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Old 4th October 2018, 06:54 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I'd bet on the latter.
It's not either/ or. Many supporters ARE oblivious, either living in a news bubble or not even following the news.
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Old 4th October 2018, 07:02 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
It's not either/ or. Many supporters ARE oblivious, either living in a news bubble or not even following the news.
True. The under-educated are much beloved by Trump.

Being oblivious is a choice. I know a few people like that. They never watch the news because it makes them uncomfortable and/or they're just not very intelligent people who don't care about anything than what the Kardashians are doing or who the Bachelor is going to give a rose to.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
True. The under-educated are much beloved by Trump.

Being oblivious is a choice. I know a few people like that. They never watch the news because it makes them uncomfortable and/or they're just not very intelligent people who don't care about anything than what the Kardashians are doing or who the Bachelor is going to give a rose to.
I wouldn't say under-educated. Myside bias and lack of self-awareness thereof happens at all educational levels. Changing your mind is hard work.
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
I wouldn't say under-educated. Myside bias and lack of self-awareness thereof happens at all educational levels. Changing your mind is hard work.
Changing one's mind takes an open mind and a certain honesty. Most people, once they form an opinion, have great difficulty in changing it no matter what evidence otherwise is presented.
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Old 4th October 2018, 08:02 PM   #245
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That his proponents remain silent on the subject tells me they are either oblivious or have totally ditched their principles.
Gallup compared polling results from the 1990s to today and discovered that during the Clinton administration, 86 percent of Republicans said presidential moral leadership “very important.” The number has dropped to 63 percent in 2018.

Whoops.

As I said in another thread. In the 1990s, the Republican rallying cry was “character matters.” Today it appears to be “oh, c’mon. Character is so 20th Century.”

[full disclosure, the corresponding results for Democrats rose 6 percentage points]
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Old 4th October 2018, 08:18 PM   #246
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Changing one's mind takes an open mind and a certain honesty. Most people, once they form an opinion, have great difficulty in changing it no matter what evidence otherwise is presented.
I have no evidence to support this claim that I heard: It is hard to admit one is wrong; but it is even harder to admit one was conned.

One of the things that scares me is that a couple of days ago, the White House altered a word in official transcript of the president’s press conference to remove an insult to a reporter. It appears they are going to get away with it despite every video recording showing that he actually said “you’re not thinking” to a reporter. I’m worried that he’ll be able to say things like “ the liberal press altered the video to make me look bad even though the official transcript shows I did not insult her.” A lot of folks have drunk enough Kool-Aid to believe the president as he accuses every news agency on the face of the Earth of conspiring against him..
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Old 4th October 2018, 08:31 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I have always believed that Trump will go down for some kind of financial crimes; tax evasion, money laundering or the like. There is a reason he refused to release his tax returns. If he had nothing to hide, he'd have done so.
That seems reasonable, given his long history of tax evasion, money laundering, stiffing contractors, and so forth. Sexual assault or abuse of minors isn't taken all that seriously, but messing up the wrong person's money can easily get you killed.

It was definitely my assumption, in any case.
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Old 4th October 2018, 08:54 PM   #248
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That seems reasonable, given his long history of tax evasion, money laundering, stiffing contractors, and so forth.
But he has a fiduciary responsibility to himself!
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
I have no evidence to support this claim that I heard: It is hard to admit one is wrong; but it is even harder to admit one was conned.

One of the things that scares me is that a couple of days ago, the White House altered a word in official transcript of the president’s press conference to remove an insult to a reporter. It appears they are going to get away with it despite every video recording showing that he actually said “you’re not thinking” to a reporter. I’m worried that he’ll be able to say things like “ the liberal press altered the video to make me look bad even though the official transcript shows I did not insult her.” A lot of folks have drunk enough Kool-Aid to believe the president as he accuses every news agency on the face of the Earth of conspiring against him..

Amazingly, they corrected the transcript. They probably thought people wouldn't notice and had to do quick damage control. Of course, that would require the presence of someone capable of feeling shame.

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The White House on Tuesday officially corrected the record on an insulting remark President Donald Trump uttered a day earlier in the Rose Garden.
An official transcript distributed on Monday evening showed the President telling a female senior correspondent she wasn't "thanking" when he called on her, an odd construction that bore little resemblance to what the President is heard on video saying.
In fact, the President told reporter Cecilia Vega she wasn't "thinking" -- words reflected in a corrected transcript the White House distributed on Tuesday morning.
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Amazingly, they corrected the transcript. They probably thought people wouldn't notice and had to do quick damage control. Of course, that would require the presence of someone capable of feeling shame.
Doesn't this violating presidential record-keeping laws?
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senior Telegraph editor about Kavanaugh's behaviour during Whitewater

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/my-...ans-pritchard/
Not fair. You have to subscribe to read the whole thing.
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The man has no conscience or conception of honesty. And as I speculated before, apparently no fortune of his own.
You can be sure that the Times' legal beagles went over that piece letter by letter so that when they write "instances of outright fraud" you can take that claim to the bank.

Is there a time limit for prosecution of such financial crimes? Can the President be taken to court for crimes he committed before becoming President while he holds that position?
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I realise this is on level with the faux outrage over President Obama's tan suit, but this is hilarious.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/v...his-shoe-video
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
I realise this is on level with the faux outrage over President Obama's tan suit, but this is hilarious.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/v...his-shoe-video
thanks for that - I would be grateful if someone could find a GIF of this.


BTW, that was a A+ Mussolini salute at 0:13.
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I have always believed that Trump will go down for some kind of financial crimes; tax evasion, money laundering or the like. There is a reason he refused to release his tax returns. If he had nothing to hide, he'd have done so.
Me too (so to speak). All other crimes might be hard to convince a jury but with financial crimes there's paperwork and numbers. Hard evidence that won't go away or can be bought off.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Changing one's mind takes an open mind and a certain honesty. Most people, once they form an opinion, have great difficulty in changing it no matter what evidence otherwise is presented.
That's myside bias for you. One of human neurology's worst curses.
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Old 5th October 2018, 03:49 AM   #257
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It is complicated. How about the Obama voters who voted for Trump in 2016?

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Ms. Baker does vote. She picked Barack Obama for president in 2008 and 2012. He seemed sincere and looked like a happy family man...In 2016, though, she voted for Donald J. Trump. Yes, he was rich and seemed mean on his TV show, “The Apprentice.” But she liked how he talked about jobs and wages and people being left out of the economy...John Sides, a political-science professor at George Washington University, has estimated that 9 percent of voters who cast ballots for Mr. Obama ended up voting for Mr. Trump. Among white voters who had never been to college, it was 22 percent. news story link
How do you explain someone voting for Barack Obama and then voting for Donald Trump? In numbers high enough, that if they had voted for Clinton, she would have won easily? I think there are a lot of answers, it's not one reason.
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Meanwhile, 2400 TX voter registrations rejected right before deadline--all from Dem counties.
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Are they running scared, or is election fraud just a force of habit at this point?
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How about the Obama voters who voted for Trump in 2016?

How do you explain someone voting for Barack Obama and then voting for Donald Trump?

The fog has lifted, allowing clear vision.
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You can be sure that the Times' legal beagles went over that piece letter by letter so that when they write "instances of outright fraud" you can take that claim to the bank.

Is there a time limit for prosecution of such financial crimes? Can the President be taken to court for crimes he committed before becoming President while he holds that position?
And that is the question that may determine the future of the United States. Legal scholars are split on whether or not a sitting president may be charged with a crime in any form other than a presidential impeachment. Brett Kavanaugh has gone on record as saying that the current laws prohibit such indictments. Many speculate that it is this one position that put Kavanaugh at the very top of President Trump’s list of nominees.
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Legal scholars are split on whether or not a sitting president may be charged with a crime in any form other than a presidential impeachment. Brett Kavanaugh has gone on record as saying that the current laws prohibit such indictments.
While in office.

Nothing prevents a virtual avalanche of charges after leaving office.
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thanks for that - I would be grateful if someone could find a GIF of this.
It appears that there is toilet paper stuck to his shoe.


I wouldn't be surprised if this is the one simple incident that puts him over the edge. We know he hates being made fun of.
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Good grief. Electing a racist conspiracy theorist was a really bad idea.
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Speaking of financial matters has there been any updates on the investigations/prosecutions in regards to his "charitable" foundation?
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Speaking of financial matters has there been any updates on the investigations/prosecutions in regards to his "charitable" foundation?
It's proceeding.

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The New York Attorney General's Office is urging a state court not to dismiss its lawsuit against President Trump's charitable foundation, saying the foundation has repeatedly violated state and federal laws.

Attorney General Barbara Underwood said the Donald J. Trump Foundation "was a shell corporation that functioned as a checkbook from which the business entity known as the Trump Organization made payments."

Underwood sued the foundation in June, saying it repeatedly solicited money from donors and then used it for campaign-related purposes, violating federal election law. The money was also used to benefit Trump' business interests, by settling legal claims against it, for example, Underwood said.
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Good grief. Electing a racist conspiracy theorist was a really bad idea.
I assume he's just copying it from somewhere (ETA: Was Soros mentioned on Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour?) - it's the fourth time that I can immediately remember that he pushed outright anti-Semitic nonsense, after "Good people on both sides", a campaign ad that also featured Soros, and the "Clinton over a pile of money and a Star of David" tweet.

Dunno if he's the real deal or just too stupid to know better, and it doesn't really make a difference.

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Speaking of financial matters has there been any updates on the investigations/prosecutions in regards to his "charitable" foundation?

If the lawsuit succeeds, Trump might be banned from working with any nonprofit organization for 10 years from when he leaves office.


Oh no!
such hardship!
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Breaking News....

Breaking News....

Donald Trump did not win the Nobel Peace Prize.


Even Better Breaking News....

The award is shared by a black man and a woman for their work on ending sexual violence as a tool of war. I'm sure Donnie will have them over to the Rose Garden for tea so he can tell them "I should have won".

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/05/e...ntl/index.html
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It is complicated. How about the Obama voters who voted for Trump in 2016?

How do you explain someone voting for Barack Obama and then voting for Donald Trump? In numbers high enough, that if they had voted for Clinton, she would have won easily? I think there are a lot of answers, it's not one reason.
What percentage simply aren't connected to politics much, and thus don't really count as members of either party aside from whatever they checked when they registered? The types who said "Well, he said he'd only deport the bad ones/he'd get us all healthcare quickly that was good and affordable and it'd be easy. Plus, Hillary's emails proved that she was totally corrupt!"

And what percentage of them thought that Obama would "prove that America was past race" and got angry when he actually started discussing it? "I thought he'd show the blacks that everyone else is over race, but then he said that his son would look like Trayvon and I was so angry!"
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Breaking News....

Donald Trump did not win the Nobel Peace Prize.


Even Better Breaking News....

The award is shared by a black man and a woman for their work on ending sexual violence as a tool of war. I'm sure Donnie will have them over to the Rose Garden for tea so he can tell them "I should have won".

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/05/e...ntl/index.html
Finally someone with the courage to stand up and say, "soldiers might pillage, but they should not rape". Truly the aspirational spirit the Nobel Peace Prize was established to celebrate.

But to me it would make more sense to give the prize to someone whose efforts have produced a measurable reduction in war-related rapes in Africa. Or wherever they're focusing their efforts.

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Are they running scared, or is election fraud just a force of habit at this point?
False dichotomy. Yes and Yes.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Breaking News....

Donald Trump did not win the Nobel Peace Prize.


Even Better Breaking News....

The award is shared by a black man and a woman for their work on ending sexual violence as a tool of war. I'm sure Donnie will have them over to the Rose Garden for tea so he can tell them "I should have won".

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/05/e...ntl/index.html
I'm sure there's a $12 donation or similar thing he can turn into a me too on the subject.
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I assume he's just copying it from somewhere (ETA: Was Soros mentioned on Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour?)
https://twitter.com/dave_brown24/sta...03910010294272

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Maria Bartiromo [of Fox News] asked Chuck Grassley this morning if he thinks George Soros is paying the elevator protesters. "I have heard so many people believe that. I tend to believe it," Grassley said. Trump tweeted the accusation about 80 minutes later
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...Dunno if he's the real deal or just too stupid to know better, and it doesn't really make a difference.
Plus, it’s not an either-or situation here.

The whole thing is just gaslighting and projection anyway; Trump has a history of paying people to cheer for him, starting with his announcement and continuing at his rallies.
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While in office.

Nothing prevents a virtual avalanche of charges after leaving office.
Yes.

I suspect President Trump will win his next election, but I do have an irrational fear that attorneys general and district attorneys will be standing in line with indictments in October 2020, and if the president loses the popular vote and the electoral vote he will start screaming about voter fraud and invalid elections and say that he should stay in office until it can all be sorted out.
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Originally Posted by sts60 View Post
Plus, it’s not an either-or situation here.

The whole thing is just gaslighting and projection anyway; Trump has a history of paying people to cheer for him, starting with his announcement and continuing at his rallies.
He’s not the first politician to constantly accuse others of things he has been doing.
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Old 5th October 2018, 08:32 AM   #279
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post

If the lawsuit succeeds, Trump might be banned from working with any nonprofit organization for 10 years from when he leaves office.


Oh no!
such hardship!

Shouldn't be much of an imposition. I doubt he ever did any actual work with them before.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Breaking News....

Donald Trump did not win the Nobel Peace Prize.


Even Better Breaking News....

The award is shared by a black man and a woman for their work on ending sexual violence as a tool of war. I'm sure Donnie will have them over to the Rose Garden for tea so he can tell them "I should have won".
The worst thing is, it has a high probability of occuring.
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