while in DHHS custody.
They’re never gonna formally overturn Roe. In our era of bad faith what you do with prior precedent is render it useless while leaving it formally in place so you (and your bad faith defenders) can claim it was not overturned and that saying so is shrill nonsense.

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This seems like the more accurate outcome.
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The one thing is of all the three branches SCOTUS is the one that marches to party line the least. Both parties have nominated safe, presumably "on their side" Justices only to have them break rank at least some of the time.
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Why won't the zombie corpse of ****** 90's politics die already. I mean who didn’t want discussions of the Starr investigation dominating confirmation hearings.
Don't forget Vince Foster conspiracy theories.
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Don't forget Vince Foster conspiracy theories.
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Kavanaugh will probably vote to overturn Roe vs Wade if a case comes up. After all, he tried to make an undocumented girl not have access to abortion while in DHHS custody.

This is my biggest problem with him. He tried to deny a legal medical procedure to a person for no reason other than that the current federal administration doesn't like it.

Unfortunately, he'll get pushed through. A couple Democratic senators will get to yell at him for a few minutes, but he'll go through.

ETA: On the facts, a judge had already found that the pregnant 17 year-old girl met the exception to the parental consent law. Kavanaugh didn't dissent based on her age or lack of parental consent. He specifically stated that the US government had the right to obstruct actions it found morally offensive.
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So no more cakes for the gay weddings.
Forward to 2020: what gay weddings? What abortion?
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2 more reasons people should be a little concerned about Kavanaugh...

- He is against against Net neutrality (although the FCC is repealing net neutrality, there are some court cases that may end up in the supreme court.)

- He sees no problem with the NSA's data collection of phone meta-data

I really have the wonder about the logical disconnect in the brains of some of Trump's supporters (such as the type that read InfoWars.) Here they are, so concerned about government conspiracies and overreach, yet they support Trump, who ended up nominating a judge who is likely to allow such overreach to continue.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/09/br...eutrality-nsa/
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So now a majority of Supreme Court Judges belong to the Federalist Society - no problem there, right?
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
The one thing is of all the three branches SCOTUS is the one that marches to party line the least. Both parties have nominated safe, presumably "on their side" Justices only to have them break rank at least some of the time.
Souter is the most recent prime example, although I should also give a nod to Chief Justice Roberts, who went liberal on the most important SC decision of his career to date.

It will be amusing to hear all the Democratic senators blathering on about the importance of stare decisis over the next week or two. Never mind that many of the important cases decided over the last 60 years or so have ignored historical precedent. Brown v. Board of Education is simply the most obvious example--would anybody care to contend that Plessy should have remained the law of the land, and segregation in education continued? How about Dred Scott or Koramatsu?
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Except for him deciding the wrong way on everything there's nothing to object to.
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Kavanaugh will probably vote to overturn Roe vs Wade if a case comes up. After all, he tried to make an undocumented girl not have access to abortion while in DHHS custody.
Good.
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Good.
If she'd had a baby in the US it would have been a citizen, and then she could stay.
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They won't overturn Roe, just hollow it out.

They will, however, rubber-stamp any and all GOP gerrymandering and anti-LGBT discrimination.
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If she'd had a baby in the US it would have been a citizen, and then she could stay.
I just meant overturning roe. It was a bad decision. We should fight for a pro choice amendment.
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I just meant overturning roe. It was a bad decision. We should fight for a pro choice amendment.
Why?
The Constitution doesn't define fertilized oocytes as people, only religious nutjobs do.
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Why?
The Constitution doesn't define fertilized oocytes as people, only religious nutjobs do.
Which is why that is a legislative question, not a constitutional one, unfortunately.
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Has anyone gone from literally 'Hitler' to 'Predictable and Practical' in two years?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/polit...nee/index.html
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If she'd had a baby in the US it would have been a citizen, and then she could stay.

The baby could stay, but they could still deport the mother. It happens. "You have to leave, your kid can stay." Unsurprisingly, many illegal parents tend to take their children with them. "Hardship on an American citizen" isn't what it used to be.
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So no more cakes for the gay weddings.
Forward to 2020: what gay weddings? What abortion?
2024 sure is nice that all the gays are in those nice camps next to the mexicans.
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If she'd had a baby in the US it would have been a citizen, and then she could stay.
Not if Trump has his way.

On the pluss side does that mean we can strip citizenship from his kids and grandkids?
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Has anyone gone from literally 'Hitler' to 'Predictable and Practical' in two years?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/09/polit...nee/index.html
You're seeing hypocrisy where there is none. He's predictably a dictator wannabe.
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The baby could stay, but they could still deport the mother. It happens. "You have to leave, your kid can stay." Unsurprisingly, many illegal parents tend to take their children with them. "Hardship on an American citizen" isn't what it used to be.
Not to defend this in anyway, but the fact that the United States practices "Birthright" citizenship when most other major developed western democracies don't is a factor in all this.

Why Jus Soli is the default on the American continent but nearly unheard of in Europe, Asia, or Africa is not a crazy question to ask.
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It will be amusing to hear all the Democratic senators blathering on about the importance of stare decisis over the next week or two. Never mind that many of the important cases decided over the last 60 years or so have ignored historical precedent. Brown v. Board of Education is simply the most obvious example--would anybody care to contend that Plessy should have remained the law of the land, and segregation in education continued? How about Dred Scott or Koramatsu?
First of all, I think there is a difference between a precedent that EXTENDS human rights/equality and one that limits human rights/equality. American society values (as well as laws and judicial rulings) have given more freedoms over the years and some people don't really want to lose that.

Secondly, are you actually saying its perfectly acceptable to (for example) overturn Roe v. Wade because other historical precedents have been overturned in the past?
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