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Old 18th October 2018, 09:36 AM   #1041
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Why on earth would you compare government agencies with for-profit companies?`
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Old 18th October 2018, 09:40 AM   #1042
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Why on earth would you compare government agencies with for-profit companies?`
If they perform the same role, why not?
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Old 18th October 2018, 09:44 AM   #1043
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“The trouble with socialism is socialism; the trouble with capitalism is capitalists.” -William F. Buckley

Companies don't run better because of capitalism. Capitalism only makes it easier for businesses with apparent potential to raise capital. But because of the need to appear successful at all times, market-funded companies might have to sacrifice long-term benefits for short-term profits.
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Old 18th October 2018, 09:47 AM   #1044
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Originally Posted by River View Post
Yeah, the very next line is:
Yes, carry out.

Not on premises.


Understand now ?

ETA: explained already:

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Do you live in Tennessee? I don't. Are all alcohol sales carry out in Tennessee? Nope. I bought many beers in Tennessee a few months ago and never had to show ID.

Your graphic is lying. Intentionally.

Do you want to move to the next lie or stick with this one?
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Old 18th October 2018, 09:47 AM   #1045
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If they perform the same role, why not?
they never do.
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Old 18th October 2018, 09:57 AM   #1046
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Why on earth would you compare government agencies with for-profit companies?`
Gotta keep the faÁade full and in place! Gotta keep peddling the lie about how great (rah! rah!) capitalism is and how bad (boo! hiss!) government is, as the First Great Dear Leader Reagan had preached from on high.
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If they perform the same role, why not?
a hotel and your parents both provide food and a room.
But your parents have less evolutionary pressure to improve efficiency or effectiveness.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
a hotel and your parents both provide food and a room.
But your parents have less evolutionary pressure to improve efficiency or effectiveness.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but you gleaned far more from these hearings than I did. I may need to rewatch them.
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Old 18th October 2018, 10:32 AM   #1049
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I'm not saying you are wrong, but you gleaned far more from these hearings than I did. I may need to rewatch them.
Kavanaugh didn't get his beer from his parents' fridge.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Kavanaugh didn't get his beer from his parents' fridge.
Ah, that was pure capitalist propaganda wrapped up in a beer boofing story! Got it!

Sorry for juicing the piglet.
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Old 18th October 2018, 05:37 PM   #1051
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My bold. Wrong.

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Places where stopping, standing and parking prohibited:


(5) Within an intersection. Exemptions under ORS 811.560 (Exemptions from prohibitions on stopping, standing or parking) (4) to (7) are applicable to this subsection.

(6) On a crosswalk. Exemptions under ORS 811.560 (Exemptions from prohibitions on stopping, standing or parking) (4) to (7) are applicable to this subsection.

Hi, class! I've been out. It was like thunder, lightning, .... the way you love me is frightening.... well except for that last part. We had a lightning strike within about fifty/sixty metres of our house and it blew out all sorts of circuitry, and included the frying of my modem.

But, say, has anyone pointed out to River that municipalities have their own traffic codes? In Portland, the above is superseded. And the paramount clause (so to speak) is that if there is a joint green (walk light and turn light, say), PEDESTRIANS IN INTERSECTIONS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY. Vehicles may make the turn IF THE INTERSECTION IS CLEAR.
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Can you link to Portlands codes concerning crosswalks and pedestrian traffic? Mine link was the state laws. If the quote above is the same, it's illegal to stop/stand in a crosswalk or intersection. (on foot, or in a vehicle)
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Old 18th October 2018, 07:51 PM   #1053
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Can you link to Portlands codes concerning crosswalks and pedestrian traffic? Mine link was the state laws. If the quote above is the same, it's illegal to stop/stand in a crosswalk or intersection. (on foot, or in a vehicle)
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/trans.../article/70893

Please cross-check. You have to find one section that defines an intersection, even without crosswalk demarcation, as a crosswalk. All crosswalk rules apply. Drivers who have a turn light have to yield to pedestrians. Period.

Oh, and they refer to ORS throughout. This is the Oregon law so your previous cites were misinterpretation. Just read the first few sections.

I assume you drive. Do you know of any jurisdiction where taking a turn doesn't require you to yield to oncoming(straight through) traffic whether vehicular or pedestrian?
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Old 18th October 2018, 10:41 PM   #1054
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
https://www.portlandoregon.gov/trans.../article/70893

Please cross-check. You have to find one section that defines an intersection, even without crosswalk demarcation, as a crosswalk. All crosswalk rules apply. Drivers who have a turn light have to yield to pedestrians. Period.

Oh, and they refer to ORS throughout. This is the Oregon law so your previous cites were misinterpretation. Just read the first few sections.

I assume you drive. Do you know of any jurisdiction where taking a turn doesn't require you to yield to oncoming(straight through) traffic whether vehicular or pedestrian?
I've written them to get clarification on the issue of blocking crosswalks and intersections, and what my rights might be as a pedestrian and as a driver in those situations. Will post the reply as it comes.
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Old 18th October 2018, 11:02 PM   #1055
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I've written them to get clarification on the issue of blocking crosswalks and intersections, and what my rights might be as a pedestrian and as a driver in those situations. Will post the reply as it comes.
can you also post an affidavit of the killer driver about what he thought were the relevant traffic laws?
Because if you are not currently planning on driving over protesters, why would it matter what you think was legal or not?
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I've written them to get clarification on the issue of blocking crosswalks and intersections, and what my rights might be as a pedestrian and as a driver in those situations. Will post the reply as it comes.
Are you looking for a second opinion? You have the link and the law is stated pretty clearly. Which part are you having trouble with?
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Are you looking for a second opinion? You have the link and the law is stated pretty clearly. Which part are you having trouble with?
The part where he admits he's wrong.
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I've written them to get clarification on the issue of blocking crosswalks and intersections, and what my rights might be as a pedestrian and as a driver in those situations. Will post the reply as it comes.
Dear River,

If a pedestrian blocks your path for over five minutes and refuses to get out of your way please feel free to run them over!

Sincerely,
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Old 19th October 2018, 08:00 AM   #1059
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
they never do.
??? Nonsense, private postal services, private doctors, private buses, private.....

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
a hotel and your parents both provide food and a room.
But your parents have less evolutionary pressure to improve efficiency or effectiveness.
??? and this relates to the government how? It makes much less sense to compare government or private business to parents.
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-- Bill Mitchell (Oct 19, 2018)

She was well compensated ($700,000) for her carefully scripted and teary-eyed performance. That money can be put to good use -- she can add a 3rd front door.
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She was well compensated ($700,000) for her carefully scripted and teary-eyed performance. That money can be put to good use -- she can add a 3rd front door.
In all honesty, what should happen now? Should she somehow remain the center of attention?

She came forward and gave testimony. Unless you believe she was lying or, perhaps, negligently mistaken about her testimony, then she deserves plaudits for her courage and honesty. That doesn't mean that she will always be the focus of attention. She should be treated with respect and esteem, but she's not the focus of the midterms by herself.

Bill Mitchell's complaint is simply bizarre.

ETA: You didn't seem to get Mitchell's complaint. He said she was forgotten. You said she was well-compensated. Do choose a side.

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Are you looking for a second opinion? You have the link and the law is stated pretty clearly. Which part are you having trouble with?
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The part where he admits he's wrong.
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If a pedestrian blocks your path for over five minutes and refuses to get out of your way please feel free to run them over!

Sincerely,
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Nah, it looks more like this when Police are present. The fact some posters here feel this type of behavior is legal, and non threatening is not only dangerous, but telling.

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In all honesty, what should happen now? Should she somehow remain the center of attention?

She came forward and gave testimony. Unless you believe she was lying or, perhaps, negligently mistaken about her testimony, then she deserves plaudits for her courage and honesty.
It's clear Slings thinks she lied, from his post. Obviously, right-wing Christian judges can't possibly be guilty of wrongdoing.
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NEW YORK (AP) — A New York man has been charged with threatening to kill two U.S. senators for supporting Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court. Federal prosecutors are not naming the senators who received the threatening messages.

Can't say i am surprised given the venom we have seen from the Left.
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NEW YORK (AP) ó A New York man has been charged with threatening to kill two U.S. senators for supporting Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court. Federal prosecutors are not naming the senators who received the threatening messages.
Good. We shouldn't tolerate this sort of stuff.

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Can't say i am surprised given the venom we have seen from the Left.
As opposed to, say, random people calling the press the enemy of the people or cheering physical assaults on journalists.
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NEW YORK (AP) — A New York man has been charged with threatening to kill two U.S. senators for supporting Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court. Federal prosecutors are not naming the senators who received the threatening messages.

Can't say i am surprised given the venom we have seen from the Left.
do you suffer from memory loss?

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'I believe Democrats need to be afraid to do what they are doing right now and weak Republicans that do not vote for him need to pay with their lives'
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Clearly leftist operatives.
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Why on earth would you compare government agencies with for-profit companies?`
Because it's often interesting to examine the similarities and differences. This is especially true when we are discussing the nationalization of an industry, or the government providing services in competition with or in place of the private sector.
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Because it's often interesting to examine the similarities and differences. This is especially true when we are discussing the nationalization of an industry, or the government providing services in competition with or in place of the private sector.
there is a huge difference between a Government Agency, a state-run enterprise and just a state-owned enterprise.
Please make clear what kind of fruits you are trying to compare here.
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ďThe trouble with socialism is socialism; the trouble with capitalism is capitalists.Ē -William F. Buckley

Companies don't run better because of capitalism. Capitalism only makes it easier for businesses with apparent potential to raise capital. But because of the need to appear successful at all times, market-funded companies might have to sacrifice long-term benefits for short-term profits.
What makes you think companies need to appear successful at all times?
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NEW YORK (AP) — A New York man has been charged with threatening to kill two U.S. senators for supporting Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court. Federal prosecutors are not naming the senators who received the threatening messages.

Can't say i am surprised given the venom we have seen from the Left.

"New York resident Ronald DeRisi was arrested Friday for allegedly threatening to murder and assault two U.S. senators over their support for the successful nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, federal authorties said.

"In one voicemail, DeRisi allegedly warned one senator that he had a 'present' for the lawmaker. 'It’s a nine millimeter. Side of your … skull … Yeah, Kavanaugh – I don’t think so,' DeRisi allegedly said."

-- CNBC (Oct 19, 2018)


It's par for the course. As President Trump repeated again last night, "Democrats are the party of crime."
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What makes you think companies need to appear successful at all times?
They do if they want to raise capital or avoid hostile takeovers.
And CEO's jobs depend on the appearance of success.
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It's par for the course. As President Trump repeated again last night, "Democrats are the party of crime."
It's pretty dishonest of you to ignore the repeated links to conservatives making similar threats, Slings.
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It's clear Slings thinks she lied, from his post. Obviously, right-wing Christian judges can't possibly be guilty of wrongdoing.
Sure, but that makes his concern even more bizarre. We set up this person to lie for us, she (allegedly) made lots of money doing so, but we are bad people for not keeping our attention on her.

How the hell does any of that work? Even given that she told the truth, what should dear old Democrats do to keep attention on her?
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Sure, but that makes his concern even more bizarre. We set up this person to lie for us, she (allegedly) made lots of money doing so, but we are bad people for not keeping our attention on her.

How the hell does any of that work? Even given that she told the truth, what should dear old Democrats do to keep attention on her?
I'm sure it makes sense to him.
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Old 19th October 2018, 11:52 AM   #1076
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It's pretty dishonest of you to ignore the repeated links to conservatives making similar threats, Slings.
You assume that Slings purpose and intent is honest discussion. LOL! It's quite obvious that he, big dog, and a few others purpose and intent is simply Divisiveness.
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Old 19th October 2018, 12:02 PM   #1077
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You assume that Slings purpose and intent is honest discussion. LOL! It's quite obvious that he, big dog, and a few others purpose and intent is simply Divisiveness.
You think they spend time rubbing their hands together in their homes going "Mwa ha ha ha! I don't believe a word that I'm posting but I'll find some way today to divide the country!"?
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Old 19th October 2018, 12:11 PM   #1078
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
You think they spend time rubbing their hands together in their homes going "Mwa ha ha ha! I don't believe a word that I'm posting but I'll find some way today to divide the country!"?
To be honest, that's less absurd than I imagine you intended.
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Man arrested for threatening Kavanaugh-supporting senators

A Long Island man was busted for making death threats against GOP U.S. Senators Chuck Grassley and Susan Collins for their support of then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, The Post has learned.

Ronald DeRisi, 74, was taken into custody early Friday, and is expected to be arraigned later in the day in Central Islip federal court before Magistrate judge Gary R. Brown.

In a rant aimed at the 85-year-old senator, DeRisi was recorded saying “We’re tired of this guy sucking taxpayers’ money! Getting a free ******* ride! How many more years you gonna do it? None! He’s a dead man! 9 millimeter, side of the ******* head! If ******* Kavanaugh gets in, he’s dead ******* meat! Actually even if Kavanaugh doesn’t get in he’s dead ******* meat. 9 millimeter, side of the head, you ******* old bastard.”

-- New York Post (Oct 19, 2018)

"Representative democracy cannot work if elected officials are threatened with death for simply doing their job. The First Amendment - the pinnacle of American achievement - protects debate, disagreement and dissent, not death threats. We and all those dedicated to the rule of law will not tolerate the use of violence and threats of violence in attempts to prevail in political disputes.

"I greatly appreciate the hard work of our investigators for addressing these threats so quickly, and that of the U.S. Attorney’s staff for prosecuting this case."

-- U.S. Attorney Richard P. Donoghue (Oct 19, 2018)
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