The Electric Comet Theory /SAFIRE Part V

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he has been citing papers on the mainstream model of ices and dust comets for many years. Many of these paper begin with an introduction stating comets are made of ices and dust and formed in the early Solar System! The papers he has cited on comet coma and tails state that coma and tail gases come from sublimating ices. He has cited a paper with 67P has a dust to ice mass ratio of between 3 and 7, i.e. between 14% and 33% ices. He has cited papers in the measured priority of 67P (about 70% and thus matching ices and dust comets). He has cited papers with jets from the dark side of comets as predicted by the mainstream model of comets. etc. etc.

ETA: Sol88's "Dirtysnowball" insanity pops up in a later post.
Minor insanity : Sol88 has never been able to correlctly spell the descriptive name of Whipple's 1950's model - the "dirty snowball" model.
Major insanity : Sol88 has the insane delusion that science does not progress. This is no surprise since his demented cult's dogma has been set in stone for maybe 45 years !
The current mainstream ices and dust comet model is Whipple's model expanded and modified to include 70 years of empirical data and progress in physics. A relatively minor modification is there is evidence that at least 2 comets have more dust then ices so Whipple's model may be better described as an "icy dirtball" model.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's utterly insane lies repeated for years and here:

1. Sol88 and his demented cult have no scientific model of comets.
   Sol88 and his demented cult have a set of insane fantasies that are debunked by real comets. That demented cult has been lying about "confirmed predictions" about Deep Impact for over 14 years !
   Sol88 cannot even support his comet insanity with empirical evidence or an actual model with any predictions. All that Sol88 has been doing for many years is spewing out insane lies about his demented cult, insane lies about mainstream science, insane ignorance, insane insults of astronomers, and demented lies about posts and posters. No surprise since he has his demented cult prophets as an example.
2. [b]The mainstream model of ices and dust comets is alive and well.[/B]
   Emphasized since this is a major insane lie from Sol88 repeated dozens or even hundreds of times over many years. Added as a permanent record of Sol88's insanity in this thread.
3. We know the insanity of Sol88 and his demented cult on comets and have for the past 10 years ! That includes any one who reads this thread and especially my posts - see above and my signature.
4. Sol88 insanely lies about his demented cult which explicitly states comets are actual rocks blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges.
5. The Nice model is how the Solar System evolved after the Solar System formed.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Nope. No rock. As confirmed by MUPUS on Philae. Nothing like rock. Fail. Stop repeating the same lies. And there is plenty of ice. As witnessed. So that is just another lie. Among many. You have failed. 14 years ago. Get over it.

Ahhh.....MUPUS my old friend.


Hit something hard...can only be ice.


Not rock, consolidated dust.

[Sol88]

Quote:

The mainstream model of ices and dust comets is alive and well.
Emphasized since this is a major insane lie from Sol88 repeated dozens or even hundreds of times over many years. Added as a permanent record of Sol88's insanity in this thread.

The Dirtysnowball? Have you not been keeping up, sport?

[JeanTate]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Ahhh.....MUPUS my old friend.


Hit something hard...can only be ice.


Not rock, consolidated dust.

Certainly not solid sandstone and gneiss, blasted off what then became the Grand Canyon by a giant lightning bolt from Venus (?) some 4,000 years or so ago.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !

Sol88's usual insanity.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !

Sol88's usual insanity.
The papers on MUPUS state that its hammer hit a layer of hard material that is consistent with sintered ices.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Ahhh.....MUPUS my old friend.


Hit something hard...can only be ice.


Not rock, consolidated dust.

How many times are you going to lie about this? How many times am I, or others, going to have to link to the papers? That show that it was nothing like any rock known to man? Hmmm? Do I need to do it again?

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by JeanTate

Certainly not solid sandstone and gneiss, blasted off what then became the Grand Canyon by a giant lightning bolt from Venus (?) some 4,000 years or so ago.

You think it was sintered “ice”.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

How many times are you going to lie about this? How many times am I, or others, going to have to link to the papers? That show that it was nothing like any rock known to man? Hmmm? Do I need to do it again?

If you won’t too. Shows the 80% porosity maybe called into question.

Hit the very rock the CIVA imaged.

But if You’d like to continue to believe comets are Dirtysnowballs, then....

[JeanTate]

Originally Posted by Sol88

You think it was sintered “ice”.

Dunno.

Have you ever seen crunchy, <-20C ice, covered in “soot” from a nearby metal refinery, say? Such as you’d encounter in many places in Siberia in winter back when there was the USSR? Cut your finger on it?

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !

Sol88's usual insanity of lying about posts and posters
JeanTate wrote Certainly not solid sandstone and gneiss, blasted off what then became the Grand Canyon by a giant lightning bolt from Venus (?) some 4,000 years or so ago.
Sol88's demented cult actually believes that the Grand Canyon was blasted out by a giant lightning bolt (see here) .

Sol88's insane lie of "ice" when Sol88 has cited papers finding ices on comets including 67P. Doubly insane because Sol88 cited the paper that stated the MUPUS results were consistent with sintered ices (no quotes).

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !

Sol88's usual insanity.
Sol88's insanity of not understanding the difference between the surface of a comet nucleus and its interior yet again
The porosity of the inside of 67P was measured by CONSORT to be 75–85%. CONSERT probes the nucleus of comet 67P/C-G
MUPUS probed the first few centimeters of the surface of 56P. MUPUS gave an limit to the tensile strength of the surface layers - not a porosity measurement.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

If you won’t too. Shows the 80% porosity maybe called into question.

Hit the very rock the CIVA imaged.

But if You’d like to continue to believe comets are Dirtysnowballs, then....

So, still lying about dirtysnowballs, as well. Do your lies never end? Is that all you are left with after your woo disappeared down the drain 14 years ago? Sad.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1448

[Sol88]

Dude, comets. for the mainstream are...

Dirtysnowballs?
Icydirtballs?

What are they, pony up champ.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !

Sol88's usual insanity.
Sol88's insanity of not understanding the difference between the surface of a comet nucleus and its interior yet again
The porosity of the inside of 67P was measured by CONSORT to be 75–85%. CONSERT probes the nucleus of comet 67P/C-G
MUPUS probed the first few centimeters of the surface of 56P. MUPUS gave an limit to the tensile strength of the surface layers - not a porosity measurement.

MUPUS did not make any progress at all!

Solid rock! as seen.

So the RSI is the porosity measurement instrument

Quote:

The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice.

so says the RSI experiment.

MUPUS happened to just by chance hit the only region of consolidated terrain!

[JeanTate]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Dude, comets. for the mainstream are...

Dirtysnowballs?
Icydirtballs?

What are they, pony up champ.

Dude, comets are solid rock, sandstones and gneisses, gouged out and blasted into space by a giant lightning bolt from Venus (when it was less than 10k kms from the Grand Canyon, ~4,000 years ago).

Time for you to pony up, eh champ?

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !

Sol88's usual insanity.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !
Sol88's totally insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock ! That is an explicit statement that comets are made of dust, not rock. The "very little ice" is dust to ice mass ratios of 3 to 7 - at least 14% ices.

Sol88's usual insanity.
MUPUS did make progress - it hammered into the surface until the hammer got to the layer consistent with sintered ice.

Sol88's insane lie that RSI measured porosity (it was CONSERT as I wrote and supported with a source)

Sol88's insane lie that his quote is from a RSI paper.

Sol88's insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock. Repeated enough to be recorded permanently above.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by JeanTate

Dude, comets are solid rock, sandstones and gneisses, gouged out and blasted into space by a giant lightning bolt from Venus (when it was less than 10k kms from the Grand Canyon, ~4,000 years ago).

Time for you to pony up, eh champ?

You forgot the clay's and carbonates, conveniently.

but to the point

To which mainstream model am i comparing the ELECTRIC COMET model too.

the dirtysnowball or the icydirtball?

Quote:

The total mass loss M puts hard constraints on the models of interpretation of the observations from other instruments on Rosetta.

Which model?

[Sol88]

Quote:

MUPUS did make progress - it hammered into the surface until the hammer got to the layer consistent with sintered ice.

Did it?

No it hit ROCK!

Where is this magical sintered ice in a comet? the ice that made MUPUS not make ANY progress - "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice."

but the magic ice stopped the hammer, the hammer that was designed to hammer into ice???

[Reality Check]

For others:
Philae settles in dust-covered ice (18 November 2014)

Quote:

The probe then started to hammer itself into the subsurface, but was unable to make more than a few millimetres of progress even at the highest power level of the hammer motor.

“If we compare the data with laboratory measurements, we think that the probe encountered a hard surface with strength comparable to that of solid ice,” says Tilman Spohn, principal investigator for MUPUS.

Thermal and mechanical properties of the near-surface layers of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko (31 Jul 2015)

Quote:

A sintered near-surface microporous dust-ice layer with a porosity of 30 to 65% is consistent with the data.

Electrical properties and porosity of the first meter of the nucleus of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko As constrained by the Permittivity Probe SESAME-PP/Philae/Rosetta (PDF)

Quote:

Results. Reasonably assuming that the two receiving electrode channels have not drifted with respect to each other during the ten-year
journey of the Rosetta probe to the comet, we constrain the dielectric constant of the first meter below the surface at Abydos to be
>2:45 0:20, which is consistent with a porosity <50% if the dust phase is analogous to carbonaceous chondrites and <75% in the
case of less primitive ordinary chondrites. This indicates that the near surface of the nucleus of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko is more
compacted than its interior and suggests that it could consist of a sintered dust-ice layer.

The Thermal, Mechanical, Structural, and Dielectric Properties of Cometary Nuclei After Rosetta (June 2019)

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !
Sol88's totally insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock !

Sol88's usual insanity.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !
Sol88's totally insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock !

Sol88's utterly insane lie for over 4 years that MUPUS hammered into actual rock. The science starting form 31 Jul 2015 says he is lying: A sintered near-surface microporous dust-ice layer with a porosity of 30 to 65% is consistent with the data. No rock has ever been found on or in comets as in the quote he has repeated many times!

Sol88's persistent insanity of not understanding the difference between the surface of a comet nucleus and its interior.
The porosity of the inside of 67P was measured by CONSORT to be 75–85%. CONSERT probes the nucleus of comet 67P/C-G
MUPUS probed the first few centimeters] of the surface (through dust and a few millimeters of ice)of 56P. MUPUS gave an limit to the tensile strength of the surface layers - not a porosity measurement.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88 usual insane lies about basic physics.
We expect the ices on cometary surfaces to be sintered because they undergo a cycle of heating and cooling that creates sintering ! An objective of MUPUS was to measure the degree of sintering.

[JeanTate]

Originally Posted by Sol88

You forgot the clay's and carbonates, conveniently.

but to the point

To which mainstream model am i comparing the ELECTRIC COMET model too.

the dirtysnowball or the icydirtball?

Which model?

Facepalm!

Your task - which you’ve been dodging since forever - is to show that the Electric Comet idea is consistent quantitatively with all relevant observations. Time to put up or shut up, wouldn’t you say?

Oh, and there can’t be any carbonates or clays, because these require, and contain, a lot of water. And High Priest Talbott has declared that comets are dry as dry can be.

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by JeanTate

Oh, and there can’t be any carbonates or clays, because these require, and contain, a lot of water. And High Priest Talbott has declared that comets are dry as dry can be.

Slight correction: "Oh, and there can’t be any carbonates or clays, because these require, and contain, a lot of water" in the electric comet insanity.

Back in 2005, we detected carbonates and clays (and ices!) from Deep Impact on Tempel 1. The dust grains collected by Stardust from Wild 2 did not have carbonates or clays. The logical conclusion is that the comets have different histories. Tempel 1 may have formed in an area of the early outer Solar System enriched with dust from the inner system (higher temperatures so liquid water). Tempel 1 may have roamed closer to the Sun and heated up to form liquid water. Tempel 1 may have had a large impact that heated it to make liquid water. Wild 2 did the none of these.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by JeanTate

Facepalm!

Your task - which you’ve been dodging since forever - is to show that the Electric Comet idea is consistent quantitatively with all relevant observations. Time to put up or shut up, wouldn’t you say?

Oh, and there can’t be any carbonates or clays, because these require, and contain, a lot of water. And High Priest Talbott has declared that comets are dry as dry can be.

Not a problem if they were once part of a planet!

Quote:

Such meteorites are altered by ejection from their parent body and contaminated by atmospheric entry and terrestrial microbes.

Oh, mainstream are allowed to invoke "ejection" from a parent body but the ELECTRIC COMET is not allowed.....

Comets are as dry as a dead dingos donger!

you are aware asteroids contain more water than comet!

Comets and asteroids are a continuum. Bennu

Quote:

Bennu is now one of about a dozen active asteroids that share at least some characteristics with comets. The OSIRIS-REx team doesn't know what's causing Bennu particles to suddenly jump off of the surface. The first step in understanding the process is to trace the flying particles’ paths back to their sources.

Jean tate, big problems with your dirtysnowball, ictdirtball, whishy washy model of comets. How does Bennu fit your story, you know consistent quantitatively with all relevant observations?

Mainstream have not an idea!

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by Reality Check

Slight correction: "Oh, and there can’t be any carbonates or clays, because these require, and contain, a lot of water" in the electric comet insanity.

Back in 2005, we detected carbonates and clays (and ices!) from Deep Impact on Tempel 1. The dust grains collected by Stardust from Wild 2 did not have carbonates or clays. The logical conclusion is that the comets have different histories. Tempel 1 may have formed in an area of the early outer Solar System enriched with dust from the inner system (higher temperatures so liquid water). Tempel 1 may have roamed closer to the Sun and heated up to form liquid water. Tempel 1 may have had a large impact that heated it to make liquid water. Wild 2 did the none of these.

Or they were "ejected" from their parent bodies, these would be expected to be of different composition.

I mean if mainstream can invoke the following

Quote:

Such meteorites are altered by ejection from their parent body and contaminated by atmospheric entry and terrestrial microbes.

Whats the ejection process I wonder?

Impact is my guess, this is the standard excuse!

bit like tangled magnetic fields powering magnetic reconection....

No need for fairetale creation stories! maybe it was the left overs from Gods last snowball fight, prove me wrong!

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !
Sol88's totally insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock !
Sol88's utterly insane lie for over 4 years that MUPUS hammered into actual rock.
Sol88's persistent insanity of not understanding the difference between the surface of a comet nucleus and its interior.

Sol88's usual insanity. Sol88 emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's persistent insanity of not knowing that rocky planets are more than carbonates and clays !

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !
Sol88's totally insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock !
Sol88's utterly insane lie for over 4 years that MUPUS hammered into actual rock.
Sol88's persistent insanity of not understanding the difference between the surface of a comet nucleus and its interior.

Sol88's usual insanity. Sol88 emphasizes Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's persistent insanity of not knowing that rocky planets are more than carbonates and clays ! Obviously Sol88 does not live on Earth! Sol88's has the utterly insane delusion that rocks blasted from Earth will match what we measure for cometary dust.
List of rock types
No granite found on comets.
No basalt found on comets.
No limestone found on comets.
No sandstone found on comets.
No chalk found on comets.
No carbonates found on at least 1 comet.
No clays found on at least 1 comet.

Dust grains that only form in space found on comets .

[Reality Check]

Originally Posted by Sol88

How does Bennu fit your story...

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !
Sol88's totally insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock !
Sol88's utterly insane lie for over 4 years that MUPUS hammered into actual rock.
Sol88's persistent insanity of not understanding the difference between the surface of a comet nucleus and its interior.

Sol88's usual insanity.

Bennu is an asteroid currently being visited by OSIRIS-REx. Next year a pristine surface sample will be collected and returned to Earth so that we can have an uncontaminated sample of material from the early solar system. No rational person expects Sol88's insanity of granite or basalt or limestone or sandstone or chalk etc. because we already have the many samples of asteroids called meteorites!
We did not detect the dust plumes from Earth that OSIRIS-REx saw so that was unexpected - NASA’s OSIRIS-REx spacecraft has watched Bennu spit out plumes of dust 11 times since the spacecraft arrived at the asteroid in December 2018.

[Sol88]

So,

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The current mainstream ices and dust comet model is Whipple's model expanded and modified to include 70 years of empirical data and progress in physics. A relatively minor modification is there is evidence that at least 2 comets have more dust then ices so Whipple's model may be better described as an "icy dirtball" model.

There we have it folks, cheers RC.

Rocky Comets are icy dirtballs!!!

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At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly
rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative
model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving
more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high
as 6 have been cited [3,4].

Comets: looking ahead
Michael F. A’Hearn

Not too sure what A'Hearn was on about!

So icydirtyballs maybe misleading as well.

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This low bulk density suggests that the nucleus is highly porous. The porosity is constrained by the observed bulk density, the density of ices, mostly water ice, and the density of compacted nucleus dust material. For a range of compacted dust material density from 2000 to 3500 kg/m3, the porosity varies between 65% - 79% when the dust-to-ice mass ratio Fnucleus for the nucleus body lies in the range 3 ≤ Fnucleus ≤ 7. The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice. The total mass loss M puts hard constraints on the models of interpretation of the observations from other instruments on Rosetta.

Martin Pätzold


Except active asteroids otherwise they'd be comets!

[Sol88]

Ahhh, there's your problem

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Comets are the icy remnants left over from the formation of the planets 4.6 billion years ago.

Nice fairetale

How about you get the formation of the solar system story wright first (with out invoking planetary migrations)

Good luck.

[Sol88]

No granite found on comets.
No basalt found on comets.
No limestone found on comets.
No sandstone found on comets.
No chalk found on comets.
No carbonates found on at least 1 comet.
No clays found on at least 1 comet.


Have a coffee champ!

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Not a problem if they were once part of a planet! Oh, mainstream are allowed to invoke "ejection" from a parent body but the ELECTRIC COMET is not allowed.....

Comets are as dry as a dead dingos donger!

you are aware asteroids contain more water than comet!

Comets and asteroids are a continuum. Bennu


Jean tate, big problems with your dirtysnowball, ictdirtball, whishy washy model of comets. How does Bennu fit your story, you know consistent quantitatively with all relevant observations?

Mainstream have not an idea!

No, you have no idea. Science is a foreign country to you. All of your woo has been shown to be scientifically impossible rubbish. You have no coherent model. Zilch. You are just another clueless internet crank, who has been duped by other cranks. None of whom know Jack about science. Quite sad and pathetic, really.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

No granite found on comets.
No basalt found on comets.
No limestone found on comets.
No sandstone found on comets.
No chalk found on comets.
No carbonates found on at least 1 comet.
No clays found on at least 1 comet.


Have a coffee champ!

And what is that drivel supposed to mean? If you are going to talk rubbish, at least make it understandable rubbish.

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

Ahhh, there's your problem

Nice fairetale

How about you get the formation of the solar system story wright first (with out invoking planetary migrations)

Good luck.

Well, you sure as hell have no idea about planetary science, do you? And we can see snapshots of solar systems forming around other stars. In just the way that it is expected.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

And what is that drivel supposed to mean? If you are going to talk rubbish, at least make it understandable rubbish.

No limestone found on comets.
Limestone = calcium carbonate


No carbonates found on at least 1 comet.


Reality Checks original post

It is yes to carbonates and no to limestone?

[jonesdave116]

Originally Posted by Sol88

No limestone found on comets.
Limestone = calcium carbonate


No carbonates found on at least 1 comet.


Reality Checks original post

And where was it formed? What is the D/H ratio of water on various comets? Is it Earth-like? Mars-like? Is it similar to the solar wind ratio?
Like I said - you are just repeating the same old drivel that has been shown to be wrong, and has no scientific validity.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

Well, you sure as hell have no idea about planetary science, do you? And we can see snapshots of solar systems forming around other stars. In just the way that it is expected.

Really??

off topic but how do super Jupiter orbit so close to their parent star?

More ad hocness!

Mainstream are just guessing... this is now how science is done.

Best guess using some very complicated mathamagincs to make it "work"!

Best you leave the big questions till you worked out what comets are.

[Sol88]

Originally Posted by jonesdave116

And where was it formed? What is the D/H ratio of water on various comets? Is it Earth-like? Mars-like? Is it similar to the solar wind ratio?
Like I said - you are just repeating the same old drivel that has been shown to be wrong, and has no scientific validity.

where was it formed, Who cares,

What is the D/H ratio of water on various comets? With all that electrochemistry going on, you'd expect some funky stuff! Still funny how mainstream try and relate comets formation to solar system formation. The solar system formation is a nice campfire story!


In the Electric Universe... you know the story



Proven electric currents and electric fields, make me one happy ELECTRIC COMET SUPPORTER.
You're more than welcome to entertain ideas from the era before we had been out into the plasma universe!