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3D Firearms Prohibitions Act

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H.R.7115 - 3D Firearms Prohibitions Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/7115/text?r=1
To prohibit the sale, acquisition, distribution in commerce, or import into the United States of certain firearm receiver castings or blanks, assault weapon parts kits, and machinegun parts kits and the marketing or advertising of such castings or blanks and kits on any medium of electronic communications, to require homemade firearms to have serial numbers, and for other purposes.
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(a) Banned hazardous products.—Notwithstanding section 3(a)(5)(E) of the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C. 2052(a)(5)(E)), the following shall be considered banned hazardous products under section 8 of such Act (15 U.S.C. 2057):
(1) A firearm receiver casting or firearm receiver blank or unfinished handgun frame that—
(A) at the point of sale does not meet the definition of a firearm in section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code; and
(B) after purchase by a consumer, can be completed by the consumer to the point at which such casting or blank functions as a firearm frame or receiver for a semiautomatic assault weapon or machinegun or the frame of a handgun.
(2) An assault weapon parts kit.
(3) A machinegun parts kit.
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Right now 80% complete receivers/frames are legal. I wonder how complete a piece of metal or polymer can be and still avoid the new requirements?

(a) In general.—It shall be unlawful to market or advertise, on any medium of electronic communications, including over the Internet, for the sale of any of the following:
(1) A firearm receiver casting or firearm receiver blank or unfinished handgun frame that—
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(2) An assault weapon parts kit.
(3) A machinegun parts kit.
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Sounds like this might run afoul of the 1st amendment.

Ҥ 923A. Serial numbers for homemade firearms
“(a) Request.—A person who has attained 18 years of age and desires to make a firearm, or obtain a unique serial number or other identifying mark for a firearm, may request a licensed dealer to issue a unique serial number or other identifying mark for the firearm, which request shall describe the firearm involved, and state whether the firearm will be (or is) a handgun.
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I wonder why this part took them so long.

“(3) BAN ON POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF FIREARM WITHOUT SERIAL NUMBER.—It shall be unlawful for any person, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, to possess or transfer a firearm made after 1968 by a person who is not a licensed manufacturer, unless—
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Looks like the local engravers will be busy for a little while if this bill passes. I just used a pencil engraver on mine. Looks like crap though.

NFA firearms are exempt as they already have serial numbers; manufacturers are exempt as well as they are already required to engrave everything they make.

(4) the term “semiautomatic assault weapon” means—
(A) a semiautomatic rifle or semiautomatic shotgun that has the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device; or....
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The sponsors of this bill are going full retard just like WA did by defining nearly all semi-auto rifle as assault weapons.

Ranb
 
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Ranb said:
H.R.7115 - 3D Firearms Prohibitions Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/7115/text?r=1



Right now 80% complete receivers/frames are legal. I wonder how complete a piece of metal or polymer can be and still avoid the new requirements?


Sounds like this might run afoul of the 1st amendment.
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Not really, once you get tangible goods for sale first amendment protections get a lot less. See how people sell books touting certain supplements as having bogus health claims, protected by first amendment but can not sell those supplements with the same claims.


None of these are actually anything about additive manufacturing in firearms production as well.
 
Good thing silencers are exempt. Otherwise it might have been illegal for me to have stock on hand to make a new silencer before I obtain the tax stamp. :)
 
At this time a person can legally make any kind of gun they want (other than an NFA firearm) without a serial number or license. A serial number is only required if they sell it.

You may recall articles about "ghost guns". A prohibited person would by an 80% completed receiver, finish machining it then attach the non-controlled parts. They then had an unregistered gun that no one knew about. These guns occasionally show up at crime scenes.

I think the new definition of an assault rifle is a slippery slope. If this bill becomes law they can say later on "we only want to ban the assault rifles" which will then include most any semi-auto rifle in the USA; relics like the Remington Model 8's.
 
Ranb said:
At this time a person can legally make any kind of gun they want (other than an NFA firearm) without a serial number or license. A serial number is only required if they sell it.

You may recall articles about "ghost guns". A prohibited person would by an 80% completed receiver, finish machining it then attach the non-controlled parts. They then had an unregistered gun that no one knew about. These guns occasionally show up at crime scenes.

I think the new definition of an assault rifle is a slippery slope. If this bill becomes law they can say later on "we only want to ban the assault rifles" which will then include most any semi-auto rifle in the USA; relics like the Remington Model 8's.
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I understand guns like that occasionally show up at crime scenes. But do they require new law ? Will this solve general gun violence ? Will it solve mass shootings ?
 
Dr.Sid said:
But do they require new law ?
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The section about serial numbers would be required if we want homemade guns engraved.

Will this solve general gun violence ?
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I don't think so.

Will it solve mass shootings ?
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I'm sure it won't.

But knowing that the feds have required registration of certain guns in the past then later on prohibited their registration, I can see this being a set up for a ban of semi-auto rifles in general.
 
Ranb said:
The section about serial numbers would be required if we want homemade guns engraved.


I don't think so.


I'm sure it won't.

But knowing that the feds have required registration of certain guns in the past then later on prohibited their registration, I can see this being a set up for a ban of semi-auto rifles in general.
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A poem. AHEM.

I'm going to a party at the shooting range
I'm going to party to shoot some zombie brains
I'm going to a party to have some banging fun
Bang bang bang I'm coming with my gun.

The police are coming to the party
They want to take my gun
The police are coming to the party
They want to stop our fun
Bang bang bang
I can't come without my gun.
 
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Dr.Sid said:
I understand guns like that occasionally show up at crime scenes. But do they require new law ? Will this solve general gun violence ? Will it solve mass shootings ?
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Maybe, home machining is making leaps and bounds with small tabletop CNC units. It is lowering and spreading the ability to make these weapons.

The CAD and CAM files needed for 3d printers would be covered by the first amendment as they are information but mechanical parts not so much.

A different option would be changing the serialized and regulated parts from the receiver to the actual pressure carrying components similar to how they do it in the UK. This means that then barrels and such would be regulated, and those are not so easy to sell unfinished and finish at home.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Are there any ?
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As far as I can tell, some improvised weapons qualify as "Any Other Weapons (AOW)" under the NFA. Mostly things like pen guns, cane guns, and other concealed firearms that don't look like pistols and don't have rifled barrels. You would need an AOW tax stamp from the gov't to make a pen gun, but making a conventional pistol would not require such a stamp (or any registration/serialization).

Based on my understanding of the AOW statute, zip guns are included because they are disguised firearms. A 3d pistol, like the liberator, that is obviously a pistol would not fall under the AOW part of the NFA.
 
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Dr.Sid said:
Are there any ?
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There are in some places at least, especially if such guns lack a serial number and certain other qualifications. Here in Vermont possession of such is illegal. Elsewhere, I think Federal law would prohibit their sale or distribution unless the maker registers as a firearms manufacturer first.

But it seems to me that it would make more sense to beef up any legislation against home made guns than to create a new category.
 
I personally don't understand why is gun manufacture legal at all in US. Manufacture is less regulated than sales. In most countries it's the other way around.
 
Dr.Sid said:
I personally don't understand why is gun manufacture legal at all in US. Manufacture is less regulated than sales. In most countries it's the other way around.
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Because it is so small of a problem. Exactly how many Ghost Guns have been found at crime sites? If you want untraceable, it's a lot easier to go buy a gun and grind the numbers off.
 
casebro said:
Because it is so small of a problem. Exactly how many Ghost Guns have been found at crime sites? If you want untraceable, it's a lot easier to go buy a gun and grind the numbers off.
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And really the idea of tracing guns at all is a hollywood myth anyway.
 
casebro said:
Because it is so small of a problem. Exactly how many Ghost Guns have been found at crime sites?
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Here's one:

Shooting rampage in California highlights "ghost guns" and their dangers
The gunman who killed his wife and four others in a rampage in Northern California this week found an easy way around a court order prohibiting him from having guns: He built his own at home.
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California mass shooter made his own rifles
Experts say Neal apparently exploited a legal loophole that enabled him to get around California’s tough gun laws by ordering the parts for a weapon that is illegal in that state — and putting it together at home.
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ponderingturtle said:
And really the idea of tracing guns at all is a hollywood myth anyway.
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In part, because legislation has intentionally made it difficult:

The ATF’s Nonsensical Non-Searchable Gun Databases, Explained
To perform a search, ATF investigators must find the specific index number of a former dealer, then search records chronologically for records of the exact gun they seek. They may review thousands of images in a search before they find the weapon they are looking for. That’s because dealer records are required to be “non-searchable” under federal law. Keyword searches, or sorting by date or any other field, are strictly prohibited.
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The government takes making gun records difficult to search quite seriously. A Government Accountability Office report released August 1 concluded that in two data systems, the ATF did not always comply with “restrictions prohibiting consolidation or centralization” of records. The GAO, which is entrusted with ensuring that federal agencies follow the law, was essentially chiding the ATF for making it a bit easier for its hundreds of investigators to do their jobs.
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Dr.Sid said:
I personally don't understand why is gun manufacture legal at all in US.
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The guns have to come from somewhere.

Manufacture is less regulated than sales.
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It is against the law in the USA to manufacture without a license. All licensees are vetted.

In most countries it's the other way around.
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Can you explain this?


You might be confusing manufacturing and making. The US Code defines a gun manufacturer as one who does it as a business and there is no way to legally do this without a license. A person like myself who makes firearms as a hobby is not required to obtain a license although I have to pay a $200 on certain kinds I make. For rifles/shotgun/handguns I don't need a license provided I'm not in the habit of selling them.
 
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crescent said:
Here's one:

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ONE?

And didn't he also have other guns that he used, so the Ghost meant diddley?

You want to infringe on my constitutional rights* prevent ONE of the bazillion violent acts in this country?

* IA, 2A, 5A,.... and the general Right to Express myself with my hobbies. (Home shop machinist among others)
 
Ranb said:
You might be confusing manufacturing and making. The US Code defines a gun manufacturer as one who does it as a business and there is no way to legally do this without a license. A person like myself who makes firearms as a hobby is not required to obtain a license although I have to pay a $200 on certain kinds I make. For rifles/shotgun/handguns I don't need a license provided I'm not in the habit of selling them.
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Yes, I mean 'making'. In most countries, there is no difference. It's not the commerce, what's being regulated, but the fact the gun is created.
State wants to know about it, have the serial number, and all the process to be tightly controlled. In US, not so much. As long as the gun is not sold, nobody cares ?
 
Dr.Sid said:
Yes, I mean 'making'. In most countries, there is no difference. It's not the commerce, what's being regulated, but the fact the gun is created.
State wants to know about it, have the serial number, and all the process to be tightly controlled. In US, not so much. As long as the gun is not sold, nobody cares ?
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On a federal level that is the case, provided it is not a kind of firearm like a short barreled shotgun/rifle, machine gun or so forth that has additional requirements on it.

Of course all states have their own laws on this. Though it might just be the owning is illegal not the making such as making a handgun without a handgun license
 
Dr.Sid said:
....As long as the gun is not sold, nobody cares ?
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Some states care. I'd have to take another look at the law to be sure, but as long as you only make a rifle, shotgun or handgun and keep it, then you don't need a serial number on it as far as the federal government is concerned. Laws that prohibit possession by felons and certain others still apply.
 
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