Santa shockingly sacked for serious, sexist, suggestion

cullennz said:
I can feel the handwringing, SJWs moral outrage from here as they made the decision to ditch him.

They probably did a group "jazz hands"


https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/farmers-ditch-traditional-santa-following-inappropriate-comments
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I'm pretty sure you've got the outraged set wrong. SJWs? Or shocked (shocked, I say) MRAs?

I'm going with the latter and the similar groups who oppose female Thor and black Green Lantern and all-female Ghostbusters. I know a lot of SJWs and most are going to see this as just another step in the right direction. Myths, legends and bedtime stories have always been created to appeal to the group-in-power. That's shifting, so let's shift the legends. Keep the good parts of the story and ditch the outmoded ones. Little Brave Sambo became Little Brave Sambo for a reason!

But the MRAs and other reactionaries? Those types will flock to this like flies to a dog turd. "No sirree. Don't like no changes. Good enough for my grand dad to believe in then it damned well should be good enough for you!"


Did you miss the part where Santa Claus is actually a made-up story? Who has the copyright in NZ?
 
Foolmewunz said:
I'm pretty sure you've got the outraged set wrong. SJWs? Or shocked (shocked, I say) MRAs?

I'm going with the latter and the similar groups who oppose female Thor and black Green Lantern and all-female Ghostbusters. I know a lot of SJWs and most are going to see this as just another step in the right direction. Myths, legends and bedtime stories have always been created to appeal to the group-in-power. That's shifting, so let's shift the legends. Keep the good parts of the story and ditch the outmoded ones. Little Brave Sambo became Little Brave Sambo for a reason!

But the MRAs and other reactionaries? Those types will flock to this like flies to a dog turd. "No sirree. Don't like no changes. Good enough for my grand dad to believe in then it damned well should be good enough for you!"


Did you miss the part where Santa Claus is actually a made-up story? Who has the copyright in NZ?
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You would have a point if the SJW's weren't such hypocrites

For example the outrage when they thought the person in the the new batwoman movie wasn't being played by a lesbian etc
 
cullennz said:
You would have a point if the SJW's weren't such hypocrites

For example the outrage when they thought the person in the the new batwoman movie wasn't being played by a lesbian etc
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And you would have a point if your mama didn't wear combat boots. (Translation: What the hell does that incident have to do with the OP other than another blanket attempt to get your wounded feelings about change into another one-off anecdote about evil SJWs.)

Stick to one embarrassing topic at a time. This thread is about your notion that we should continue to guide ourselves by 19th Century cultural traditions.
 
Foolmewunz said:
And you would have a point if your mama didn't wear combat boots. (Translation: What the hell does that incident have to do with the OP other than another blanket attempt to get your wounded feelings about change into another one-off anecdote about evil SJWs.)

Stick to one embarrassing topic at a time. This thread is about your notion that we should continue to guide ourselves by 19th Century cultural traditions.
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Your post said why can't made up characters change, because of some issue MRA's have

My post was pointing out an example of a made up character mistakenly thinking was being changed and the outrage from SJWs over it.

It is completely on topic with your reply
 
What's wrong with giving a Green Lantern ring to a female? Weren't there female Green Lanterns? Brown and white ones too?
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
What's wrong with giving a Green Lantern ring to a female? Weren't there female Green Lanterns? Brown and white ones too?
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Nothing

The Green Lantern changes a bit like Dr Who, but depending on who has the ring (or who it choses)

As long as you establish it is a different ring holder
 
cullennz said:
Your post said why can't made up characters change, because of some issue MRA's have

My post was pointing out an example of a made up character mistakenly thinking was being changed and the outrage from SJWs over it.

It is completely on topic with your reply
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Your example, frankly, sucks. But since you may be under the impression that it makes sense, let's address it so as to get rid of it.

Bat-Lesbian is the character in the TV series. The objection did not come from a wide base of the SJW community if there is even such a thing, but from a faction of the LGBTQ community, that gay (in this case lesbian) roles should be played by gay(lesbian) performers.

It am a stupid argument. Just as stupid as "men should play Santa Claus". But it addresses nothing about this thread. There have been minority actors who have fought for years to get roles for actors of their ethnicity or persuasion. Native Americans were notoriously played by caucasians. Blacks were played by white people in make-up. (Take a look at the extras in any Tarzan movie from the 30s to 50s.) A huge amount of the protests are economically based - we want work for actors from that demographic.

The current argument is stupid. There are any number of gay and lesbian performers playing straight and gay roles. This is not a "we're being cheated out of work" issue but a Little Johnny(Janey) One Note problem. It is not an issue in the gay community that I know and not an issue in the acting community. Idiot trolls drove an actress off Twitter. The world is coming to an end and the very fabric of our society is in peril! And as I mentioned,... track the story and see who's wringing their hands and clutching their pearls over it. Gossip sites who live off of conflict and right wing sites who live off of mocking SJWs where they don't exist.

And it has nothing to do with the issue of a stupid old fart getting fired because he won't allow his business behavior to keep up with the community. He should move to Arkansas and claim religious freedom. It's nice to see that all the old fossil rednecks aren't limited to the USA.
 
Lousy freaking minorities should get with the program and assimilate!! Don't change my culture!!

Lousy freaking minorities should never expect to be seen as part of the same culture!! Goes against tradition!!

Assimilate!! But never show up in anything reflecting today's society, geez. What is it with these invading non-whites and non-males? Don't they know it's "white men forever?" Just sit back, see nothing on display that includes you, and be a good, faithful follower.

Whiteness and sameness, forever and ever, amen. God bless us... except the dark children of Ham or uppity women, who are extra-bad sinners and not covered by the same grace... that excuses me from all responsibility for this mess of a planet.
 
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Hlafordlaes said:
Lousy freaking minorities should get with the program and assimilate!! Don't change my culture!!

Lousy freaking minorities should never expect to be seen as part of the same culture!! Goes against tradition!!

Assimilate!! But never show up in anything reflecting today's society, geez. What is it with these invading non-whites and non-males? Don't they know it's "white men forever?" Just sit back, see nothing on display that includes you, and be a good, faithful follower.

Whiteness and sameness, forever and ever, amen. God bless us... except the dark children of Ham or uppity women, who are extra-bad sinners and not covered by the same grace... that excuses me from all responsibility for this mess of a planet.
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Last time I checked females are the majority

At least in NZ
 
Foolmewunz said:
I'm pretty sure you've got the outraged set wrong. SJWs? Or shocked (shocked, I say) MRAs?

I'm going with the latter and the similar groups who oppose female Thor and black Green Lantern and all-female Ghostbusters. I know a lot of SJWs and most are going to see this as just another step in the right direction. Myths, legends and bedtime stories have always been created to appeal to the group-in-power. That's shifting, so let's shift the legends. Keep the good parts of the story and ditch the outmoded ones. Little Brave Sambo became Little Brave Sambo for a reason!

But the MRAs and other reactionaries? Those types will flock to this like flies to a dog turd. "No sirree. Don't like no changes. Good enough for my grand dad to believe in then it damned well should be good enough for you!"


Did you miss the part where Santa Claus is actually a made-up story? Who has the copyright in NZ?
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Belongs to the Coca Cola company doesn’t it?
 
cullennz said:
Last time I checked females are the majority

At least in NZ
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Should black or Māori people be denied the opportunity to be a "traditional" Santa Claus?

That the "traditional" Santa Claus is considered to be a white man in a red and white suit with a white beard is of course amusing in itself given the origins of that "traditional" Santa.
 
Cant females think up their own gift giving home invader? Why do they need a female santa claus? They already have Mary Poppins. How does Mrs Claus feel about being forced to become a lesbian? And just because there was a fat bearded chick in the Greatest Showman, doesnt mean that we want more fat bearded chicks in popular culture. Gender swaps are **** anyway, Case in point, lots of people like Wonder woman, but Wonder Man is a no name **** embarrasment even Marvel doesn't want to make a movie about him. And just look at Captain Marvel. The guy is now SHAZAM, and the chick is still that name and they both get their own movie. Hopefully they bang in the crossover.

Case Closed.
 
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This is the "original" Santa Claus. He's Middle Eastern, from Turkey. And he's arguably black or dark brown. And he probably spoke Armenian or Turkish, not English. And he almost certainly didn't go "Ho ho ho".

 
If Santa keeps changing sex then there are going will have to be even more creative ******** spouted at children to explain the increasing discrepancy between the real world and what their parents tell them.
 
I think I could get on board with a hot female Santa. Sneaks in the house at night with a little something for daddy. And just picture the teenage boys at the mall lining up to sit on her lap.
 
Darat said:
Should black or Māori people be denied the opportunity to be a "traditional" Santa Claus?

That the "traditional" Santa Claus is considered to be a white man in a red and white suit with a white beard is of course amusing in itself given the origins of that "traditional" Santa.
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Be sensible. How many parts of the world have flying reindeer? Reindeer are indigneous to...[look on Google and fill in the knowledge gap].
 
Norman Alexander said:
This is the "original" Santa Claus. He's Middle Eastern, from Turkey. And he's arguably black or dark brown. And he probably spoke Armenian or Turkish, not English. And he almost certainly didn't go "Ho ho ho".

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At last a discusssion on a serious topic.

St Nicholas:

Saint Nicholas
Jaroslav Čermák (1831 - 1878) - Sv. Mikuláš.jpg
Full-length icon of Saint Nicholas by Jaroslav Čermák, showing him with a halo, dressed in clerical garb, and holding a book of the scriptures in his left hand while making the hand gesture for the sign of the cross with his right.
Defender of Orthodoxy, Wonderworker, Holy Hierarch, Bishop of Myra
Born Traditionally 15 March 270[1]
Patara, Roman Empire
Died Traditionally 6 December 343 (aged 73)
Myra, Roman Empire
Venerated in Anglicanism, Baptist, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Methodism, Reformed
Major shrine Basilica di San Nicola, Bari, Italy
Feast 19 December [O.S. 6 December] (main feast day – Saint Nicholas Day)
22 May [O.S. 9 May] (translation of relics)[2]
Attributes Vested as a Bishop. In Eastern Christianity, wearing an omophorion and holding a Gospel Book. Sometimes shown with Jesus Christ over one shoulder, holding a Gospel Book, and with the Theotokos over the other shoulder, holding an omophorion
Patronage Children, coopers, sailors, fishermen, merchants, broadcasters, the falsely accused, repentant thieves, brewers, pharmacists, archers, pawnbrokers, Aberdeen, Galway, Russia, Greece, Hellenic Navy, Liverpool, Bari, Siggiewi, Moscow, Amsterdam, Lorraine and Duchy of Lorraine
Saint Nicholas of Myra[a] (traditionally 15 March 270 – 6 December 343),[3][4] also known as Nicholas of Bari, was an early Christian bishop of the ancient Greek city of Myra in Asia Minor (modern-day Demre, Turkey) during the time of the Roman Empire.[7] He is revered by many Christians as a saint.[8] Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nicholas the Wonderworker.
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...is NOT the real Father Christmas. His is a Christian cultural appropriation of the pagan nordic god the 'pukki' (which means 'goat').

IOW when Swedes / Finns speak of Joulu/Jul (Christmas) 'Pukki' the literal meaning is 'Christmas goat' and not a human at all.

Fact is, 'Santa Claus' (a Dutch phrase) in his red gear is an invention by Coca-Cola.

That's not to say the true Father Christmas doesn't exist.

Joulupukki is a Finnish Christmas figure. The name "Joulupukki" literally means "Christmas goat" or "Yule Goat" in Finnish; the word pukki comes from the Teutonic root bock, which is a cognate of the English "buck", and means "billy-goat". An old Scandinavian custom, the figure eventually became more or less conflated with Santa Claus.[1]
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Vixen said:
At last a discusssion on a serious topic.

St Nicholas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

...is NOT the real Father Christmas. His is a Christian cultural appropriation of the pagan nordic god the 'pukki' (which means 'goat').

IOW when Swedes / Finns speak of Joulu/Jul (Christmas) 'Pukki' the literal meaning is 'Christmas goat' and not a human at all.

Fact is, 'Santa Claus' (a Dutch phrase) in his red gear is an invention by Coca-Cola.

That's not to say the true Father Christmas doesn't exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joulupukki
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All of which has little to do with the English Father Christmas
 
Firstly, let's compromise by keeping Santa male but making him a drag queen. Xmas is already a fabulous holiday so it fits as smoothly as a professional tuck.

Secondly, the myths changed over time, as myths do. The original Santa was a huge tentacled monstrosity from eldritch abysses beyond the stars, and to gaze upon it brought instant madness. The modern version was made palatable and cute because nobody could bear to think of the cosmic horror that no doubt still lies dead by dreaming in the cyclopean ruins of blasphemous geometry in dread X'maslyeh.

Thirdly, we already have a more modern and universally acceptable holiday icon in St Walrus, who comes through a dimensional portal on St Walrustide Eve to bring heaps of dead fish to the good, and a thick coating of reeking mucus to the evil. For an uncertain understanding of what St Walrus perceives good and evil to be, it's obscure to humans which only adds to the delightful surprise. It's definitely best not to openly display any walrus tusk ivory you might possess, though.
 
Vixen said:
Be sensible. How many parts of the world have flying reindeer? Reindeer are indigneous to...[look on Google and fill in the knowledge gap].
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Flying reindeer? Where are they indigenous to? They live in what is referred to as a fantasy so they may as well be from South Island as Lapland. I think there's a large herd of them outside of Slough, in fact.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Flying reindeer? Where are they indigenous to? They live in what is referred to as a fantasy so they may as well be from South Island as Lapland. I think there's a large herd of them outside of Slough, in fact.
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Reindeer don't actually fly, of course. They can only hover.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Reindeer don't actually fly, of course. They can only hover.
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Which is why we have other associations with Christmas, Santa obviously needs the reindeer to have a propulsion system so he feeds the reindeer with sprouts. That is also why Rudolph wasn't known for having a red nose, people have gotten that one 180 degrees wrong for quite some.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Flying reindeer? Where are they indigenous to? They live in what is referred to as a fantasy so they may as well be from South Island as Lapland. I think there's a large herd of them outside of Slough, in fact.
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They fly wherever you find amanita muscaria mushrooms, of course, silly. Reindeer love the stuff.

Specific to the ecosystems and microfungal symbiotic connections found only around the birch, pine and fir, which are usually found together.

Where the reindeer roam.
 
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