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Old 11th June 2019, 04:27 PM   #3001
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
You have no evidence it is corrupt.
We have a SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT whose company is getting 10's of millions of dollars in funding from sources that are hiding their identities, but some are known to be foreigners. This SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT also happens to be married to the president's favorite daughter. Yes, I do consider it to be corruption for a person in such a position to have business ventures with anonymous foreigners (who likely have connections to foreign governments). "Corruption" is not limited to activities that are explicitly illegal.
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Old 11th June 2019, 04:31 PM   #3002
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Why is it i bristle everytime i see that: "Our Patriot Farmers". What about us "Patriot Estimators" or "Patriot Engineers" or even "Patriot Production Control" people? Huh?
And are patriots fruits or vegetables?
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Old 11th June 2019, 04:34 PM   #3003
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
We have a SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT whose company is getting 10's of millions of dollars in funding from sources that are hiding their identities, but some are known to be foreigners. This SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT also happens to be married to the president's favorite daughter. Yes, I do consider it to be corruption for a person in such a position to have business ventures with anonymous foreigners (who likely have connections to foreign governments). "Corruption" is not limited to activities that are explicitly illegal.
Someone has told you about Bob right?
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Old 11th June 2019, 04:35 PM   #3004
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Originally Posted by gregthehammer View Post
Why is it i bristle everytime i see that: "Our Patriot Farmers". What about us "Patriot Estimators" or "Patriot Engineers" or even "Patriot Production Control" people? Huh?
That's what they call them in China and in the old Soviet Union.


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Every time he uses "Great Patriot____________" he reminds me of the typical Soviet Russia rhetoric.
Yep.
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Old 11th June 2019, 04:37 PM   #3005
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Says the man who single-handedly destroyed the American soybean industry.
Shhhh... Don't look behind the curtain.
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Old 11th June 2019, 04:39 PM   #3006
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
The document is here.


Quite a few banks, railroad companies, and corporations.
Corporations are people, apparently. The scuttlebutt is they know it's almost the same as NAFTA.
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Old 11th June 2019, 04:45 PM   #3007
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Don't forget the valiant and patriotic sex workers who bravely pee on each other for the entertainment of presidents.
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Old 11th June 2019, 05:48 PM   #3008
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Trump's bitch boy Barr (what do you call the bitch boy of a Russian whore? hmm...) must be a bit worried about his contempt citation. He's starting to make threats. I guess they hit him in a soft spot.
I get the feeling he is sensitive to what other lawyers think of him. A lawyer who ignores the rule of law is a kind of traitor. That he acts like it just doesn't matter is not going to increase his professional standing.
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Old 11th June 2019, 06:15 PM   #3009
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I get the feeling he is sensitive to what other lawyers think of him. A lawyer who ignores the rule of law is a kind of traitor. That he acts like it just doesn't matter is not going to increase his professional standing.
He was still working as a lawyer when he betrayed his country and sold out to Trump. He may not be welcomed back by respectable lawyers who follow the rule of law and remained loyal to the nation.
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Old 11th June 2019, 06:16 PM   #3010
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Remember when Trump said he was going to fight for LGBTQ rights around the world? I guess the support is going to be covert.

Administration bans US embassies from displaying rainbow flags during Pride Month.
That was shortly after taking multiple high-profile moves against the T part of LGBT and over, say, 100 cases of very clearly showing that they are not showing actual solidarity with the LGBT community. Still, it actually is telling that I can't refute the related claim that this is the most LGBT-friendly Republican administration in history.
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Old 11th June 2019, 06:19 PM   #3011
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
I get the feeling he is sensitive to what other lawyers think of him. A lawyer who ignores the rule of law is a kind of traitor. That he acts like it just doesn't matter is not going to increase his professional standing.
The moment Barr runs into legal trouble, Trump will drop him like he's hot. Trump doesn't associate with losers, and Barr will realise that Donny's promises of support are as hollow as his head. Trump will say that he never liked Barr after all, probably because he couldn't even get coffee (covfefe?) satisfactorily.
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Old 11th June 2019, 06:27 PM   #3012
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
We have a SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT whose company is getting 10's of millions of dollars in funding from sources that are hiding their identities, but some are known to be foreigners. This SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT also happens to be married to the president's favorite daughter. Yes, I do consider it to be corruption for a person in such a position to have business ventures with anonymous foreigners (who likely have connections to foreign governments). "Corruption" is not limited to activities that are explicitly illegal.
There is a logical reason for criminalizing the appearance of corruption. It is very difficult to identify corrupt intent, so it is easy to ban both. However, that does ban things that appear corrupt but are not actually corrupt.

What people then do is conflate corruption with the appearance of corruption.

Corruption is having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain. You have no idea if Kushner is acting dishonesty because of this arrangement.
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Old 11th June 2019, 06:56 PM   #3013
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
There is a logical reason for criminalizing the appearance of corruption. It is very difficult to identify corrupt intent, so it is easy to ban both. However, that does ban things that appear corrupt but are not actually corrupt.

What people then do is conflate corruption with the appearance of corruption.

Corruption is having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain. You have no idea if Kushner is acting dishonesty because of this arrangement.
He is making personal gains for himself by virtue of his office. That is specifically illegal in the USA for public officers.
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Old 11th June 2019, 07:04 PM   #3014
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Originally Posted by gregthehammer View Post
Why is it i bristle everytime i see that: "Our Patriot Farmers". What about us "Patriot Estimators" or "Patriot Engineers" or even "Patriot Production Control" people? Huh?
And letís not forget Tom Brady and the great Patriot Patriots!
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Old 11th June 2019, 07:22 PM   #3015
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I'll pay Trump a million dollars for each of these books he has actually read.
Won't help, he'll lie and just claim he read it. After all, lying liars are know to lie...ÖÖ..
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Old 11th June 2019, 07:22 PM   #3016
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He is making personal gains for himself by virtue of his office. That is specifically illegal in the USA for public officers.
Based on the article provided, you don't know if the deal was because of his office. It could be independent of it.
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Old 11th June 2019, 07:26 PM   #3017
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

Trump's bitch boy Barr (what do you call the bitch boy of a Russian whore? hmm...) must be a bit worried about his contempt citation. He's starting to make threats. I guess they hit him in a soft spot.
His brain seems mighty soft and I heard he used to work in a peg house!!!
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Old 11th June 2019, 07:27 PM   #3018
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Based on the article provided, you don't know if the deal was because of his office. It could be independent of it.
Sure, Bob.
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Old 11th June 2019, 07:43 PM   #3019
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Sure, Bob.
Your the side claiming it is corruption. I'm rejecting that claim, what piece of information reveals that it was about his position?
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Old 11th June 2019, 08:35 PM   #3020
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Your the side claiming it is corruption. I'm rejecting that claim, what piece of information reveals that it was about his position?
Even if you only got news and information from the forum you'd know these guys aren't exactly hiding their corruption. It's more like shoving it in people's faces with contempt.

Have you tried Googling "Kushner corrupt" or Kushner profiteering"?
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Old 11th June 2019, 08:59 PM   #3021
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And letís not forget Tom Brady and the great Patriot Patriots!
And our patriot comedians.
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Old 11th June 2019, 09:06 PM   #3022
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I guess Kushner falls that very narrow sweet spot. He is just competent enough to hold the highest Security clearance as he does his job, but he is just incompetent enough that no one need accuse him of of wrong-doing when he absent-mindedly leaves multi-million-dollar connections to foreign entities off his security application (amongst other million-dollar “mistakes.”)
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Old 11th June 2019, 09:31 PM   #3023
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Even if you only got news and information from the forum you'd know these guys aren't exactly hiding their corruption. It's more like shoving it in people's faces with contempt.

Have you tried Googling "Kushner corrupt" or Kushner profiteering"?
I don't reject all claims that Kushner is corrupt. We are talking about a specific incident.
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Originally Posted by gregthehammer View Post
Why is it i bristle everytime i see that: "Our Patriot Farmers". What about us "Patriot Estimators" or "Patriot Engineers" or even "Patriot Production Control" people? Huh?
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Every time he uses "Great Patriot____________" he reminds me of the typical Soviet Russia rhetoric.
Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
And are patriots fruits or vegetables?
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That's what they call them in China and in the old Soviet Union.


Yep.
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And let’s not forget Tom Brady and the great Patriot Patriots!
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And our patriot comedians.
And the rather exclusive group that Donald J. Trump and I belong to.... "Our Great Patriot Draft Dodgers".

Be very suspicious when puppet masters call you a Great Patriot Anything. They're playing up the "give up a lot for your country" angle. In Trumpspeak calling someone or some group "Great Patriot XXXXX" means "we just bent you over a stool and had our way with you, thanks for your service".
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Your the side claiming it is corruption. I'm rejecting that claim, what piece of information reveals that it was about his position?
What is this "sides" nonsense? If he was a Democrat he would be equally suspicious. The only "side" inthis is the Trump side. You, me and everyone else are being screwed by these people.
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What is this "sides" nonsense? If he was a Democrat he would be equally suspicious. The only "side" inthis is the Trump side. You, me and everyone else are being screwed by these people.
Your side is the position of asserting a claim.
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Your side is the position of asserting a claim.
1. Looks like a duck.
2. Smells like a duck.
3. Quacks like a duck.
4. Waddles like a duck.
5. It has duck feathers.
6. It lays duck eggs.

So obviously it is a giraffe.

Pull the other one, Bob. It's got bells on.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
And the rather exclusive group that Donald J. Trump and I belong to.... "Our Great Patriot Draft Dodgers".

Be very suspicious when puppet masters call you a Great Patriot Anything. They're playing up the "give up a lot for your country" angle. In Trumpspeak calling someone or some group "Great Patriot XXXXX" means "we just bent you over a stool and had our way with you, thanks for your service".
If he picks a fight with Iran, will he call it the Great Patriotic War?
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If he picks a fight with Iran, will he call it the Great Patriotic War?
Only if he wins it.

If he doesn't or even if it all goes badly, he will bug out and it will all be Obama's fault. Or the Democrat's fault. Or the military's fault. Or Nancy Pelosi's fault. Or Mexico's fault. Or Puerto Rico's fault... Basically, anybody else's fault but him. He was against it always right from the start.
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Only if he wins it.
what would be the definition of winning a war against Iran?
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Corruption is having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain. You have no idea if Kushner is acting dishonesty because of this arrangement.
Didn't he repeatedly lie on his application form to get a security clearance?
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Didn't he repeatedly lie on his application form to get a security clearance?
He is corrupt. But the question is if he was corrupt because of a specific incident.
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Continuing his normal security practices, Trump boasted of a "secret agreement" with Mexico and waved around a document containing the agreement, enabling reporters to photograph the contents.

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President Trump has claimed for two days that he secured a secret immigration deal with Mexico — beyond the one announced Friday. But the White House has declined to disclose any details, and Mexico has denied it. Confronted with understandable skepticism that such a deal exists, Trump produced a folded piece of paper from his breast pocket Tuesday.

And a particularly good photographer, The Washington Post’s Jabin Botsford, snapped an image that reveals some of the document’s contents.

It's notable that the document isn't signed by heads of state, diplomats, or ambassadors. The signatures are from an acting legal adviser in the U.S. State Department and a deputy legal adviser in Mexico’s Foreign Ministry.
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Didn't he repeatedly lie on his application form to get a security clearance?
You don't have evidence that he lied.

You have an event.

Your explanation for the event is that he lied.

The event itself is not evidence for the explanation. You need evidence for the explanation.
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So President Trump is praising a letter that says he was full of **** when he described NAFTA as the worst trade deal in the history of this country (Sept 2016).


Yeah, that's par for the course.
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You don't have evidence that he lied.

You have an event.

Your explanation for the event is that he lied.

The event itself is not evidence for the explanation. You need evidence for the explanation.
Yes, there is evidence.
When you submit your application, you sign that you haven't left anything of relevance out.
Kushner had to re-submit multiple times due to missing information about foreign contacts, ergo he lied when he said his application was complete.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Based on the article provided, you don't know if the deal was because of his office. It could be independent of it.
Not that you'd necessarily disagree, but it's precisely that we can't know if the deal was because of his office that Kushner's situation is a problem.
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Old 12th June 2019, 07:29 AM   #3040
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Yes, there is evidence.
When you submit your application, you sign that you haven't left anything of relevance out.
Kushner had to re-submit multiple times due to missing information about foreign contacts, ergo he lied when he said his application was complete.
This is what I don't get.
I'm pretty sure that if any other (aka ordinary) person did that they would never have got clearance after the first "forgetful" moment, let alone multiple ones.

Actually, I lie. I do get it, but consider it something of a flaw with the system.
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