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Old 21st August 2019, 07:08 AM   #361
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I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns shortly after losing re-election. I can't see him meeting with the president-elect to give advice, or sitting through the inauguration.
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Old 21st August 2019, 07:09 AM   #362
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Meanwhile...

The Secretary of Energy, the department tasked with overseeing our nuclear stockpile, is posting pseudo-legal screeds on instagram. Only the best people in the Trump cabinet.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECdyttkWwAAJ82Z.jpg:small
Oh my goodness, that is straight from the freedom of land craziness.
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Old 21st August 2019, 07:09 AM   #363
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns shortly after losing re-election. I can't see him meeting with the president-elect to give advice, or sitting through the inauguration.
I can't see the President elect wanting to meet Trump either, so it would be a win-win.
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I DO NOT CONSENT!!!!
Or since the agreement will have the words something like " I agree to the terms and conditions" he is being stupid.
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Old 21st August 2019, 07:14 AM   #365
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Or less.
No, I think the best way is that the USA and the rest of the world just never mention this terrible time again. I think we can all agree to that.
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Old 21st August 2019, 07:19 AM   #366
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I wouldn't be surprised if he resigns shortly after losing re-election. I can't see him meeting with the president-elect to give advice, or sitting through the inauguration.
He would first make sure to issue pardons for himself, his family, and whichever cronies were sufficiently loyal at that moment.
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Old 21st August 2019, 07:28 AM   #367
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Doing great with China and other Trade Deals. The only problem we have is Jay Powell and the Fed. He’s like a golfer who can’t putt, has no touch. Big U.S. growth if he does the right thing, BIG CUT - but don’t count on him! So far he has called it wrong, and only let us down....

.....We are competing with many countries that have a far lower interest rate, and we should be lower than them. Yesterday, “highest Dollar in U.S.History.” No inflation. Wake up Federal Reserve. Such growth potential, almost like never before!
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Old 21st August 2019, 07:29 AM   #368
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My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3000, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Very little impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
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Old 21st August 2019, 07:32 AM   #369
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So Germany is paying Zero interest and is actually being paid to borrow money, while the U.S., a far stronger and more important credit, is paying interest and just stopped (I hope!) Quantitative Tightening. Strongest Dollar in History, very tough on exports. No Inflation!.....

....WHERE IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3000, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Very little impact on the environment! Foolish executives!

For context, he proposed rolling back federal automotive fuel efficiency and emissions standards (they're President Obama's, after all) and is fighting California's ability to set their own standards, but four automakers agreed to follow California's stricter standards.

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Four major automakers said on Thursday they have reached an agreement with California on fuel efficiency rules, bypassing a Trump administration effort to strip the state of the right to fight climate change by setting its own standards.
California and other states had vowed to enforce stricter Obama-era emissions standards, after President Donald Trump proposed rolling back the federal rules. Automakers had worried that court battles between state and federal governments could create years of uncertainty for manufacturers.

The White House showed no willingness to reopen talks, saying “the federal government, not a single state, should set this standard. We are moving forward to finalize a rule for the benefit of all Americans.”

State's Rights!! Unless corporations don't want it. Oh wait, these corporations do. What a conundrum.
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Old 21st August 2019, 08:16 AM   #371
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Oh my goodness, that is straight from the freedom of land craziness.
This was the guy who didn't know that he would be in charge of maintaining our nuclear arsenal until after he got the job.
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
For context, he proposed rolling back federal automotive fuel efficiency and emissions standards (they're President Obama's, after all) and is fighting California's ability to set their own standards, but four automakers agreed to follow California's stricter standards.




State's Rights!! Unless corporations don't want it. Oh wait, these corporations do. What a conundrum.
They are "politically correct."

OR

maybe it's a financial decision based on things like sunk costs and issues of meeting all the standards all over (so, for example, they don't have to make a "Texas car" and a "California car." They just make the California car and sell it everywhere).

Finally, it's not like consumers don't like gas mileage. And maybe it is cheaper up front, but give me 10 more mpg, and that is 150 more miles per tank of gas. If I am getting 30 mpg instead of 20, than is 5 gallons of gas saved per tank, and at $3/gallon, that is $15 per tank. If you fill up once a week, that's $750 per year you save. So by going with better gas mileage, I have just made up that $3000 cost difference in 4 years. We drive our cars for 10. So over 10 years, that is a difference of $4500.

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Old 21st August 2019, 08:30 AM   #373
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Apparently it's more important to cater towards Israelis than Americans. Now that's patriotic.
I didn't interpret Trump's disloyalty comment as American Jews being disloyal to Trump or America, but disloyal to Israel. Seems pretty clear to me that Trump views American Jews as basically foreign nationals from Israel, so the ideological split between American Jews and Israeli policy is hard for him to understand.

I'm sure the implicit accusation that American Jews are more foreigners than Americans is not lost on the Jews, but fits well within the narrative non-jew Trumpistas believe. Expecting them to have the nuanced reasoning to understand that believing American Jews are automatically loyal to Israel is an anti-Semitic trope and insult is a bridge too far.
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Old 21st August 2019, 08:41 AM   #374
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Interesting bit of news that got buried: at the same event at which he accused Democrat-voting Jews of "disloyalty", just before that statement grabbed all the press; apparently Trump conceded that there might be a "small, two-month recession" on the way, but that it's okay because it's necessary in order to ultimately win the trade war. This despite him and his advisers in recent days expounding that there's absolutely no evidence of an impending recession.
Ummm.... technically I don't think its possible to have a '2 month recession'.

A recession is defined by a decline in GDP over 2 quarters. The shortest possible recession would be one that lasted half a year.
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Old 21st August 2019, 08:42 AM   #375
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He has changed his position from "Imma nuke you!" to exchanging love letters.

It's also notable that Kim has ceased making threats against USA, and is firing missiles on trajectories not towards US and its allies.

The situation is completely different to what it was in 2017.
Yep. Kim has got the POTUS wrapped around his chubby little finger. Never got that far before.
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They are "politically correct."

OR

maybe it's a financial decision based on things like sunk costs and issues of meeting all the standards all over (so, for example, they don't have to make a "Texas car" and a "California car." They just make the California car and sell it everywhere).

Finally, it's not like consumers don't like gas mileage. And maybe it is cheaper up front, but give me 10 more mpg, and that is 150 more miles per tank of gas. If I am getting 30 mpg instead of 20, than is 5 gallons of gas saved per tank, and at $3/gallon, that is $15 per tank. If you fill up once a week, that's $750 per year you save. So by going with better gas mileage, I have just made up that $3000 cost difference in 4 years. We drive our cars for 10. So over 10 years, that is a difference of $4500.

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It depends on the consumer and depends on how it is pitched. IIRC there was a study which showed that a majority of Conservatives would buy non-eco lightbulbs even if they were more expensive to buy and run if the alternatives were branded as ECO.
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It depends on the consumer and depends on how it is pitched. IIRC there was a study which showed that a majority of Conservatives would buy non-eco lightbulbs even if they were more expensive to buy and run if the alternatives were branded as ECO.
And of course there is rolling coal.
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Apparently it's more important to cater towards Israelis than Americans. Now that's patriotic.
Well, I guess if you were measuring 'patriotism' it might be considered a step up compared to catering to Russia. At least Israel is sort of an ally.
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To absolutely nobody's surprise....

Looks like Trump has abandoned his call for stricter background checks following recent mass shootings.

From: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/polit...rre/index.html
In the aftermath of the two shootings, Trump signaled support for strengthening background checks, but has since cooled on the idea, repeating a familiar pattern he's taken in the wake of gun tragedies after news coverage has subsided. A source familiar with the details of Tuesday's call between Trump and LaPierre, first reported by The Atlantic, said the President told the NRA chief that universal background checks are "off the table."

Republicans gotta get that sweet Russian-backed NRA support somehow.
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President Trump went on Twitter on Wednesday to quote a conservative radio host and known conspiracy theorist who praised him as “the greatest President for Jews” and claimed that Israelis “love him like he is the second coming of God.”

In his tweets, Trump thanked Wayne Allyn Root for “the very nice words.”

Root has promoted numerous conspiracy theories, including that former president Barack Obama was not born in the United States, that Democratic National Committee staff member Seth Rich was killed by any one of a number of prominent Democrats, that a mass shooting in Las Vegas was coordinated by Muslims and that the person responsible for the death of Heather Heyer at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville was paid by a wealthy Democrat.

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Root’s comments came from a broadcast Tuesday night by Newsmax, in which he also lamented that “75 percent of all Jews vote Democrat.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...be4_story.html

Of course you'd have to be utterly insane to write a tribute like that.
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It depends on the consumer and depends on how it is pitched. IIRC there was a study which showed that a majority of Conservatives would buy non-eco lightbulbs even if they were more expensive to buy and run if the alternatives were branded as ECO.
In North Dakota you wouldn't be able to run too many of the electric\high MPG cars because they just aren't made to function in our winters.

You just don't see electric cars up here with any regularity because it would be the equivalent of having a motorcycle. You can drive it during the summer, but you need something reliable (preferably all or 4 WD) in order to function.
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Can't wait for evangelical Christians to explain away the POTUS endorsing the idea that he's the second coming of the Messiah.
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Can't wait for evangelical Christians to explain away the POTUS endorsing the idea that he's the second coming of the Messiah.
There's gonna not care while looking at the two SCOTUS Justices he put on the Supreme Court for them.
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Can't wait for evangelical Christians to explain away the POTUS endorsing the idea that he's the second coming of the Messiah.
They already feel he was chosen by god to lead them, why is this suddenly a bridge to far?
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They already feel he was chosen by god to lead them, why is this suddenly a bridge to far?
Oh, they're gonna do it. The insanity will be delicious.

Laughing is preferable to going insane, so I'll laugh. I must have died sometime in the last few years and now I'm in hell. It's the only explanation.

Edit:

Trump has clarified that his disloyalty comment meant that American Jews were disloyal to Israel. So there you go, Trump criticizing American Jews for failing to live up to the anti-semitic trope that they owe loyalty to Israel.

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To absolutely nobody's surprise....

Looks like Trump has abandoned his call for stricter background checks following recent mass shootings.
That's simple math. Such a law would offer no help whatsoever for his chances in 2020. The only thing it could possibly do is save some American lives.
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In North Dakota you wouldn't be able to run too many of the electric\high MPG cars because they just aren't made to function in our winters.

You just don't see electric cars up here with any regularity because it would be the equivalent of having a motorcycle. You can drive it during the summer, but you need something reliable (preferably all or 4 WD) in order to function.
There are electric all-wheel drive vehicles. And I'm not sure why they would be considered 'less reliable' than a gasoline-powered vehicle. In fact, the electric motors may actually be less prone to failure than the internal combustion engine.

Now, range might be an issue... someone living in rural areas in the state may need to drive further than an electric vehicle can handle. But, a large number of people in North Dakota do live in cities (I'd say half live in small to medium size cities of at least 25,000 people). Those people probably don't require the range that people living in rural areas do, and could probably use an electric car for their daily use.
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There are electric all-wheel drive vehicles. And I'm not sure why they would be considered 'less reliable' than a gasoline-powered vehicle. In fact, the electric motors may actually be less prone to failure than the internal combustion engine.

Now, range might be an issue... someone living in rural areas in the state may need to drive further than an electric vehicle can handle. But, a large number of people in North Dakota do live in cities (I'd say half live in small to medium size cities of at least 25,000 people). Those people probably don't require the range that people living in rural areas do, and could probably use an electric car for their daily use.
Cold can also be an issue, as it kills pure electric vehicle range. Not sure hybrids would be a problem though.
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There are electric all-wheel drive vehicles. And I'm not sure why they would be considered 'less reliable' than a gasoline-powered vehicle. In fact, the electric motors may actually be less prone to failure than the internal combustion engine.

Now, range might be an issue...
Cold can also be an issue, as it kills pure electric vehicle range. Not sure hybrids would be a problem though.
Cold does affect battery performance. But, the loss of range is around 20-40%. If you're living and working in (for example) Fargo, you should still be able to get to and from your work even on colder days.
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My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3000, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Very little impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
Wow, who else could have come up with such an astonishingly, revolutionary plan?
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Oh and now he's all upset because the Danish PM "blew him off". The man has skin the thickness of wet tissue paper.
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Can't wait for evangelical Christians to explain away the POTUS endorsing the idea that he's the second coming of the Messiah.
Mike Pence is either the most confused man in the world right now or the most delighted.
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In North Dakota you wouldn't be able to run too many of the electric\high MPG cars because they just aren't made to function in our winters.

You just don't see electric cars up here with any regularity because it would be the equivalent of having a motorcycle. You can drive it during the summer, but you need something reliable (preferably all or 4 WD) in order to function.
Half of all new cars sold in Norway are electric cars.

(And half of those are Teslas. American brand and American made. When the Norwegian PM visited Trump last year, and he bragged that Norway had a trade deficit with the US, the Teslas are a major reason for that deficit. We love them. The USA could be world leaders in this area, but it seems they're not interested. Finally an American made car is in high demand, but poo, it's not the right kind of car.)

I'm not so sure North Dakotan winters are that different from Norwegian winters. Electric cars are used all over the country here, from north to south.

There are a lot of myths about electric cars. Most of them are bunk.
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They already feel he was chosen by god to lead them, why is this suddenly a bridge to far?
In the press gaggle today, he himself said he was "the Chosen One", while lookup up and lifting his arms to the sky.

I wish I was making that up.
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Originally Posted by Ryokan View Post
Half of all new cars sold in Norway are electric cars.

(And half of those are Teslas. American brand and American made. When the Norwegian PM visited Trump last year, and he bragged that Norway had a trade deficit with the US, the Teslas are a major reason for that deficit. We love them. The USA could be world leaders in this area, but it seems they're not interested. Finally an American made car is in high demand, but poo, it's not the right kind of car.)

I'm not so sure North Dakotan winters are that different from Norwegian winters. Electric cars are used all over the country here, from north to south.

There are a lot of myths about electric cars. Most of them are bunk.
You probably pay for road maintenance though.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
In the press gaggle today, he himself said he was "the Chosen One", while lookup up and lifting his arms to the sky.

I wish I was making that up.
I wish he were the chosen one! in Shirley Jackson's lottery.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
You probably pay for road maintenance though.
Yes? It's called taxes...

But what difference does that make between electric and fossil fuel cars?
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
I'd say it's much more likely he feels angry about being laughed at and having had the Danish PM reject his daft idea outright and his cancelling/postponing the meeting was done out of spite, because that's the way he reacts to pretty much everything.
I think you are right. He lost face on the Greenland issue. His own fault because he let it get public instead of making discrete inquiries like any competent statesman would do, so not he acts offended.

So sad. So predictable.

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My proposal to the politically correct Automobile Companies would lower the average price of a car to consumers by more than $3000, while at the same time making the cars substantially safer. Engines would run smoother. Very little impact on the environment! Foolish executives!
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In North Dakota you wouldn't be able to run too many of the electric\high MPG cars because they just aren't made to function in our winters.

You just don't see electric cars up here with any regularity because it would be the equivalent of having a motorcycle. You can drive it during the summer, but you need something reliable (preferably all or 4 WD) in order to function.
Norway manges

My Skoda Octavia seats 5, runs on petrol, has 150hp so is sufficiently powerful and I'm averaging over 50 mpg.
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