[Continuation] The Trump Presidency IX: Nein, Nein! - Page 9

Captain_Swoop · 21st August 2018, 02:42 PM

I may miss it. I have to be out early tomorrow to work (for a change)

C_Felix · 21st August 2018, 02:50 PM

I would love for one of the more vocal democrats voice the following: No SCOTUS nomination for Trump until all the rocks have been turned over and all the dust has settled.

Resume · 21st August 2018, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

He has a rally in West Virginia tonight. It's going to be a special one.

Originally Posted by chrispy

hoo-boy...

Originally Posted by C_Felix

It is going to be fun watching him try to stick to the script.

"LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!!

Stacyhs · 21st August 2018, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

"LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!!

BENGHAZI! EMAILS! SQUIRREL! SHINY!

Stacko · 21st August 2018, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I can't wait for the FOX spin on this.

Tonight's programing will be something like this:

Hannity: Qanon special
Tucker: Did you know it's still legal to be black in America?
Ingram: Repeats the 14 words for an hour

dudalb · 21st August 2018, 03:02 PM

And reports that Omorosa will relase one of her tapes tonight. The bad news just ain't stopping today for Donnie.

dudalb · 21st August 2018, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

Tonight's programing will be something like this:

Hannity: Qanon special
Tucker: Did you know it's still legal to be black in America?
Ingram: Repeats the 14 words for an hour

"And remember, Big Brother Is Watching"....

crescent · 21st August 2018, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

"LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!!

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

BENGHAZI! EMAILS! SQUIRREL! SHINY!

QANON! PIZZAGATE! URANIUM!

For a whole lot of people, this will all just motivate increased insanity.

dudalb · 21st August 2018, 03:07 PM

Trump just said he feels "very Badly" about Manafort conviction.
Not as badly as he is going to feel I think,when the full impact hits....

acbytesla · 21st August 2018, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I can't wait for the FOX spin on this.

I doubt this is the last crime Trump will be implicated in by the time Mueller is through. No wonder Trump's been working overtime trying to discredit it. He knew what was coming. And what is yet to come, most likely.

Cohen or Manafort? Cohen is much trickier but they will just say he's a backstabbing snake that is lying just to save himself. With Manafort, it's basically, this has nothing to do with Trump.

Tsukasa Buddha · 21st August 2018, 03:17 PM

I set very low expectations about the Cohen and Manafort trials. I feel relieved for once. It is odd.

SezMe · 21st August 2018, 03:29 PM

If you're as old as dirt, like me, you may remember that series done by Walter Cronkite in which historical events were recreated. I forget the name but he always ended with "... and you were there."

History in the makin', babe. History in the makin;'. And we are here.

dudalb · 21st August 2018, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

If you're as old as dirt, like me, you may remember that series done by Walter Cronkite in which historical events were recreated. I forget the name but he always ended with "... and you were there."

History in the makin', babe. History in the makin;'. And we are here.

Man, makes me feel like I was 8 years old again, watching Watergate unfold on TV.

SezMe · 21st August 2018, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

So, we'll have to wait and see whether Cohen has actually flipped on Trump, or whether the plea deal was just a way to prevent the case going to trial (where there are no guarantees of success by either side.)

According to Toobin on CNN it may not matter. He said if the Dems win the House they can give Cohen immunity and then he HAS to appear and HAS to testify. No 5th because he'd have immunity. I'd pay to see that.

SezMe · 21st August 2018, 03:36 PM

Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (R-Calif.) and wife indicted on charges they used campaign money for personal expenses

Perfect timing for Hunter - nobody will notice or give a ****.

Not a good day for the GOP. *snort* Where's logger when you really need him?

Paul2 · 21st August 2018, 03:45 PM

Lanny Davis (paraphrase): if it’s a crime for Cohen [and Cohen says Trump directed him to do it] then why isn’t it a crime for Trump?

TICK. TOCK.

C_Felix · 21st August 2018, 03:50 PM

Nevermind.

Apathia · 21st August 2018, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

If you're as old as dirt, like me, you may remember that series done by Walter Cronkite in which historical events were recreated. I forget the name but he always ended with "... and you were there."

History in the makin', babe. History in the makin;'. And we are here.

You Are There!

AnonyMoose · 21st August 2018, 03:52 PM

Oh man...

The "Fixer" implicating his decades-long BFF with colluding and participating in campaign finance violations. Cohen sung like a canary on a warm and sunny Saturday morning.

This is friggin better than sex, amusement parks, fuzzy slippers, and mint chocolate chip ice cream all rolled up into one.

Someone pass the popcorn !

crescent · 21st August 2018, 03:52 PM

The clutch pedal goes to the floor, the hand grips the shifter.

Get ready for second gear.

dudalb · 21st August 2018, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (R-Calif.) and wife indicted on charges they used campaign money for personal expenses

Perfect timing for Hunter - nobody will notice or give a ****.

Not a good day for the GOP. *snort* Where's logger when you really need him?

t's almost fun to have some good old fashioned .uncomplicated Tammany Hall/Chicago Machine type corruption like that.

dudalb · 21st August 2018, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Paul2

Lanny Davis (paraphrase): if it’s a crime for Cohen [and Cohen says Trump directed him to do it] then why isn’t it a crime for Trump?

TICK. TOCK.

It is. First week of freshman Criminal Law in Law School stuff. THe person giving orders for a crime is just as guilty as the person who actually commits the crime. Applies to any criminal boss, From a Mafia Don, to a Terrorist Leader to a POTUS....
That is why Charles Manson died in prison. He never actually, personally commited a murder, Just gave the orders.

Stacko · 21st August 2018, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (R-Calif.) and wife indicted on charges they used campaign money for personal expenses

Perfect timing for Hunter - nobody will notice or give a ****.

Not a good day for the GOP. *snort* Where's logger when you really need him?

Now the first (Chris Collins) and second (Hunter) congressmen to endorse Daft Taft are under investigation.

Skeptic Ginger · 21st August 2018, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And reports that Omorosa will relase one of her tapes tonight. The bad news just ain't stopping today for Donnie.

She's on Hardball right now.

CapelDodger · 21st August 2018, 04:04 PM

I'm not sure this Nunberg guy is helping.

Quote:

“So what do they have?” he asked of the prosecutors. “That Cohen paid off a woman and Trump told him to? My argument would be Trump has done this before, this wasn’t his first rodeo doing this.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rt-in-new-york

CapelDodger · 21st August 2018, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Stacko

Now the first (Chris Collins) and second (Hunter) congressmen to endorse Daft Taft are under investigation.

How very tidy. Any idea who was third?

Tsukasa Buddha · 21st August 2018, 04:06 PM

Fox News is pushing the "illegal immigrant murdered innocent woman" story hard.

alfaniner · 21st August 2018, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by C_Felix

Can't wait for the Twitter meltdown.

I'm more afraid of whatever SmartBomb he's going to pull out. This one's got to call for drastic distraction methods.

C_Felix · 21st August 2018, 04:14 PM

Rally is starting.

Yahoo news has a live stream.

newyorkguy · 21st August 2018, 04:21 PM

Quote:

In Charleston, West Virginia, arriving for a rally on Tuesday evening [tonight], Trump told reporters the Manafort verdict was a “disgrace” but ignored shouted questions about Cohen.

And....

Quote:

"Tonight you're going to see one of those media moments where several networks cover the news, and Fox dedicates 80% of their airtime to a local crime story," Republican political consultant Rick Wilson tweeted. Link

dudalb · 21st August 2018, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha

Fox News is pushing the "illegal immigrant murdered innocent woman" story hard.

Of course they are. You expect anything else?

Tsukasa Buddha · 21st August 2018, 04:24 PM

So far, Trump's speech has just been about patriotism, strong military, the NFL, greatest economy, steel coming back due to tariffs, coal being clean and indestructible (?).

Some weird comments about the governor's weight (?).

newyorkguy · 21st August 2018, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha

So far, Trump's speech has just been about patriotism, strong military, the NFL, greatest economy, steel coming back due to tariffs, coal being clean and indestructible (?). Some weird comments about the governor's weight (?).

What, him worry?

Tsukasa Buddha · 21st August 2018, 04:30 PM

The crowd keeps trying to chant "Build the Wall" and "Lock Her Up" and they are just ignoring them. Awkward.

dudalb · 21st August 2018, 04:34 PM

Watching those rallies is truly scary. Never though I would see the open face of Fascism in the US.

newyorkguy · 21st August 2018, 04:43 PM

It's really sad. People at a rally in West Virginia and a major concern of theirs is security on the U.S.'s southern border and illegal immigration?

This is from an Op-Ed in one of the local newspapers in West Virginia published today:

Quote:

By Kendra Fershee (who is running for the Democratic nomination for West Virginia’s First Congressional District.)

I don’t need to spew a bunch of negative statistics to express how difficult life is for many West Virginians right now; all you have to do is look around to see the struggle. But I’ll share a couple of very important measures that indicate the depth of our challenges: the Centers for Disease Control reports that our drug addiction death rates in West Virginia are three times the national average. And those unemployment rates that the Congressman [David McKinley] is so proud of? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, West Virginia’s unemployment rate worsened rapidly between May (4.5 percent) and November (5.3 percent). To the extent that there are businesses in a position to hire people, finding employees that can pass a drug test is a struggle. Small communities are dying (medium and larger communities are also fighting for survival, for that matter), and people are leaving in such large numbers that we are likely to lose a Congressional seat after the 2020 census. Link

Build the wall! Lock her up!

Mumbles · 21st August 2018, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by newyorkguy

It's really sad. People at a rally in West Virginia and a major concern of theirs is security on the U.S.'s southern border and illegal immigration?

This is from an Op-Ed in one of the local newspapers in West Virginia published today:

Build the wall! Lock her up!

Even sadder - while I still think the democrats deserve criticism for not doing enough to attempt to build bridges to areas like this, it's painfully stupid to vote for some buffoon based on misplaced racial grievances and dreams of returning to a 1920s-1950s industry - particularly when voting for a buffoon who openly states that, actually, he'll still screw you over anyway.

...anyway, I'm not listening to Cheeto Benito live, or ever in general.

Skeptic Ginger · 21st August 2018, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Even sadder - while I still think the democrats deserve criticism for not doing enough to attempt to build bridges to areas like this, it's painfully stupid to vote for some buffoon based on misplaced racial grievances and dreams of returning to a 1920s-1950s industry - particularly when voting for a buffoon who openly states that, actually, he'll still screw you over anyway.

...anyway, I'm not listening to Cheeto Benito live, or ever in general.

W. Kamau Bell did a program on the coal country and it turns out there was a decent reeducation program that was leading to new jobs in the area and people were happy with it.

It was unfortunate that Clinton couldn't have countered her negative sound bite about coal jobs by promoting such programs.

quadraginta · 21st August 2018, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Even sadder - while I still think the democrats deserve criticism for not doing enough to attempt to build bridges to areas like this, it's painfully stupid to vote for some buffoon based on misplaced racial grievances and dreams of returning to a 1920s-1950s industry - particularly when voting for a buffoon who openly states that, actually, he'll still screw you over anyway.

...anyway, I'm not listening to Cheeto Benito live, or ever in general.

Aside from trying to peddle the same lies that the Republicans were spewing there weren't very many bridges they could build.

They tried selling actual, feasible approaches to solving the real problems, but the voters there didn't want to hear any of that.

They wanted to hear how someone was going to bring all the coal jobs back. A bridge which had been conclusively burned decades before.

How can you build bridges to people like that?

(And I say this with no small amount of pain, because they are the people I grew up among.)

Cain · 21st August 2018, 05:03 PM

From Rich Lowry (editor of National Review) on Twitter: "Biggest loser from today is clearly Cohen. Manafort is facing much more time, but also has the real prospect of a pardon."

21st August 2018, 02:50 PM	#322
C_Felix Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Just outside Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,902	I would love for one of the more vocal democrats voice the following: No SCOTUS nomination for Trump until all the rocks have been turned over and all the dust has settled.
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21st August 2018, 02:50 PM	#323
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 15,919	Originally Posted by Stacko He has a rally in West Virginia tonight. It's going to be a special one. Originally Posted by chrispy hoo-boy... Originally Posted by C_Felix It is going to be fun watching him try to stick to the script. "LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!!
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21st August 2018, 02:54 PM	#324
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 5,618	Originally Posted by Resume "LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!! BENGHAZI! EMAILS! SQUIRREL! SHINY!
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21st August 2018, 03:02 PM	#326
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 41,534	And reports that Omorosa will relase one of her tapes tonight. The bad news just ain't stopping today for Donnie.
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21st August 2018, 03:03 PM	#327
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 41,534	Originally Posted by Stacko Tonight's programing will be something like this: Hannity: Qanon special Tucker: Did you know it's still legal to be black in America? Ingram: Repeats the 14 words for an hour "And remember, Big Brother Is Watching"....
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21st August 2018, 02:42 PM	#321
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 17,796	I may miss it. I have to be out early tomorrow to work (for a change)

21st August 2018, 03:02 PM	#325
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,168	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I can't wait for the FOX spin on this. Tonight's programing will be something like this: Hannity: Qanon special Tucker: Did you know it's still legal to be black in America? Ingram: Repeats the 14 words for an hour

21st August 2018, 03:03 PM	#328
crescent Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,751	Originally Posted by Resume "LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!! Originally Posted by Stacyhs BENGHAZI! EMAILS! SQUIRREL! SHINY! QANON! PIZZAGATE! URANIUM! For a whole lot of people, this will all just motivate increased insanity.
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21st August 2018, 03:07 PM	#329
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 41,534	Trump just said he feels "very Badly" about Manafort conviction. Not as badly as he is going to feel I think,when the full impact hits....
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21st August 2018, 03:10 PM	#330
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 19,195	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I can't wait for the FOX spin on this. I doubt this is the last crime Trump will be implicated in by the time Mueller is through. No wonder Trump's been working overtime trying to discredit it. He knew what was coming. And what is yet to come, most likely. Cohen or Manafort? Cohen is much trickier but they will just say he's a backstabbing snake that is lying just to save himself. With Manafort, it's basically, this has nothing to do with Trump.
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21st August 2018, 03:17 PM	#331
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 14,848	I set very low expectations about the Cohen and Manafort trials. I feel relieved for once. It is odd.
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21st August 2018, 03:29 PM	#332
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 22,766	If you're as old as dirt, like me, you may remember that series done by Walter Cronkite in which historical events were recreated. I forget the name but he always ended with "... and you were there." History in the makin', babe. History in the makin;'. And we are here.

21st August 2018, 03:32 PM	#333
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 41,534	Originally Posted by SezMe If you're as old as dirt, like me, you may remember that series done by Walter Cronkite in which historical events were recreated. I forget the name but he always ended with "... and you were there." History in the makin', babe. History in the makin;'. And we are here. Man, makes me feel like I was 8 years old again, watching Watergate unfold on TV.
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21st August 2018, 03:32 PM	#334
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 22,766	Originally Posted by Segnosaur So, we'll have to wait and see whether Cohen has actually flipped on Trump, or whether the plea deal was just a way to prevent the case going to trial (where there are no guarantees of success by either side.) According to Toobin on CNN it may not matter. He said if the Dems win the House they can give Cohen immunity and then he HAS to appear and HAS to testify. No 5th because he'd have immunity. I'd pay to see that.

21st August 2018, 03:36 PM	#335
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 22,766	Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (R-Calif.) and wife indicted on charges they used campaign money for personal expenses Perfect timing for Hunter - nobody will notice or give a ***. Not a good day for the GOP. snort* Where's logger when you really need him?

21st August 2018, 03:45 PM	#336
Paul2 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,569	Lanny Davis (paraphrase): if it’s a crime for Cohen [and Cohen says Trump directed him to do it] then why isn’t it a crime for Trump? TICK. TOCK.
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21st August 2018, 03:50 PM	#337
C_Felix Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Just outside Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,902	Nevermind.
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21st August 2018, 03:51 PM	#338
Apathia Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 4,759	Originally Posted by SezMe If you're as old as dirt, like me, you may remember that series done by Walter Cronkite in which historical events were recreated. I forget the name but he always ended with "... and you were there." History in the makin', babe. History in the makin;'. And we are here. You Are There!
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21st August 2018, 03:52 PM	#339
AnonyMoose Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2018 Location: Land of the Frozen Chosen Posts: 259	Oh man... The "Fixer" implicating his decades-long BFF with colluding and participating in campaign finance violations. Cohen sung like a canary on a warm and sunny Saturday morning. This is friggin better than sex, amusement parks, fuzzy slippers, and mint chocolate chip ice cream all rolled up into one. Someone pass the popcorn !
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21st August 2018, 03:52 PM	#340
crescent Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,751	The clutch pedal goes to the floor, the hand grips the shifter. Get ready for second gear.
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21st August 2018, 03:58 PM	#341
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 41,534	Originally Posted by SezMe Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (R-Calif.) and wife indicted on charges they used campaign money for personal expenses Perfect timing for Hunter - nobody will notice or give a ***. Not a good day for the GOP. snort* Where's logger when you really need him? t's almost fun to have some good old fashioned .uncomplicated Tammany Hall/Chicago Machine type corruption like that.
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21st August 2018, 04:01 PM	#342
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 41,534	Originally Posted by Paul2 Lanny Davis (paraphrase): if it’s a crime for Cohen [and Cohen says Trump directed him to do it] then why isn’t it a crime for Trump? TICK. TOCK. It is. First week of freshman Criminal Law in Law School stuff. THe person giving orders for a crime is just as guilty as the person who actually commits the crime. Applies to any criminal boss, From a Mafia Don, to a Terrorist Leader to a POTUS.... That is why Charles Manson died in prison. He never actually, personally commited a murder, Just gave the orders.
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21st August 2018, 04:03 PM	#343
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,168	Originally Posted by SezMe Rep. Duncan D. Hunter (R-Calif.) and wife indicted on charges they used campaign money for personal expenses Perfect timing for Hunter - nobody will notice or give a ***. Not a good day for the GOP. snort* Where's logger when you really need him? Now the first (Chris Collins) and second (Hunter) congressmen to endorse Daft Taft are under investigation.

21st August 2018, 04:04 PM	#344
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 69,972	Originally Posted by dudalb And reports that Omorosa will relase one of her tapes tonight. The bad news just ain't stopping today for Donnie. She's on Hardball right now.
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21st August 2018, 04:04 PM	#345
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 23,783	I'm not sure this Nunberg guy is helping. Quote: “So what do they have?” he asked of the prosecutors. “That Cohen paid off a woman and Trump told him to? My argument would be Trump has done this before, this wasn’t his first rodeo doing this.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rt-in-new-york
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21st August 2018, 04:05 PM	#346
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 23,783	Originally Posted by Stacko Now the first (Chris Collins) and second (Hunter) congressmen to endorse Daft Taft are under investigation. How very tidy. Any idea who was third?
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21st August 2018, 04:06 PM	#347
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 14,848	Fox News is pushing the "illegal immigrant murdered innocent woman" story hard.
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21st August 2018, 04:14 PM	#348
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 18,723	Originally Posted by C_Felix Can't wait for the Twitter meltdown. I'm more afraid of whatever SmartBomb he's going to pull out. This one's got to call for drastic distraction methods.
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21st August 2018, 04:14 PM	#349
C_Felix Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Just outside Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,902	Rally is starting. Yahoo news has a live stream.
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21st August 2018, 04:21 PM	#350
newyorkguy Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 9,546	Quote: In Charleston, West Virginia, arriving for a rally on Tuesday evening [tonight], Trump told reporters the Manafort verdict was a “disgrace” but ignored shouted questions about Cohen. And.... Quote: "Tonight you're going to see one of those media moments where several networks cover the news, and Fox dedicates 80% of their airtime to a local crime story," Republican political consultant Rick Wilson tweeted. Link

21st August 2018, 04:22 PM	#351
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 41,534	Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha Fox News is pushing the "illegal immigrant murdered innocent woman" story hard. Of course they are. You expect anything else?
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21st August 2018, 04:24 PM	#352
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 14,848	So far, Trump's speech has just been about patriotism, strong military, the NFL, greatest economy, steel coming back due to tariffs, coal being clean and indestructible (?). Some weird comments about the governor's weight (?).
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21st August 2018, 04:30 PM	#354
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 14,848	The crowd keeps trying to chant "Build the Wall" and "Lock Her Up" and they are just ignoring them. Awkward.
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21st August 2018, 04:34 PM	#355
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 41,534	Watching those rallies is truly scary. Never though I would see the open face of Fascism in the US.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

21st August 2018, 04:43 PM	#356
newyorkguy Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 9,546	It's really sad. People at a rally in West Virginia and a major concern of theirs is security on the U.S.'s southern border and illegal immigration? This is from an Op-Ed in one of the local newspapers in West Virginia published today: Quote: By Kendra Fershee (who is running for the Democratic nomination for West Virginia’s First Congressional District.) I don’t need to spew a bunch of negative statistics to express how difficult life is for many West Virginians right now; all you have to do is look around to see the struggle. But I’ll share a couple of very important measures that indicate the depth of our challenges: the Centers for Disease Control reports that our drug addiction death rates in West Virginia are three times the national average. And those unemployment rates that the Congressman [David McKinley] is so proud of? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, West Virginia’s unemployment rate worsened rapidly between May (4.5 percent) and November (5.3 percent). To the extent that there are businesses in a position to hire people, finding employees that can pass a drug test is a struggle. Small communities are dying (medium and larger communities are also fighting for survival, for that matter), and people are leaving in such large numbers that we are likely to lose a Congressional seat after the 2020 census. Link Build the wall! Lock her up!