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Old 29th August 2018, 11:56 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And not even then. Civics are notoirous in the US as a boring class which students regard as a "pass and forget" course.
Often with considerable justidication, The civics class I took in High School was incredibly boring,and I have always been interested in politics.
Well, the topic is not intrinsically boring, so at least one could imagine making it engaging.
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Old 29th August 2018, 11:59 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
If a Trump Minime had called GIllum a N Word, you would still defend it.
If I had some bologna, I'd have bologna and whipped cream. If I had any whipped cream.

Now the word monkey is going into the racist bin I guess.

Stupid DeSantis...we'll never hear the end of this now.

No wonder I stay out of politics.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I keep hearing that, but I guess my experiences as a white Canadian don't quite match up, so I'd ask: what "superior position" is that? I get the idea of bias and systemic advantages, but it's not something you usually notice. My life success is wholly based on the efforts of my father, not my skin colour, but then, there was essentially zero black people where I grew up, so that's a terrible example.

Anyway, wondering how that "fear losing their privilege" works in the wild, as giving rights to others doesn't negate yours, so I've always been slightly confused by this one.
I dont follow you. Race is a social cultural component and everyone has their own. Whether you were born and raised in the wilderness or in the big city.
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Old 29th August 2018, 12:03 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post

Now the word monkey is going into the racist bin I guess.
This particular slur is over 100 years old.
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Old 29th August 2018, 12:04 PM   #165
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If De Santis was not saying that delibertly, then he's an idiot. If he had used the words "Mess up" there would be no controversy.
I am sure that De Santis will win, and I am sure he will be disaster for the state of Florida.
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Old 29th August 2018, 12:07 PM   #166
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I dont follow you. Race is a social cultural component and everyone has their own. Whether you were born and raised in the wilderness or in the big city.
I'm simply trying to understand how this 'loss of social status' thing works, since I've never lived anywhere where this dynamic existed.
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Old 29th August 2018, 12:08 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
If I had some bologna, I'd have bologna and whipped cream. If I had any whipped cream.

Now the word monkey is going into the racist bin I guess.

Stupid DeSantis...we'll never hear the end of this now.

No wonder I stay out of politics.
It's been in the racist bin for a very long time. Most recently Roseanne Barr.
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I also am really thinking that number of people have decided that Racism is a "Necessary Evil"; that in order to get things they want (Tax cuts, Superme court Justices,etc) they are willing to tolerate bigotry.
IMHO this is truly a disasterous and short sighted attitude. It is scary like the German COnservatives who in 1933 decided that Hitler was a "Necessary Evil" to get the bright shiny things they wanted.
And they alos thought they could "Control" Hitler and Nazis. We all know how that turned out.
GOdwin be damned it needed to be said. Using bigotry as some kind of political weapon is alwlays evil, whether it used "sincerely" or as a cynical political weapon.
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I'm simply trying to understand how this 'loss of social status' thing works, since I've never lived anywhere where this dynamic existed.
Me either. America's racial politics are weird.

However, even I know De Santis is being racist that's how obvious it is.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
GOdwin be damned it needed to be said.
I think we live in times where bringing up Hitler in these conversations might be pretty damned on point.
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Old 29th August 2018, 12:18 PM   #171
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I also am really thinking that number of people have decided that Racism is a "Necessary Evil"; that in order to get things they want (Tax cuts, Superme court Justices,etc) they are willing to tolerate bigotry.
IMHO this is truly a disasterous and short sighted attitude. It is scary like the German COnservatives who in 1933 decided that Hitler was a "Necessary Evil" to get the bright shiny things they wanted.
And they alos thought they could "Control" Hitler and Nazis. We all know how that turned out.
GOdwin be damned it needed to be said. Using bigotry as some kind of political weapon is alwlays evil, whether it used "sincerely" or as a cynical political weapon.
Nature of a two party system. Large swaths of republicans won't vote for Democrats, no matter what. If the lunatic fringe can ram their candidate through the primary, they can count on reliable Republicans voters to pull the lever. If they aren't racist, they at least don't see racism as a dealbreaker.
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Old 29th August 2018, 12:19 PM   #172
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Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
Me either. America's racial politics are weird.

However, even I know De Santis is being racist that's how obvious it is.
EIther racist or a idiot, take your pick....I suspect the former rather then the latter.
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If DeSantis had said "Don't throw a monkey wrench into the election by going socialist..." it would still have been a "racist dog whistle".

If candidates can't see how things are perceived, or used, they are destined for this sort of outcome.

He's probably lost the race right here, because this will be quoted from now until election night.

He'll just have to try to overcome it, but I think it's a tough road once the label gets applied.
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Old 29th August 2018, 12:23 PM   #174
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Nature of a two party system. Large swaths of republicans won't vote for Democrats, no matter what. If the lunatic fringe can ram their candidate through the primary, they can count on reliable Republicans voters to pull the lever. If they aren't racist, they at least don't see racism as a dealbreaker.
As someone in Canada that's quite alien to me. Every election cycle I check the platforms of each major party to decide which way I go. I have zero party loyalty.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
He's probably lost the race right here
I see what you did there.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
If DeSantis had said "Don't throw a monkey wrench into the election by going socialist..." it would still have been a "racist dog whistle".

If candidates can't see how things are perceived, or used, they are destined for this sort of outcome.

He's probably lost the race right here, because this will be quoted from now until election night.

He'll just have to try to overcome it, but I think it's a tough road once the label gets applied.
If he had said monkey wrench it wouldn't be obvious and certainly wouldn't have been the dog whistle it was. America has had a long dark history of the racist simian comparison.

I find it hard to believe he's that racially oblivious.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
If DeSantis had said "Don't throw a monkey wrench into the election by going socialist..." it would still have been a "racist dog whistle".

If candidates can't see how things are perceived, or used, they are destined for this sort of outcome.

He's probably lost the race right here, because this will be quoted from now until election night.

He'll just have to try to overcome it, but I think it's a tough road once the label gets applied.

Yeah, that strategy worked so well against Donald Trump. Definitely worth another try:
"You could put half of DeSantis' supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. Some of those folks are irredeemable.”
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If he had said monkey wrench it wouldn't be obvious and certainly wouldn't have been the dog whistle it was. America has had a long dark history of the racist simian comparison.

I find it hard to believe he's that racially oblivious.
Well, he gave the opposition something they could certainly use, at a time when it will be used more widely and more often than ever, so he's only got himself to blame for what is surely an election losing statement.
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Yeah, that strategy worked so well against Donald Trump. Definitely worth another try:
"You could put half of DeSantis' supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. Some of those folks are irredeemable.”
I think things are different since Trump though. People aren't going to sit back and expect a loss, like they did with Trump, and be shocked on election day.
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As someone in Canada that's quite alien to me. Every election cycle I check the platforms of each major party to decide which way I go. I have zero party loyalty.
Oh, I am sure Canada has it share of Mickey Mouse Voters....voters who will always vote for their party's candidates no matter what.
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Oh, I am sure Canada has it share of Mickey Mouse Voters....voters who will always vote for their party's candidates no matter what.
Yes, yes. I was talking about myself specifically, but I think a system like we have here is more flexible in that regard.
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Nature of a two party system. Large swaths of republicans won't vote for Democrats, no matter what. If the lunatic fringe can ram their candidate through the primary, they can count on reliable Republicans voters to pull the lever. If they aren't racist, they at least don't see racism as a dealbreaker.
I guess its a philosophical question... can a person vote for a known bigot/racist (where the racism is on full display, and significantly impacts the candidate's policies and election tactics) and NOT be considered a racist themselves?

Personally I think that if a person engages in the type of bigotry that Trump engages in, then anyone who votes for them deserves to be labeled a 'racist', regardless of how much they want those tax cuts/etc.
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I guess its a philosophical question... can a person vote for a known bigot/racist (where the racism is on full display, and significantly impacts the candidate's policies and election tactics) and NOT be considered a racist themselves?

Personally I think that if a person engages in the type of bigotry that Trump engages in, then anyone who votes for them deserves to be labeled a 'racist', regardless of how much they want those tax cuts/etc.
And if somebody votes for Keith Ellison, they deserve to be labeled as a domestic abuser.
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I guess its a philosophical question... can a person vote for a known bigot/racist (where the racism is on full display, and significantly impacts the candidate's policies and election tactics) and NOT be considered a racist themselves?

Personally I think that if a person engages in the type of bigotry that Trump engages in, then anyone who votes for them deserves to be labeled a 'racist', regardless of how much they want those tax cuts/etc.

I don't think it makes much difference as to motives if you support racism.
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And if somebody votes for Keith Ellison, they deserve to be labeled as a domestic abuser.
So "Whattaboutims" is all you got?
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No bigotry in the Trump Administration, no siree:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.1f408514bfc6
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It will probably help his fundraising, but it's not a position that is going to get moderate Republicans to flock to his banner.
I agree, but I don't see it turning the moderate republicans off either.
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Until I am proven wrong, I will consiser the GOP to be a parry that does not give a damn about anybody but Trump's White European "Base".
And I maintain that governeing like that..which is exactly what Trump is doing, will lead to disaster to this country.
It's sad that racism and bigotry are now acceptable in the GOP..as long as use a few code words, And I would not be surprised if the code words are gone before long.
Its all about White DOmination of this country...a turning back to the days when White Male had a monopoly on power and influence. At least that is the only conclusion I can drawe from what is going on,once you cut through all the crap code words and dog whistles.
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I agree, but I don't see it turning the moderate republicans off either.
The term Moderate Republican is rapidly becoming, IMHO a mythical creature.
If you support Trump, you are not a moderate.
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Well, he gave the opposition something they could certainly use, at a time when it will be used more widely and more often than ever, so he's only got himself to blame for what is surely an election losing statement.
The problem of course is how the hell do you use it? Not that simple. If I was Gillum, I wouldn't use it personally at all. However, I'd try and find a way maybe to have surrogates use it and then only in certain areas.
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Florida Governors Race
Republican votes cast: 1,610,016
Democratic votes cast: 1,494,452
Thanks. I stand corrected. Was reading the wrong info that night.
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No bigotry in the Trump Administration, no siree:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.1f408514bfc6
Better that a hundred innocent people be locked up than one illegal allowed to be free.

CBP, ICE, Homeland Security.... these are not going to just be the legacy of Trump. They existed pre-Trump and were of this mindset all along but have been unleashed by Trumpism. I've seen this attitude for years from US Customs - they are not there to facilitate imports which provide jobs and boosts for the local economy. They are there to PROTECT 'Murrica! The job attracts a large segment with a nationalistic-xenophobic mindset. And that's Customs Officers. The other arms are pure enforcement and attract a whole lot more, I reckon.
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As we've seen from this thread, the "monkey" comment was an effective dog-whistle as it gave the Trumpists a thin veneer of (im-)plausible doubt.

Shame on you.
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I guess its a philosophical question... can a person vote for a known bigot/racist (where the racism is on full display, and significantly impacts the candidate's policies and election tactics) and NOT be considered a racist themselves?

Personally I think that if a person engages in the type of bigotry that Trump engages in, then anyone who votes for them deserves to be labeled a 'racist', regardless of how much they want those tax cuts/etc.
Exactly. As I said, it's not that difficult to distinguish between "I get a bit nervous when I see a black/Latino guy walking towards me but I get over it", and "Send the wetbacks back to Mexico."

Dolt 45 is, obviously, the latter, which is why I point out that he's actually a white supremacist - it's not some little gut feeling, it's outright insistence on that government should penalize people due to their skin color or ancestry. Support for the current idiot president is, necessarily, support for the latter (along with polluted water and air, handing money from the lower and middle classes to the very wealthy, and so forth).

Had this guy quickly apologized, and not appeared at an event with Steve Bannon and Milo whoever, and wasn't helping run a hateful facebook group, then maybe he'd get the benefit of the doubt. As things stand now, no.
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Exactly. As I said, it's not that difficult to distinguish between "I get a bit nervous when I see a black/Latino guy walking towards me but I get over it", and "Send the wetbacks back to Mexico."

Dolt 45 is, obviously, the latter, which is why I point out that he's actually a white supremacist
Anyway, he has a history of racial discrimination so...
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Not sure if we got this already:

C.I.A. Officer-Turned-Candidate Says PAC Obtained Her Security Application
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/u...super-pac.html

looks like a pro-GOP PAC obtained the full Security Clearance Application of a former CIA Officer now Democratic Candidate for the Midterms and has leaked bits of it to the Press.
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I'm going to hazard a guess that whoever handed over those details did something really rather illegal.
And if the GOP know who it was, then I would assume that they would be breaking the law by hiding that information?

ETA: Make that the pro-GOP PAC...rather than GOP.
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Beto getting a boost from the Cruz Campaign.

The comments are better here, though.
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I really like Beto. If he can win in Texas, 'oh boy'.
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I really like Beto. If he can win in Texas, 'oh boy'.
Hmm tweeting about his DWI arrest? I mean the Texas GOP would never nominate someone with a DWI on their record for political office now would they
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