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Old 22nd October 2019, 07:54 PM   #321
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Wow 1931!!!

The Electric Field, Atmosphere and Effective Temperature of the Sun


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The magnitude of the electric field at a level where the magnetic field is 25 gauss, calculated from the observed spread of temperatures, is found to be 0.015 volts.cm and agrees well with 0.013 volts/cm
Whats the Earths electric fields strength again? oh, 1.20 V/cm
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Old 22nd October 2019, 07:57 PM   #322
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Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity of persistent and insane lies and insults to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field !

Sol88's insane lie and insult is that we treat the Sun as a "pith ball" when that is his demented cult's treatment.

We treat the Sun as centuries of research have shown the Sun to be. The Sun is a ball of plasma with textbook plasma properties. That plasma must be heated by an internal heat source other wise the Sun collapses to a white dwarf. The overwhelming evidence is that the internal heat source is fusion. The Sun has a complex magnetic field and thus a complex electrical field.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 08:01 PM   #323
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An insane lie that Q was why comets in the 1950's were thought to be more ices than dust. It was that the early solar system obviously had more ices than dust and comets retained that ratio.
Comet the left over from the formation of the solar system...

You know the story well young paddy wan, you have now earned your place in the cabal.

Now, grasshopper, your job is to defend till the death the 1734 theory of planet formation!! including saving the model by invoking planets pinballing round the solar system.

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Sol88's insane lie and insult is that we treat the Sun as a "pith ball" when that is his demented cult's treatment.
Lukraak Sisser's pith ball, you mean.



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Plasma maybe to complicated for you, reality check? You still seem to struggle with charge separation.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 08:11 PM   #324
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Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field !

One of the many lies of his demented cult is that astronomers do not research electric fields in space and Sol88 makes his cult liars by citing that research!
The Electric Field, Atmosphere and Effective Temperature of the Sun (1931)
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The study of important electromagnetic effects in the solar atmosphere undertaken in previous papers is continued. It is shown that the large observed spread of effective temperatures of the sun's radiation can be accounted for by the presence of electric and magnetic fields in the solar atmosphere. The magnitude of the electric field at a level where the magnetic field is 25 gauss, calculated from the observed spread of temperatures, is found to be 0.015 volts.cm and agrees well with 0.013 volts/cm calculated earlier from the observed anomalous motions of the solar atmosphere.
Of course Sol88 lies about what he cites and is abysmally ignorant of basic physics. That is "0.015 volts.cm" in the solar atmosphere. The electric field strength will fall rapidly outward from the Sun. Probably not an inverse square law as the Sun is not a point source but close to it.

Sol88 has an insane comparison to Earth's global atmospheric electrical circuit
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The voltages involved in the Earth's circuit are significant. At sea level, the typical potential gradient in fair weather is 120 V/m
No one should compare these but the solar atmosphere electric field is numerically a hundred times smaller than Earth's atmospheric electric field. To support his demented cult Sol88 needs the reverse. probably many orders of magnitude bigger, and measured a few AU out where comets are !
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Old 22nd October 2019, 08:12 PM   #325
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Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field !

Sol88's persistent and repeated lies about posts and posters. Lukraak Sisser was writing about Sol88's demented cult's electric field from a "pith ball".
16 October 2019: Sol88's usual lies about posters and their posts. Lukraak_Sisser's recent posts on the solar wind in general revealing Sol88 and his cult's denial of high school level electromagnetism.

It looks as Sol88 is also abysmally ignorant about how a forum behaves and that posts can be found ! I did not even have to search the thread to find Sol88's blatant repeated lie about Lukraak Sisser's posts on the solar wind and Sol88's cult's electric field.

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Old 22nd October 2019, 08:28 PM   #326
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For others: On the "Electric Sun" Hypothesis by Tim Thompson

For example: Scott states that there is a "net positive current leaving the Sun" but the actual data says the solar wind is neutral with electrons and protons moving at the same speed.
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I already made a link to the ACE Real Time Solar Wind Page, and that page shows plots & data for the main ingredients of the solar wind: electrons, protons, and magnetic field. The solar wind is a flow of protons and electrons, away from the sun, in all directions, both at the same speed. Now, if the first "major property" of the electric sun model were true, we would expect the positively charged sun to repel positively charged protons, and attract negatively charged electrons. That's what the third "major property" says is happening, but we see that reality is somewhat different. The observation of electrons & protons both being "repelled" by the sun immediately negates any consideration of the sun having a net electric charge that can be detected anywhere in the solar wind flow. If the sun had a net charge that was large enough, then it should repel one charge and attract the other, depending on the sign of the sun's excess charge. But we don't see that.

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Old 22nd October 2019, 10:51 PM   #327
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Wait, you claim *other* people struggle with facts?

So, once again.

Fact 1. The solar wind as measured everywhere in the solar system we have machines contains both positive and negatively charged particles (also neutral particles, but those are not relevant to EU).
Fact 2. We see that these particles move in a straight line away from the sun, with the same acceleration, only deviating from that path when they encounter very local electromagnetic phenomena (some of which are triggered by the solar wind)
Fact 3. The EU proposes that the entire universe and solar environment would contain massive electromagnetic fields, of many orders of magnitude higher than the local fields around planets.
Fact 4. In an electromagnetic field positive and negative charges behave in an opposite manner.
Fact 5. The solar wind does not show this behaviour.

Therefore the EU 'prediction' is wrong and everything built upon it is pointless fantasy.

One Sol88 is heavily invested into, which is sad in a way I guess.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 12:15 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
Wait, you claim *other* people struggle with facts?

So, once again.

Fact 1. The solar wind as measured everywhere in the solar system we have machines contains both positive and negatively charged particles (also neutral particles, but those are not relevant to EU).
Fact 2. We see that these particles move in a straight line away from the sun, with the same acceleration, only deviating from that path when they encounter very local electromagnetic phenomena (some of which are triggered by the solar wind)
Fact 3. The EU proposes that the entire universe and solar environment would contain massive electromagnetic fields, of many orders of magnitude higher than the local fields around planets.
Fact 4. In an electromagnetic field positive and negative charges behave in an opposite manner.
Fact 5. The solar wind does not show this behaviour.

Therefore the EU 'prediction' is wrong and everything built upon it is pointless fantasy.

One Sol88 is heavily invested into, which is sad in a way I guess.
You make it to easy champ.... how do the above points fit into how electric current flow through the solar system. Start with just the observed currents.

You can then move onto
  1. Birkeland_current
  2. Flux Tubes
  3. Field-aligned currents
  4. force-free currents

If you'd really like to hurt your brain, have a crack at C/2006 P1 (McNaught)
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The Ulysses spacecraft made an unexpected pass through the tail of the comet on 3 February 2007.[13] Evidence of the encounter was published in the 1 October 2007 issue of The Astrophysical Journal.[14] Ulysses flew through McNaught's ion tail 260 million kilometres (160 million miles) from the comet's core and instrument readings showed that there was "complex chemistry" in the region.[13]

The Solar Wind Ion Composition Spectrometer (SWICS) aboard Ulysses measured the composition of Comet McNaught's tail and detected unexpected ions. It was the first time that O3+ oxygen ions were detected near a comet. This suggested that the solar wind ions, which did not originally have most of their electrons, gained some electrons while passing through the comet's atmosphere.[13]

SWICS also measured the speed of the solar wind, and found that even at 260 million kilometres (160 million miles) from the comet's nucleus, the tail had slowed the solar wind to half its normal speed. The solar wind should usually be about 700 kilometres (435 mi) per second at that distance from the Sun, but inside the comet's ion tail, it was less than 400 km (250 mi) per second.

This was very surprising to me. Way past the orbit of Mars, the solar wind felt the disturbance of this little comet. It will be a serious challenge for us theoreticians and computer modellers to figure out the physics
— Michael Combi, [13]

Prof. George Gloeckler, the principal investigator on the Solar Wind Ion Composition Spectrometer (SWICS), said the discovery was important as the composition of comets told them about conditions approximately 4.5 billion years ago when the Solar System was formed.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 02:27 AM   #329
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You make it to easy champ.... how do the above points fit into how electric current flow through the solar system. Start with just the observed currents.

You can then move onto
  1. Birkeland_current
  2. Flux Tubes
  3. Field-aligned currents
  4. force-free currents

If you'd really like to hurt your brain, have a crack at C/2006 P1 (McNaught)
They fit in in the way that there IS no electric current flowing trough the solar system. If there was we'd observe it. And we do not. All the rest of your fantasies are therefore humorous, but pointless speculation with the same level of realistic relevance as discussions about quidditch rules.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 04:22 AM   #330
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Comet the left over from the formation of the solar system...

You know the story well young paddy wan, you have now earned your place in the cabal.

Now, grasshopper, your job is to defend till the death the 1734 theory of planet formation!! including saving the model by invoking planets pinballing round the solar system.

Lukraak Sisser's pith ball, you mean.



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Plasma maybe to complicated for you, reality check? You still seem to struggle with charge separation.
The only person struggling here is you. You do not understand the relevant subjects. Neither do any of your Velikovskian high priests. That is why you are a non-event cult, with no influence nor input into real science.
EDM!!!! Lol.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 04:35 AM   #331
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So who cares if you can not understand basic plasma physics and you're still hung up on the Sun as a giant pith ball!
Linking to a heap of woo by Don Scott hardly counts as scientific backing for anything. The bloke is an ex-engineer! Plasma physics, or any sort of physics, is not his forte. Hence why he hangs out with a bunch of Velikovskian clowns.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 05:14 AM   #332
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
They fit in in the way that there IS no electric current flowing trough the solar system. If there was we'd observe it. And we do not. All the rest of your fantasies are therefore humorous, but pointless speculation with the same level of realistic relevance as discussions about quidditch rules.

Thought so... they do NOT fit into a Big Bang Universe.

No electric currents flowing through the solar system you say.

Well not much to discuss then, is there then?
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The inferred mostly icy comets is incorrect.

Comets are rocky objects able to MAKE WATER in situ....

Just like EVERYWHERE else in the universe.

So so simple. Comets ARE NOT leftovers from some imaginary construct.
Sorry, perhaps you misunderstood me. I'm asking you in what way does this water generation prove your general theory. And while you're at it, why and how does it make the "mostly icy comet" theory incorrect?
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Well not much to discuss then, is there then?
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Finally, the end is neigh
Stop horsing around!
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You know, this was the ONLY MODEL the mainstream have,
Is another lie. Don't you get sick of having to tell lies to divert from the complete failure of your unscientific woo?
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Thumbs down The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. addressed over the last 10 years

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field !

This is an insane lie that Lukraak_Sisser wrote about electric currents, Birkeland current, etc. when Lukraak_Sisser stated what the solar wind is and how basic physics says Sol88's demented cult destroys the solar wind with the cult's electric field.
16 October 2019: Sol88's usual lies about posters and their posts. Lukraak_Sisser's recent posts on the solar wind in general revealing Sol88 and his cult's denial of high school level electromagnetism.

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field !
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[quote=Sol88;12866045]If you'd really like to hurt your brain, have a crack at C/2006 P1 (McNaught)[/QUOTE
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field !

This is an insane insult that posters here do not know about physics.
We Know after many years of abysmal ignorance, delusions and lies, Sol88 is incapable of understand physics so C/2006 P1 (McNaught) will certainly hurt Sol8''s brain !

Of course the solar wind interacting with a comet coma containing plasma from sublimating water, CO2, methane ices and dust particles will produce "complex chemistry" !

Of course, solar wind ions passing through a comet coma can gain elections because Ulysses measured ions that would have gained electrons !

Of course, the modeling of the solar wind interacting with a comet was a serious challenge back in 2007 .

Of course, Sol88's demented and insanely ignorant cult have no hope of explaining meeting the 2007 s"erious challenge".
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Sorry, perhaps you misunderstood me. I'm asking you in what way does this water generation prove your general theory. And while you're at it, why and how does it make the "mostly icy comet" theory incorrect?
Sublimation NOT needed!

Electric fields ARE needed.

Electrochemistry is the result.
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Is another lie. Don't you get sick of having to tell lies to divert from the complete failure of your unscientific woo?
Nope,
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A comet is an icy, small Solar System body that, when passing close to the Sun, warms and begins to release gases, a process called outgassing. This produces a visible atmosphere or coma, and sometimes also a tail. These phenomena are due to the effects of solar radiation and the solar wind acting upon the nucleus of the comet.
Wrong!! That's the icydirtball model!

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At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited
So please point me to the CORRECT, LATEST, UP TO DATE, PEER REVIEWED MODEL of comets!

Otherwise it's the Sublimation model, be it a dirtysnowball or an icydirtball.

But if comet nuclei ARE MOSTLY ROCK....
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Of course, Sol88's demented and insanely ignorant cult have no hope of explaining meeting the 2007 serious challenge".
How'd we go? Sort the challenge out?
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It is physically and chemically impossible to "make water" in such quantities as are observed from the solar wind - comet interaction, especially when at high activity the solar wind does not reach the surface of cometary nucleus.

You know that we have gone through the calculations, even the science paper and the rebuttal have been discussed, many a month ago.

So, again, what is the use of discussing with you when you bring up all the same stuff again and again, when it was clearly shown to you that things do not work the way you and your EC friends want them to?
quantities as are observed???? Or modeled?

BIG difference.

This is why comets were once thought of a dirtysnowballs.Seems this model is now wrong. Sheds loads of water (Dissociation of ICE's) products everywhere, HYDROGEN, OXYGEN, CARBON.

ELECTROCHEMISTRY - Electric fields, Free electrons (with energy), containment, and ALL the ingredients necessary for the FULL list of ORGANICS found at 67P.

Get your focus of JUST water and try and incorporate all organics into your dirtysnowball icydirtball.

Seems you have trouble fitting that into the story that comets are left overs from the formation of the solar system.

Lets not forget the "Surprise" of molecular oxygen!
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What makes this utter insanity is that Sol88 is obsessed with insulting the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn whose opinion was that we are evolving toward comets being mostly dust.

Nope, A'Hearn left a legacy. Now mainstream need to follow his lead, after all
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The correct quote is "evolving more toward mostly rock" the real utter insanity is accusing A'Hearn of not knowing the difference between rock and dust.


Again ""evolving (to develop gradually, or to cause something or someone to develop gradually: ) more toward mostly rock (a piece of rock or stone: )"

How the hell are you getting dust from rock????

Rocky Electric comet, absolute no worries, for the dirtysnowball icydirtball, whatever the mainstream model is.

Not really a theory if in can not be falsified, bit like the icydirtball!
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Your new comet model atm, is evolving toward mostly highly porous dust... as per
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The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice.
So maybe A'Hearn didn't know the difference?

Still, very little ice hurts the icydirtball model.

All the data observation indicate exactly what A'Hearn stated. Using the same nomenclature as has been in vogue for some time now, mainstream are left with comets are Dirtballs, maybe you could call them Dustballs but ummmm.....this not the terrain observed that is consistent with a highly porous (80%) dust ball!

Philea should of just ploughed straight into 67P and buried itself like a stone dropped into flour.

Didn't did it! Ended up in the ROCKS!
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insane lies to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

This is Sol88's usual insane lies about his demented cult whose "replacement" for sublimation is the insanity of electric discharges tearing apart rock.

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !
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Sol88's usual insane lies to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges
Yup, you've got it now!

Well done.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

An insane lie abut some demented challenge?
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Usual utter insanity that science must not progress, etc.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

A'Hearn left a legacy of hundreds of papers on ices and dust comets. That is one reason why Sol88's insane obsession with "rock" in his last paper is so demented. Astronomers often call anything that is not ice on a comet "rock". This is not Sol88's insanity of rock from rocky planets.

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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Usual insane lies about astronomers writing comets are made of actual rock.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insane lie that I get it now. I have known for many years that Sol88 and his cult are insane about comets. Sol88 and his cult are equally insane about stars (SAFIRE) which I have known for several years. Ditto for Sol88 and his cult's insane "cosmology" as in the electric universe theories here thread where once again we only get derailing and lies from Sol88.

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After all this time, all we have got from Sol88 are attempts to find errors in the scientific view, and attempts to find data that do not directly contradict EC, but no attempt to show that the EC can actually work.
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Don’t have too, science is advancing one funeral at a time.

Our model has not changed. The mainstream have no model.

Again, succinctly

Comets are rocky objects on elliptical orbits. They are of a different potential to the surrounding plasma.

That’s more or less the electric comet model in a nutshell.

Maybe they were blasted of off planets by immense plasma instabilities. This can occur when planets migrate, even over how ever long it takes to make the nebular collapse hypothesis correct.

After all we know comets are left overs from the formation of the solar system.

Just need to work out how the same solar system formed... grand tack anyone?
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After all this time, all we have got from Sol88 are attempts to find errors in the scientific view, and attempts to find data that do not directly contradict EC, but no attempt to show that the EC can actually work.
To be fair, Sol88 did make what seemed like a good faith effort to at least start to sketch an Electric Comet (EC) idea. Sadly, however, he gave up once even making ball-park estimates (or guesses) seemed too hard.

The apparent "science will one day converge to an EC" is pure trolling, or spam if you prefer. In one way it's a bit sad that trying to develop a sketch of an EC idea was given up; after all, no one at Thunderdolts is even trying any more, not even Talbott (who once posted to an earlier version of this thread).

I imagine Sol88 is feeling very lonely and isolated, re EC ideas, especially as almost every post of his here, these days, serves to prove, yet again, just how nonsensical the EC ideas are (they've long since stopped being pseudo-science or anti-science; today they're just plain gibberish, and evidence of grotesque ignorance).
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Comets are rocky objects on elliptical orbits. They are of a different potential to the surrounding plasma.
Nope, no rock ever seen at a comet. Fail. And there is no 'potential'. Never been seen, and would also affect asteroids. Doesn't. Fail.
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Nope. Pure gibberish. Velikovskian rubbish. Zero science.
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Your new comet model atm, is evolving toward mostly highly porous dust... as per

So maybe A'Hearn didn't know the difference?

Still, very little ice hurts the icydirtball model.

All the data observation indicate exactly what A'Hearn stated. Using the same nomenclature as has been in vogue for some time now, mainstream are left with comets are Dirtballs, maybe you could call them Dustballs but ummmm.....this not the terrain observed that is consistent with a highly porous (80%) dust ball!

Philea should of just ploughed straight into 67P and buried itself like a stone dropped into flour.

Didn't did it! Ended up in the ROCKS!
Nope. No rock. As confirmed by MUPUS on Philae. Nothing like rock. Fail. Stop repeating the same lies. And there is plenty of ice. As witnessed. So that is just another lie. Among many. You have failed. 14 years ago. Get over it.
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Sublimation NOT needed!

Electric fields ARE needed.

Electrochemistry is the result.
if you are so convinced i am sure you can write a concise quantitative text about how you see this happen
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