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That's a little aggressive, don't you think? This "doxing" you're referring to happens by the right to those on the left as well. It sucks, but it sounds like a lot of people are seeing this interaction for what it was.
This is a prime example of what someone stated before. The 1st Amendment applies to everyone, whether you like it or not, and that's all that doxing and protesting is. Sorry you don't like it, build a bridge. |
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What actually is a "race grifter"?
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When I first heard that a teenager was mocking a native American drummer, I was really hoping he said, "you can't do that on the balcony, buddy?"
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To clarify, the Native American guy who confronted the high schoolers was taking the side of an actual hate group, as defined by the SPLC.
The race grifters ignore that fact, and now the actual targets of an actual hate group are getting death threats from The Resistance. |
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Instead of being pompous maybe you can point out the lies that you claim I have posted. In your own time. And some of the racism from the video too. Make sure you ignore the dozens of instances of blatant racism that don't fit your agenda and concentrate on the white kids in hats, especially when one of them stands and looks at your hero there.
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From everything I've read, you're lying when you say that. He stated he was trying to defuse the situation by playing his prayer chant or whatever. He never said he was taking anyone's side and the entire thing was non-violent. If, as you've bellowed repeatedly, the "other side" was racist, and violent, why wasn't Mr. Phillips? Not everything that happens needs to be partisan and as mentioned before, sometimes all parties are just morons.
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What situation was he trying to defuse?
And would you say the best way of diffusing a situation is walking into the middle of a crowd of 100 people and, without saying a word, start banging a drum in their face? Why didn't he bang a drum at the agitators - the black group? This guy is an activist and proven liar. Why are you so eager to take his side? |
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Or I can point out that you are attacking the victim in this matter.
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And yes, I am not fretting over their confrontation with the Black Israel group. I know what they are and I'm not caring that a bunch of kids got into a screaming match with them. I am worried that a bunch of said kids wearing a racists hat pulled a confrontation stare-down while mocking and surrounding Phillips, no matter how you try to rewrite the story. So, as I predicted, Nathan Phillips is being Dead Agented, by you. Its the post Charlottesville rewrite all over again. |
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RACIST BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES BECOMING MORE MILITANT
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...-more-militant And Mr. Phillips had a single solid tear tumbling down his cheek when he confronted the high schoolers, ignoring the actual hate group. |
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It seems to me that this is a bar brawl that has nothing to do with the actual event. I saw the video, and there appeared to be three groups, each following their own agenda and doing some chanting. There were mild confrontations between some of them and some mocking and yelling, but the situation didn't escalate and no violence happened.
What I saw were groups of people exerting their right to express their opinion. Some of these opinions I strongly disagree with, but that is beside the point. They seemed to mostly restrict themselves to verbal utterances, and it seems nobody was physically hurt. If you are mentally hurt by people expressing their opinion, stay away from such events. In short .... what is the problem, here? Hans |
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No, they should not. That isn't their job, they aren't well suited to the role.
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites
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The victim! Listen to yourself. In what way is he a victim? He went out of his way to confront a group of kids and one of them stared at him whilst a few others did a stupid tomahawk dance. If that makes a victim in your eyes then I don't know what to say.
"Punching down of a kids who wear the hats of an open racist"? Er, OK. But I don't doubt your motivations for a minute. You would rather fly into hysterics about a white kid who stares at a Native American than post a single word of criticism about a group of blacks who spend over an hour shouting the most vile racist, homophobic abuse and making threats of violence. Maybe you should watch the video as opposed to writing stuff that anybody can see is baloney. Sorry, are you looking for applause? There you go ![]() |
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Well, talk of how morbid and dark things seemed for me in those days aside let us examine the counter argument being put forth here.
Nathan walked over to the kids and....that excuses everything? Seriously people, how often in touristy areas do you see performers approach groups of people performing their thing? I see it all the time in San Francisco. Know what I never see? I never see those groups rally to conduct an impromptu counter demonstration. |
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My best guess would be what some have described as rising tensions between the black group and the catholic kids. I could be wrong, and will gladly admit if I am. That's what is awesome about me. I can accept that I do get things wrong from time to time.
He went up to each and every person and started "banging a drum in their face"? I must have missed that part. I'm not taking anyone's side. That was literally my ******* point buddy. Did you read the post? I think all parties involved are garbage, attention seeking morons. I don't hold one above the other. If you've noticed, I also haven't naysayed the kids either. I did nothing other than say I didn't see Mr. Phillips taking a side, and TBD was lying when he said that Phillips did. Now he's changed his gripe to say Phillips was "ignoring" the violent and angry black people. Which, he might have been. I don't give a ****, it's not on Mr. Phillips to confront every single individual, or anyone at all. Hence why I said, I'm not taking sides. I get it though, to some of you that's impossible. |
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Because I'm well aware that people are jerks, bigots, profit oriented, and/or suckers...
I'm not surprised that teenagers wearing MAGA hats are deplorable, with the caveat at the bottom. I'm not surprised that the Native American guy provoked the confrontation, although I expect more from adults than teens. I'm not surprised there are hateful religious fanatics like the "Black Israelites". I expect better from the media. As the facts emerge, I expect the outlets that told a misleading story to correct the record / tell a fuller story. (I hope to have time later today to see which outlets did and didn't knee-jerk.) I'm not surprised that people reacted to the crappy news coverage the way they did, what with people being suckers. I expect reasonable people to adjust to the facts as they emerge however. I'm not surprised that the discussion here turns tribal. However, I don't think it's reasonable to use any of the actors here as representative. I'm perpetually surprised that the President of the United States embodies a mind-boggling list of negative characteristics, any one of which should cause a rational, non-bigoted adult to recoil in disgust. It's appalling that the school would allow the teens to wear hate symbols on a school outing, but that's a sign of the topsy-turvy times we live in. |
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By his own words, he approached hoping to diffuse the confrontation. You might complain about his naivite but not what happened. A kid tried to do a confrontational staredown (please, stop pretending otherwise, its tiresome) and the other kids chanted 'Build the wall' and did racist chants.
So just because he was not harmed in any serious does not mean he is not a victim. If you have a more accurate term that isn't just more Dead Agenting of Phillips I'd like to hear it.
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Everyone who has lived in a major city for more than a week knows about these guys. They are legendary for obnoxious behavior and yelling racist crap at just about anyone: white, black, latino, asian, christian, muslim, jewish. So you have video of the Black Isrealites being obnoxious to the kids in MAGA hats. File an article with 'DUH!' magazine. It does not excuse their behavior, pointing at other people's crappy behavior.
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Hate group that everyone knows about, including minors from Covington KY?
Yeah, no. This native american activist is lying and is a race grifter just like the vast majority of the resistance. |
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If there was tension, who was causing it? It's pretty obvious it was the black group so why didn't he confront them? The answer is simple, he wasn't trying to diffuse anything, he was doing what activists do, drawing attention to a cause.
I think you're grasping at straws there. And that's my point. Was I anything less than clear? You should hold one group above the other unless you have an agenda to fulfil. One group consists of kids who basically do nothing other than jump up and down. The other group consists of adults shouting racist, homophobic, violent taunts. In what clown world should these two groups be equally derided? No, I get it, you're not taking a side... when you should be. |
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