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Old 5th September 2018, 03:24 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
Does anyone really believe the Democrats (or the Republicans) care what is in those documents?
I care.
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Old 5th September 2018, 03:38 PM   #202
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They aren't looking for themselves; they're looking to convince some (two) Republicans. I don't think at this point they're foolish enough to try to shame any of them, but I do think they're trying to find something a somewhat moral Republican could use as political cover to oppose the nomination.

That hypothetical Republican could cite the Republican's own arguments about nominations already, and if it is found that he did commit perjury during his initial confirmation provably, then this hypothetical Republican could make the argument 'we have plenty of good potential nominees who don't lie'.

Maybe. After what the GOP has shown itself to be, I doubt any living Republican would take that risk now. That GOP supporters are throwing such hypocritical shade at Dems for trying to do the most basic due diligence does not bode well for reasoning or shame working on them.
Nonsense. The GOP is not entirely made of Trump enthusiasts. Two could be swayed (Collins of Maine is a totally independent voice, leaning to confirm, but could be swayed).
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Old 5th September 2018, 03:39 PM   #203
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I care.
Just to be clear: Canadians don't count. Duh.

Good to see you back but duh.
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Old 5th September 2018, 05:42 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I care.
I should have specified I meant the DC politicians.
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Old 5th September 2018, 09:47 PM   #205
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Lindsay Graham is making an effing ass hole of himself in the Kavanaugh hearing. He's going on and on about how all the partisan divide happened recently and Graham is so sorry all these appointments are not getting 90 votes blah blah blah, elections have consequences blah blah blah.

Not one ******* word about Obama's right to appoint Merrick Garland and how Garland should have gotten 90 votes.

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Old 5th September 2018, 10:00 PM   #206
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Rubio's argument is that because we all knew a SCOTUS judge was in the balance with the 2016 election, and because Trump put out his Federalist list of candidates, therefore the US public voted a mandate for Trump's nominees.

I'm sorry alt-whiters, that ain't how it works. There was Russian interference, decades of false attacks against Clinton, misogyny, the EC, Trump's convincing con, and Comey's interference. Just because McConnell pulled some unethical shenanigans and claimed the election was going to be about the open SCOTUS seat, does not mean that was the one critical factor all voters were focused on. It disgusts me to hear yet more lies.
Exactly. There was the EC. 538 people get to vote for president and they cast a fair vote.
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Old 5th September 2018, 10:06 PM   #207
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Good for him.
I have no respect for anyone who cannot entertain and discuss hypothetical questions.
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Old 5th September 2018, 10:08 PM   #208
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Lindsay Graham is making an effing ass hole of himself in the Kavanaugh hearing. He's going on and on about how all the partisan divide happened recently and Graham is so sorry all these appointments are not getting 90 votes blah blah blah, elections have consequences blah blah blah.

Not one ******* word about Obama's right to appoint Merrick Garland and how Garland should have gotten 90 votes.

A) he didnt have a right to appoint. He had the power to nominate.

B) Garland didn't get a vote. He may have received 90 votes if he did.
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Old 5th September 2018, 10:28 PM   #209
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Lindsay Graham is making an effing ass hole of himself in the Kavanaugh hearing. He's going on and on about how all the partisan divide happened recently and Graham is so sorry all these appointments are not getting 90 votes blah blah blah, elections have consequences blah blah blah.

Not one ******* word about Obama's right to appoint Merrick Garland and how Garland should have gotten 90 votes.

Look on the bright side. Kavanaugh is 53 years old. Best case scenario, he'll only be on the court for at most 40 years.

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Old 5th September 2018, 10:30 PM   #210
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A) he didnt have a right to appoint. He had the power to nominate.

B) Garland didn't get a vote. He may have received 90 votes if he did.
I'm sorry that you missed the point of my post. Better luck next time.
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Old 5th September 2018, 10:31 PM   #211
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I'm sorry that you missed the point of my post. Better luck next time.
You don't get a straussian meaning in your post when your words are so very, very wrong.
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Old 6th September 2018, 12:22 AM   #212
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https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1037514830490607617

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@senkamalaharris asks if Judge Kavanaugh has discussed Mueller Investigation with anyone at Kasowitz Benson Torres law firm.

#Kavanaugh: "I would like to know the person you're thinking of."

Sen. Harris: "I think you're thinking of someone and you don't want to tell us."
Video embedded in tweet. Video of the full exchange embedded in the following tweet.

Oh and, for those curious, the law firm in question has 7 people in DC
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Old 6th September 2018, 02:22 AM   #213
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
I should have specified I meant the DC politicians.
I know. I was illustrating that many people care, and that therefore we can expect some politicians to care as well.
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Old 6th September 2018, 02:23 AM   #214
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A) he didnt have a right to appoint. He had the power to nominate.
If you want to get pedant, and I know you do, Congress doesn't have the right to appoint, either. It has the power to confirm.
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Old 6th September 2018, 03:06 AM   #215
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Video of the full exchange embedded in the following tweet.
Note how he refuses to give a straight answer to the question of whether he's spoken to anybody other than his fellow judges about Mueller's investigation. The answer, however, is obviously "yes", because if it were "no" then he wouldn't need to know who worked at Trump's lawyers' firm in order to say that he'd not spoken to anybody there about it.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I have no respect for anyone who cannot entertain and discuss hypothetical questions.
that is not all he said, now was it
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Old 6th September 2018, 06:05 AM   #217
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that is not all he said, now was it
It is. He didn't answer those hypotheticals. That is a disqualifying failure as a human being.
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I see the "spontaneous" "protesters" at the hearing were getting paid cash after performances.
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Old 6th September 2018, 06:11 AM   #219
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It is. He didn't answer those hypotheticals. That is a disqualifying failure as a human being.
Your answer "it is" is a lie.

answering hypothetical is not a defining feature of a human being.

Refusal to entertain incomplete hypothetical is the duty of a judge. Actual Controversy:

An actual controversy is a constitutional requirement (Found in found in Art. III, Section 2, Clause 1) for federal courts that demands there be a real dispute between two parties capable of being resolved by the court, as opposed to a hypothetical case brought in an attempt to get the court to issue an advisory opinion.

And those are, as they say, the facts
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Old 6th September 2018, 06:15 AM   #220
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Your answer "it is" is a lie.

answering hypothetical is not a defining feature of a human being.

Refusal to entertain incomplete hypothetical is the duty of a judge. Actual Controversy:

An actual controversy is a constitutional requirement (Found in found in Art. III, Section 2, Clause 1) for federal courts that demands there be a real dispute between two parties capable of being resolved by the court, as opposed to a hypothetical case brought in an attempt to get the court to issue an advisory opinion.

And those are, as they say, the facts
It is the absolutely defining feature and what I primarily judge every human being by. This isnt a hypothetical case brought before him. It isn't a case. It is a hypothetical. His refusal to answer it is a disqualifying moral failing.
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It is the absolutely defining feature and what I primarily judge every human being by. This isnt a hypothetical case brought before him. It isn't a case. It is a hypothetical. His refusal to answer it is a disqualifying moral failing.
lolz, k.

my defining feature is when people deliberately lie about what he said (protip: he said he had never researched the issue, and it had never come before him, which you should have mentioned)
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Old 6th September 2018, 06:21 AM   #222
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lolz, k.

my defining feature is when people deliberately lie about what he said (protip: he said he had never researched the issue, and it had never come before him, which you should have mentioned)
I didnt like about what he said. He didn't entertain the hypothetical. None of those are adequate reasons to not entertain it.
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I see the "spontaneous" "protesters" at the hearing were getting paid cash after performances.
Well, someone who re-tweets Fox News and Sarah Sanders has claimed that protesters were being paid on the way in, anyway.
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I see the "spontaneous" "protesters" at the hearing were getting paid cash after performances.

Performance art, with zero impact on the outcome.

Might as well start calling him Justice Kavanaugh, it's a done deal. Come October he'll have already been sworn in.
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I see the "spontaneous" "protesters" at the hearing were getting paid cash after performances.
Who says? Prove it.
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I have no respect for anyone who cannot entertain and discuss hypothetical questions.
I'm sure he can. But it does no actual good to do so in this context. These hearings are not actually a setting for reasoned discussion and nuanced consideration. They are an attempt to generate soundbites which can be used for partisan political purposes.
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I'm sure he can. But it does no actual good to do so in this context. These hearings are not actually a setting for reasoned discussion and nuanced consideration. They are an attempt to generate soundbites which can be used for partisan political purposes.
And his unwillingness to take the bait is disqualifying.
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Who says?
This guy
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And his unwillingness to take the bait is disqualifying.
That is a nonsensical standard.
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That is a nonsensical standard.
You are free to your opinion.
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Well, someone who re-tweets Fox News and Sarah Sanders has claimed that protesters were being paid on the way in, anyway.
Oh man, there was a time when people here from all sides of the political divide would rush to point out that is a blatant ad hominem fallacy.

The someone who retweets Fox news has actual pictures of the actual cash changing hands and the guy actually handing out the cash admitted he was doing it.

But the guy who took the pictures RETWEETS FOX NEWS FOLKS.
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You are free to your opinion.
As are you, obviously. But that's not much of a defense of your claim.
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I see the "spontaneous" "protesters" at the hearing were getting paid cash after performances.
Such a weird conspiracy theory.

Trump is very unpopular and so is Kavanaugh as a SCOTUS nominee.

Why do conservative conspiracy theorists imagine the need for paid protesters?
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As are you, obviously. But that's not much of a defense of your claim.
I don't think I have to defend why I do and do not respect.
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I don't think I have to defend why I do and do not respect.
Sure, you don't have to But it helps if you want to persuade other people to adopt a similar outlook, or even understand why you take the position that you do. If you're not interested in communicating more deeply than just announcing your feelings, I'm not sure why you're even posting here.
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Sure, you don't have to But it helps if you want to persuade other people to adopt a similar outlook, or even understand why you take the position that you do. If you're not interested in communicating more deeply than just announcing your feelings, I'm not sure why you're even posting here.
Oops. I let my excitement get the best of me. Yes, I have no interest in persuading anyone on this point and retract discussion of it.
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THREAD: Between 2001 and 2003, Republican Senate staffers hacked into and stole 4,670 files on controversial Bush judicial nominees from 6 Democrats, including me. This scandal amounted to a digital Watergate, not unlike Russia’s hacking of the DNC.
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Cory Booker is having a sensational hissy fit.

And then he will go running back to the email system and immediately start asking for money, again.

******* snake.
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The someone who retweets Fox news has actual pictures of the actual cash changing hands and the guy actually handing out the cash admitted he was doing it.
Well, the actual claim is that she said that she was giving people money to pay off fines

For someone who is so het up about this story, you seem to consistently get the details wrong. Even after I linked to the source of the claims for you.
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Well, the actual claim is that she said that she was giving people money to pay off fines

For someone who is so het up about this story, you seem to consistently get the details wrong. Even after I linked to the source of the claims for you.
Slow golf clap, wow, every single thing I wrote was correct, except it was a woman who admitted it, not the man photographed actually giving the cash out.

Zoinks that is a real game changer!

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