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Old 11th September 2019, 05:42 AM   #361
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
OK, one more prediction.

Say we have the standard double slit with only one screen and a detector to tell which slit the electron passed through.

The back panel has been prepared with an array of atoms with empty slots on the valence shell so that we can capture the electron after its journey and keep track of it.

Under this theory, the electron has been switched to physical and therefore will not be a wave form as the other electrons in the atom are, but instead will orbit the nucleus like a little moon orbiting a planet or else continue to trace some path around the nucleus continuing to have a definite position and momentum.

Am I also correct that this is a prediction of the theory?

Umm, I think orbitals are a different case. I know I said the state would remain but becoming an orbital would probably make it become like other orbitals.
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Old 11th September 2019, 05:55 AM   #362
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
The detectors will act as the final panel in this case. Light reflecting or going through glass does not change the state while in flight.
You need to define what a change of state is.

Is an electron colliding with a photon a change of state for the electron?

Is a photon colliding with a lot of atoms a change of state for the photon?
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Old 11th September 2019, 06:45 AM   #363
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State is decoherence.

The photon and the electron would be observed and the state would be physical.

You are asking about observation.
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Old 11th September 2019, 06:49 AM   #364
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
yep, everything on the internet is infallible.
Trying to make a liar out of yourself?
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Is anyone paying attention? I just explained what the root of TIME is!

Nothing is faster than the speed of light because spacetime's framerate is based off the speed of light.
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
Is anyone paying attention? I just explained what the root of TIME is!

Nothing is faster than the speed of light because spacetime's framerate is based off the speed of light.
So far, everything that you have "explained" in this thread came about through the efforts of another poster.

And I'm pretty sure that the only thing you've killed is brain cells.
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I bet a Klein bottle would make a really interesting bong.
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Old 11th September 2019, 07:18 AM   #368
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
State is decoherence.
Decoherence is, for example, when there is a detector to tell which slit the particle passes through and there is no longer interference between the amplitudes for each path.

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The photon and the electron would be observed and the state would be physical.
So in the case of the photon colliding with a lot of atoms the state would be physical?
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Decoherence is about wave collapse

yes, physical
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Decoherence is about wave collapse
No, decoherence and wave collapse are different.

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So in my third diagram under your theory the photon must be switched to physical.
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No, decoherence and wave collapse are different.


So in my third diagram under your theory the photon must be switched to physical.
I think a certain someone should be paying you for the tutoring.
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I think the whole idea of an actual collapse to a classical state is problematic in general.

As I pointed out earlier, if the electron subsequently joins an atom then this would seem to entail some sort of "uncollapse".
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I think a certain someone should be paying you for the tutoring.
I have to admit I am doing a certain amount of "phoning a friend" behind the scenes. I hope I am doing justice to her advice.
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I have to admit I am doing a certain amount of "phoning a friend" behind the scenes. I hope I am doing justice to her advice.
You're doing fine so far.
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It takes light one femtosecond to travel the width of abbe's diffraction limit. I think I just figured out why the natural divide between the two realms is this size.
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It takes light one femtosecond to travel the width of abbe's diffraction limit. I think I just figured out why the natural divide between the two realms is this size.
Do you mean the diffraction limit for light, ie visible light?

Or the diffraction limit for electromagnetic radiation in general?

Where do you think that diffraction limit comes from in the first place?
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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_270272277
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Do you mean the diffraction limit for light, ie visible light?

Or the diffraction limit for electromagnetic radiation in general?

Where do you think that diffraction limit comes from in the first place?
The hint is that there would be no diffraction limit for ideal classical waves.
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Yep, I already know what a diffraction limit is. Didn't even need to phone a friend for that one.
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Ask your friend if she would care to know what time is and what frame rate spacetime runs at.
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If a femtosecond is the smallest usable amount of time for observation. Spacetime runs at 1,000,000,000,000,000 frames per second.
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What a nice round number a god might use to program a simulation called spacetime.
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What a nice round number a god might use to program a simulation called spacetime.
Now we're getting to the heart of it - does this "theory" of yours that allegedly kills duality also prove the existence of "god?"
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Originally Posted by pittsburghjoe View Post
If a femtosecond is the smallest usable amount of time for observation.
It's not.

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Spacetime is actually observed to run a lot faster than that, and is theorized to run even faster.
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Now we're getting to the heart of it - does this "theory" of yours that allegedly kills duality also prove the existence of "god?"
Oh you want to fight about that part, okay, well, yes, The Unobserved Quantum Realm runs just fine without spacetime and did so before the big bang. There is no reason for spacetime to be here. Something wanted life to be a thing and the only way you get life is an Observable Realm.
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If a femtosecond is the smallest usable amount of time for observation. Spacetime runs at 1,000,000,000,000,000 frames per second.
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What a nice round number a god might use to program a simulation called spacetime.
You don't think that it's a coincidence that if you divide one second into one quadrillion intervals, it takes a nice round one quadrillion of those intervals to make up one second?
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A femtosecond is the divide between realms ..so ..yeah
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Oh you want to fight about that part, okay, well, yes, The Unobserved Quantum Realm runs just fine without spacetime and did so before the big bang. There is no reason for spacetime to be here. Something wanted life to be a thing and the only way you get life is an Observable Realm.
Whose fighting?

One needs two or more informed parties for a discussion.

This thread has exposed more of your limitations than abilities.

The only progress achieved is when someone figuratively holds your hand.

Now we get to the "it has to be a proof of god" ********.

You could admit that you're a believer that cobbled up some gobbledygook to impress the rubes, or cling to your baseless assertion of success.

I'm betting on the later.
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What a doubting thomas with 0 rebuttal on ANYTHING
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A femtosecond is the divide between realms ..so ..yeah
A divide you pulled out of your ass a few minutes ago, between realms you pulled out of your ass a few minutes ago, derived from your totally wrong proposition that "the femtosecond is the smallest usable amount of time for observation".

For example, we use the much smaller attosecond as our reference interval for laser pulse timing. In terms of practical, real-world, applied engineering, we're observing things at least down to an interval of 0.012 femtoseconds.

In reality, there is no one "divide" between the quantum and macro realms. Different quantum effects predominate at different scales. For example, quantum gravity effects are theorized to be predominant at time scales below one planck second, or 5.39056E-29 fs. That's waaay less than one femtosecond.
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A divide you pulled out of your ass a few minutes ago, between realms you pulled out of your ass a few minutes ago, derived from your totally wrong proposition that "the femtosecond is the smallest usable amount of time for observation".

For example, we use the much smaller attosecond as our reference interval for laser pulse timing. In terms of practical, real-world, applied engineering, we're observing things at least down to an interval of 0.012 femtoseconds.

In reality, there is no one "divide" between the quantum and macro realms. Different quantum effects predominate at different scales. For example, quantum gravity effects are theorized to be predominant at time scales below one planck second, or 5.39056E-29 fs. That's waaay less than one femtosecond.
Plank second...is that the amount of time between the start of listening to a physics crank and the point when the overwhelming urge to whack them upside the head with a 2" x 6" arises?
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What a doubting thomas with 0 rebuttal on ANYTHING
So far, you haven't posted anything detailed enough with the science backing it up to make your theory worth rebutting.

You are pretty much at the gratuitous assertion stage.

Given that, I'm comfortable rejecting whatever bare assertion you make out-of-hand.

I do wonder why you abandoned your DMT thread. How does your imaginary guy-in-the-sky feel about hallucinogen drugs?
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Plank second...is that the amount of time between the start of listening to a physics crank and the point when the overwhelming urge to whack them upside the head with a 2" x 6" arises?
Yeah, but it takes a whole femtosecond for the urge to register.
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For example, we use the much smaller attosecond as our reference interval for laser pulse timing. In terms of practical, real-world, applied engineering, we're observing things at least down to an interval of 0.012 femtoseconds.
A femtosecond is the natural divide.

I didn't say you couldn't go faster than a femtosecond. It's the length associated to it via light that I care about.
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A femtosecond is the natural divide.
It isn't, though. It's a completely arbitrary divide. You should look into the work of Max Planck, who actually dived deep into the mathematics of the problem, and found what appear to be natural divides in space and time at much smaller scales than you're proposing.

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I didn't say you couldn't go faster than a femtosecond.
You said, "a femtosecond is the smallest usable amount of time for observation". This is wrong. We can usably observe things at least down to the attoseconds.

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It's the length associated to it via light that I care about.
Why the length associated to the femtosecond? Why not the attosecond, where spacetime runs at 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 fps? That's another nice round number to think about.

Why not the length associated via light to the even-shorter Planck second?
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No math yet? How unsurprising. If you add up the smarts of all the guys claiming to have found holes in Relativity and/or Quantum Mechanics for the past ONE HUNDRED YEARS, we still wouldn't have the smarts of one Einstein.
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No math yet? How unsurprising. If you add up the smarts of all the guys claiming to have found holes in Relativity and/or Quantum Mechanics for the past ONE HUNDRED YEARS, we still wouldn't have the smarts of one Einstein.
Hey, that's not fair. pittsburghjoe totally did the math on how many quadrillionths of a second it takes to make up a whole second.
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Planck isn't the size that determines if something is automatically anchored to spacetime.
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Hey, that's not fair. pittsburghjoe totally did the math on how many quadrillionths of a second it takes to make up a whole second.
When you're digging a hole to nowhere those femtoseconds add up quick.
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Planck isn't the size that determines if something is automatically anchored to spacetime.
Neither is the femtosecond.
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