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Old 12th September 2018, 02:25 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Truth be told I ate rice today, too. Now I'm feeling guilty about this **** that other consumers of rice are doing in China. Damn.
Oh my, you do love your rice analogy.

Say, maybe if instead of Firm Marxist Atheists persecuting religious people, instead we have Firm Marxist Rice marketing board persecuting people who didn't eat rice, and then TBD would come in and explain it is because of the fact they market rice, and then pro-rice snowflakes would come in and say, no, it has nothing to do with rice, it is because dictatorship.

"Rice, it is what Marxist Atheists eat when persecuting religious people."
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Old 12th September 2018, 02:45 PM   #202
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Another slandering thread rears its ugly head.

"Republican Christians in America put children in cages, stage executions (I know!) and support torture. Christianity is totally, entirely to blame. Nya, nya."
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Old 12th September 2018, 02:50 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes View Post
Another slandering thread rears its ugly head.

"Republican Christians in America put children in cages and support torture. Christianity is totally, entirely to blame. Nya, nya."
"slandering"... Hoo boy

"Marxist Atheists put Muslims in cages and demand that they denounce their religion."

And you suggest that suggesting that Atheism had something to do with it is 'slander"?

Or "hate speech" like another poster did earlier?

Yeah, this guy is going to disagree, and go ahead and strongly hope that atheists stop making themselves out to be the aggrieved parties here?

Just a bit?
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I think you guys are being a bit too hard on TBD. The way he takes Faux Internet Outrage and elevates it to a form of art is truly fascinating. And he manages to do so not just in this thread, but all over the forum, with surgical precision.

I think he deserves some credit for that.
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Old 12th September 2018, 03:19 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Quick to judge, aren't we?
Seems to be more and more his MO.


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I'm not endorsing China's repressions - but I can see the rationale from the POV of the Leadership.
The brutal re-education of the masses of the Muslim minority is most likely the biggest (by scale) human rights violation in decades.
It is also what is keeping Radical Islamism from gaining a foothold in China.
I wonder if that will help more or hurt more compared to many western countries which accept Muslim immigrants with no restrictions on religious practice.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
TBD, if you're going to start chasing around grammar mistakes like a priest in a kiddie pool that's really going to clog up the thread.
The goal is reaching post #500. Then (or "than"?) all TBD threads come to an end. It doesn't happen when everybody starts to beat a dead horse, but when the dead horse starts to stink and the sticks get covered with some kind of pestilent gunk.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
No,

Think of it like a Venn diagram.

The subset of the people responsible for this atrocity all fall directly within the set of "atheist."
Sure, like the subset formed by the Son of Sam and his looking alike colleagues fall directly within the set of "white people". We got if from the very OP, why do you insist repeating it?
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Oh my, you do love your rice analogy.

Say, maybe if instead of Firm Marxist Atheists persecuting religious people, instead we have Firm Marxist Rice marketing board persecuting people who didn't eat rice, and then TBD would come in and explain it is because of the fact they market rice, and then pro-rice snowflakes would come in and say, no, it has nothing to do with rice, it is because dictatorship.

"Rice, it is what Marxist Atheists eat when persecuting religious people."
I have always been in favor of rice snowflakes. This much is true.
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eta: No, of course not, not in the slightest.

Well said, TBD! No pity for the enemy! Everything is fair in love and (sacred) war!
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Didn't Australia do the same thing after they elected an atheist? I'm pretty sure they burned all the churches or filled them with spiders or something.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I have always been in favor of rice snowflakes. This much is true.
Yup. Rice is yummy, and snowflakes are beautiful. What's not to love?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Didn't Australia do the same thing after they elected an atheist? I'm pretty sure they burned all the churches or filled them with spiders or something.

Those churches had it coming.
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Those churches had it coming.
True, but burning the spiders seemed a bit excessive. Fosters.
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Didn't Australia do the same thing after they elected an atheist? I'm pretty sure they burned all the churches or filled them with spiders or something.

Ah yes those were some interesting times. The god botherers garrisoned themselves in the churches and armed themselves to the teeth. Nothing happened however and it was business as usual for all religious creeds.

It would be Bob Hawk you are referring to I assume, although there have been many atheists elected to parliament in Australia. The parliament in turn then elects the Prime Minister.
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Didn't Australia do the same thing after they elected an atheist? I'm pretty sure they burned all the churches or filled them with spiders or something.
Were they atheist spiders? Because that's what really matters here. And they have big spiders, so it wouldn't take many to discourage the faithful from entering the building....
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Didn't Australia do the same thing after they elected an atheist? I'm pretty sure they burned all the churches or filled them with spiders or something.
No, we didn't.

We filled the churches with spiders first. Then we burned the spiders. It was great.

Honestly, this is just another TBD piss-take. His argument tripped over right at the front doormat and he has been trying to drag it down the street from then on.
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No, we didn't.

We filled the churches with spiders first. Then we burned the spiders. It was great.

Honestly, this is just another TBD piss-take. His argument tripped over right at the front doormat and he has been trying to drag it down the street from then on.
Wait you mean pointing out that marxist atheists were surpressing religious people was unfair, slander, hate speech, tripped right out of the box.... which then would have been a post declaring that my opening post was more appalling than putting a million people in detention.

Huh
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Wait you mean pointing out that marxist atheists were surpressing religious people was unfair, slander, hate speech, tripped right out of the box.... which then would have been a post declaring that my opening post was more appalling than putting a million people in detention.

Huh
See what I mean? Innerwebz High Art Faux Rage.

Kudos, TBD. You are truly a master at work.
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See what I mean? Innerwebz High Art Faux Rage.

Kudos, TBD. You are truly a master at work.
Say, I have been remiss in not welcoming you to the site! So welcome!

Now, just as a bit of a protip? A post that is dripping sarcasm about hyperbolic overreactions from your side and ends up with the word "Huh" should not in any sense of the word be declared:

Rage
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Wait you mean pointing out that marxist atheists were surpressing religious people was unfair, slander, hate speech, tripped right out of the box.... which then would have been a post declaring that my opening post was more appalling than putting a million people in detention.

Huh
Look, now it fell again, this time in the gutter and got all dirty. And still he's trying to drag it along to the town hall for display.
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Communist propaganda? Y'all want something from the Atheist Bible, or you want how the monsters actually act.
Yes. Let's have something from the Atheist Bible please. Chapter and verse.

I'll wait.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Say, I have been remiss in not welcoming you to the site! So welcome!

Now, just as a bit of a protip? A post that is dripping sarcasm about hyperbolic overreactions from your side and ends up with the word "Huh" should not in any sense of the word be declared:

Rage
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Look, now it fell again, this time in the gutter and got all dirty. And still he's trying to drag it along to the town hall for display.
heehee!

Say, the Big Dog is dragging the accusations of hate speech and slander and the other nonsense atheist snowflakes have raised in this thread which concerns Marxist Atheists putting a million people in detention.

Pointing out that atheists put a million people in detention is teh hate speech!

Dragging that **** covered atrocity in front atheists is the real problem here!

god damn....
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heehee!

Say, the Big Dog is dragging the accusations of hate speech and slander and the other nonsense atheist snowflakes have raised in this thread which concerns Marxist Atheists putting a million people in detention.

Pointing out that atheists put a million people in detention is teh hate speech!

Dragging that **** covered atrocity in front atheists is the real problem here!

god damn....
Wohoo! So many points scored!

Another win for TBD, yay!
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Wohoo! So many points scored!

Another win for TBD, yay!
For full effect add several gifs.
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Yes. Let's have something from the Atheist Bible please. Chapter and verse.

I'll wait.
No way! You don't want anything about how ******* atheist monsters actually act, or how they destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims?

(confidentially, I don't blame you because destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims.... amiright? )

Lets go to the Atheist Bible.... little red book version?

Just kidding because destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims...

Say, while you all are waiting still not appalled by destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
No way! You don't want anything about how ******* atheist monsters actually act, or how they destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims?

(confidentially, I don't blame you because destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims.... amiright? )

Lets go to the Atheist Bible.... little red book version?

Just kidding because destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims...

Say, while you all are waiting still not appalled by destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital
LOLOLOL, because only atheists burn books and destroy places of worship. Oh, those pesky atheist MONSTER commies! Right?

Hooray, another win for TBD! Yay!
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
No way! You don't want anything about how ******* atheist monsters actually act, or how they destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims?

(confidentially, I don't blame you because destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims.... amiright? )

Lets go to the Atheist Bible.... little red book version?

Just kidding because destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims...

Say, while you all are waiting still not appalled by destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital
Is it your contention that Das Kapital is the Atheist Bible?
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Is it your contention that Das Kapital is the Atheist Bible?
My contention is that you are asking a ridiculous question, you are ignoring the despicable conduct of the Marxist atheists and I am deliberately mocking the insipid arguments that you have presented in this thread, from your being more appalled that people would criticize atheists than the actual persecution of millions of people to this absurd nonsense about quoting the atheist bible as if that nonsense had anything whatsoever to do with the disagraceful conduct of the Marxist atheist regime.

Say, can we get you to comment on the conduct of the Chinese here, or y’all got more questions about the atheist bible?

Lolz
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“WASHINGTON — Members of Congress sent a letter on Wednesday to Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross pressing him to impose limits on the sale of certain technologies by American companies to Chinese companies or agencies. The lawmakers argued that Chinese security forces might use the technologies for overbearing surveillance and other human rights abuses.”

“The Chinese government and the Communist Party have been building large internment camps in the vast borderland region to control the population of ethnic Uighurs, Turkic speakers who mostly practice Sunni Islam, and other Muslim groups, including Kazakhs. Western experts who have analyzed the camps say they hold up to one million people. Human rights advocates and legal scholars say that what Chinese officials are doing amounts to the worst human rights abuse in China in decades.”

The worst human rights abuses in decades.

New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/12/w...a-uighurs.html
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My contention is that you are asking a ridiculous question, you are ignoring the despicable conduct of the Marxist atheists and I am deliberately mocking the insipid arguments that you have presented in this thread, from your being more appalled that people would criticize atheists than the actual persecution of millions of people to this absurd nonsense about quoting the atheist bible as if that nonsense had anything whatsoever to do with the disagraceful conduct of the Marxist atheist regime.

Say, can we get you to comment on the conduct of the Chinese here, or y’all got more questions about the atheist bible?

Lolz
I've already commented on the actions of the totalitarian Chinese government and its policy of cultural imperialism. You're the one making the claim that atheism is the cause of the crackdowns, despite being shown repeatedly the evidence that totalitarian governments crack down on dissident religious groups but are perfectly happy with religious groups that toe the party line.

By trying to redirect the blame to atheism, you are minimising and ignoring the real cause of the atrocities. You are causing a distraction which may - almost certainly will allow and encourage further atrocities. That is why some are saying that your anti-atheism false rhetoric is hate speech. That is why I call you out as a liar and an ideologue. Using human suffering to promote your religious agenda is a despicable act.
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I've already commented on the actions of the totalitarian Chinese government and its policy of cultural imperialism. You're the one making the claim that atheism is the cause of the crackdowns, despite being shown repeatedly the evidence that totalitarian governments crack down on dissident religious groups but are perfectly happy with religious groups that toe the party line.

By trying to redirect the blame to atheism, you are minimising and ignoring the real cause of the atrocities. You are causing a distraction which may - almost certainly will allow and encourage further atrocities. That is why some are saying that your anti-atheism false rhetoric is hate speech. That is why I call you out as a liar and an ideologue. Using human suffering to promote your religious agenda is a despicable act.
Yeah, already posted comprehensive third party sources that destroy your arguments because that the Chinese crackdown applies to all groups, and pointed out that defending a despicable crackdown on any group is absolutely appalling.

Y’all see folks they are just cracking down on Dissidents. That is the best argument, sure multiple human rights groups point out that is the most aggressive assault on human rights since the cultural revolution, but Marxist atheists are “only” cracking down on “dissident groups”, so give the atheist ************ a break.

Criticizing the Marxist atheist crackdown on religious is “hate speech.”

Firm Marxist atheists just cracking down on “dissidents.”
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The subject, even when called out on his falsehoods, doubles down because his ideological agenda will not permit him to concede even an inch of ground.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
The subject, even when called out on his falsehoods, doubles down because his ideological agenda will not permit him to concede even an inch of ground.
Yeah, literally no chance of anyone conceding an inch of ground when the best argument is that the Marxist atheist crackdown is limited to dissident groups.

Folks, they was just cracking down and putting a million people in camps but it is fine!

Just dissident groups.

Muslims, Baptist and other religious groups, but zero to do with atheism, and pointing this out?

Hate speech.

Just putting dissidents in the camps, leave the firm Marxist Atheists alone, because atheists are the true victims here.
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The subject continues to repeat discredited arguments as though they still held some weight. One is given to wonder why he is so insistent on pushing this false agenda on this of all forums.
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“The subject”

Oh man...

And I thought the subject was the the Chinese crackdown on religious people in China.

Guess not, huh, folks.
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Folks, they was just cracking down and putting a million people in camps but it is fine!

Just dissident groups.
Jesus H. Tap-Dancing Christ!!!! (yes, I meant to blaspheme, and I'm not sorry)

No-one here thinks its "OK" for any religious groups to be targeted or cracked-down upon. All we're pointing out is that

a. Its NOT exclusively your beloved Holy Roman "kiddie-fiddling Priest" laden Church that is being cracked down upon

b. The Chinese Government attitude to these religious groups IS NOT BECAUSE that Government is Atheistic, ITS IN SPITE OF IT!!
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Yeah, literally no chance of anyone conceding an inch of ground when the best argument is that the Marxist atheist crackdown is limited to dissident groups.

Folks, they was just cracking down and putting a million people in camps but it is fine!

Just dissident groups.

Muslims, Baptist and other religious groups, but zero to do with atheism, and pointing this out?

Hate speech.

Just putting dissidents in the camps, leave the firm Marxist Atheists alone, because atheists are the true victims here.
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Jesus H. Tap-Dancing Christ!!!! (yes, I meant to blaspheme, and I'm not sorry)

No-one here thinks its "OK" for any religious groups to be targeted or cracked-down upon. All we're pointing out is that

a. Its NOT exclusively your beloved Holy Roman "kiddie-fiddling Priest" laden Church that is being cracked down upon

b. The Chinese Government attitude to these religious groups IS NOT BECAUSE that Government is Atheistic, ITS IN SPITE OF IT!!
Oh man, while I want y’all to focus on the highlighted part of my post I would be absolutely remiss

Remiss

To not point out the laughable comment that the firm Marxist atheist crackdown on religious in China is

All caps “in spite of” atheism.

Words fail me,

IN SPITE OF!

Oh man, hee hee!
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Old 12th September 2018, 10:33 PM   #240
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No way! You don't want anything about how ******* atheist monsters actually act, or how they destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims?
(confidentially, I don't blame you because destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims.... amiright? )
Lets go to the Atheist Bible.... little red book version?
Just kidding because destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims...
Say, while you all are waiting still not appalled by destroy churches, burn books, detain a million muslims?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital

I've been wondering why you would want us to read the Wikipedia article about Das Kapital. Is it because you think that it's about destroying churches, burning books and killing Muslims? I couldn't find anything about that in the Wikipedia article!
By the way, for someone who hates Capital - A Critique of Political Economy as much as you do, I would recommend that you started reading it! Unlike you, I've read it, a couple of times, actually, and it's a very good book (and very long!). Not so good that we Marxists would call it the good book! After all, there are plenty of other good ones.
I don't think that it contains anything about burning books and killing Muslims, but it actually does mention destruction of churches but, and now I have to disappoint you, not by "******* atheist monsters".

Here are some snippets for you from chapter 27:

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An Act of Henry VII., 1489, cap. 19, forbad the destruction of all "houses of husbandry" to which at least 20 acres of land belonged. By an Act, 25 Henry VIII., the same law was renewed. It recites, among other things, that many farms and large flocks of cattle, especially of sheep, are concentrated in the hands of a few men, whereby the rent of land has much risen and tillage has fallen off, churches and houses have been pulled down, and marvelous numbers of people have been deprived of the means wherewith to maintain themselves and their families.

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The process of forcible expropriation of the people received in the 16th century a new and frightful impulse from the Reformation, and from the consequent colossal spoliation of the church property. The Catholic Church was, at the time of the Reformation, feudal proprietor of a great part of the English land. The suppression of the monasteries, &c., hurled their inmates into the proletariat. The estates of the church were to a large extent given away to rapacious royal favorites, or sold at a nominal price to speculating farmers and citizens, who drove out, en masse, the hereditary sub-tenants and threw their holdings into one. The legally guaranteed property of the poorer folk in a part of the church's tithes was tacitly confiscated.

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These immediate results of the Reformation were not its most lasting ones. The property of the church formed the religious bulwark of the traditional conditions of landed property. With its fall these were no longer tenable.

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All this happened without the slightest observation of legal etiquette. The Crown lands thus fraudulently appropriated together with the robbery of the Church estates, as far as these had not been lost again during the republican revolution, form the basis of the today princely domains of the English oligarchy. The bourgeois capitalists favored the operation with the view, among others, to promoting free trade in the land, to extending the domain of modern agriculture on the large farm-system, and to increasing their supply of the free agricultural proletarians ready to hand.

It doesn't really sound as if Marx was rejoicing whenever churches were destroyed, does it?!
But on the other hand, he sometimes shows that he isn't very fond of some representatives of the church, for instance in chapter 1, when:
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the Church of England Parson, Townsend, glorified misery as a necessary condition of wealth.

He also doesn't approve of other Christian population theorists like, for instance "Parson Malthus", and when he mentions religious persecution in chapter 1, he does so with this example:

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... forms of social production that preceded the bourgeois form, are treated by the bourgeoisie in much the same way as the fathers of the Church treated pre-Christian religions.

But since this is religious persecution by the Church, it probably doesn't count in your book, does it?!

But now you've actually learned something new, something factual, about one of us Marxist atheists' good books! And as mentioned above I've actually read it! Unlike your Chinese ******* atheist monsters, I think.
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