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Old 27th October 2019, 11:42 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
What good is scientific knowledge without adequate common sense?
Common sense says the Earth is flat, and the sun goes round the Earth.

Common sense has proved to be a very poor guide to the nature of the universe. Most of modern physics is counterintuitive.
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Old 28th October 2019, 12:24 AM   #362
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
What benefit is scientific knowledge if one doesn't put good common sense to use?
If you had any common sense you would have realised the enormous hole in your hilarious "God is infinities" religion.

Your religion claims there is no empty space between stars, but an infinite number of particles.

That means every black hole would absorb those particles and expand until destroying every galaxy......but that's not what is happening is it?

Try another forum.
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Old 28th October 2019, 12:29 AM   #363
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
Nice picture; now perhaps you can explain why it is that you can see that green laser beam from all angles of view.
Are you serious?

The laser light is hitting some oxygen atoms in the atmosphere. It is the oxygen radiating light waves (Rayleigh scattering). That's why you can't see laser light in a vacuum.

Do you know anything about science at all?
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Old 30th October 2019, 01:52 AM   #364
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
This what I do know Cosmic Yak:

(Snipped endless navel-gazing pontification)


This is the most direct answer I can give as a finite being, of a finite intelligence, on the subject of the Infinite.
Really? That's the most direct answer?
It doesn't answer my question at all!
I asked you how you could observe sub-atomic behaviour when no-one else could.
Your answer appears to be- to no-one's great surprise- "Because I say so, because I'm super and special and better than everyone else".
Care to try again?
How do you know what is happening at a subatomic level, when you claim it is impossible to do so?
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Old 31st October 2019, 03:49 AM   #365
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
Because we do know something Craig.

While I do not know what is within the infinite microcosm, beyond the smallest thing I can imagine, I do know that there cannot be gaps, pockets, dots or even infinite minute areas of nothing, because there is existence; and there could not be existence, if any such nothing actually did exist. Also while I cannot fathom the infinte macrocosm, I know that it could not be otherwise, there could not be an infinite nothing within which everything else lingered. Now I have to apply this concept to every form of existence, not only matter but also energy and intelligence.

Also while it is not accurate to say that "the Infinite exists" nor that the "Infinite does not exist", we know of existence because we live within it. The Infinite is simply that, the Infinite!
No, you're reasoning this (badly). That's not knowing.
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Old 31st October 2019, 07:34 AM   #366
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Common sense has proved to be a very poor guide to the nature of the universe. Most of modern physics is counterintuitive.
The proven failure of "common sense" (really just another word for intuition) to reliably help us understand the physical world is precisely why we invented science. You can cynically say it arose out of desperation.
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Old 31st October 2019, 11:01 AM   #367
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Old 31st October 2019, 07:42 PM   #368
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[color="Navy"]Are you serious?

The laser light is hitting some oxygen atoms in the atmosphere. It is the oxygen radiating light waves (Rayleigh scattering). That's why you can't see laser light in a vacuum.

1st of all let's get something clear:

Light does not travel, and as such it is neither a particle nor a wave; only perhaps in the traditional sense. Think water waves and particle to particle interaction we see and understand as water waves or ripples. In terms of light:

As soon as a photon is generated for a brief amount of time, it in turn "energizes the particle next to it, and that particle the particle next to it, and so on in a wave fashion. Depending on the energy level of the original photon the appropriate particles get "energized" giving out the effect corresponding to the "wave" of the particular frequency, amplitude and wave length. The closer to the source the greater the effect, the more of this "lines" of chain effects/waves from the source our eyes (lenses) can detect (be affected by). A few light years away, and we can only detect perhaps a very few almost parallel lines/waves of chain particle energizing (minute distances between particles and therefore minute distance between the almost parallel lines of chain interaction of particles which energize each other in a wave fashion and we understand as the star/dot in the depths of the night sky - unless of course we use a telescope/lenses that reflect the wave and concentrate more of it in the lenses of our eyes).

Lasers are not seen in space, yet are seen on earth because the particular particles that could be "energized" by the already "in line/wave" particles which have already been energized by the source of the laser, are not present. Had engineers invented a laser source that could replicate all energy frequencies of white light, and managed to put a bunch of those frequencies with their matching amplitude,frequency and wavelength together; then a white light laser beam would be seen in space. But even if engineers could do that, because there would be some undetectable frequencies in white light which they would, as a result leave out, they would fail to achieve the desired effect; namely a white light, and therefore visible in space, laser beam.

The fact that the original photon from the source does not travel is the reason that while we have the wave effect, through the aforementioned chain/wave energizing of particles, while we have no particle of a mass, we still see the effect of light across space; yet we don't have momentum and the formula P=MV does not apply (no mass of a photon that never actually moved - neither does the photon acquire infinite mass as would a mass traveling light-speed according to relativity). We use instead the formula P=h/λ. Yet momentum here simply has no meaning since light doesn't actually move; other than perhaps in reference of time passed from the time the original particle from the source first appeared. The "h" then would not refer to the smallest distance a photon would theoretically travel, but the smallest theoretical distance between particles that would be energized by the energy level of a photon of a particular light source.

This is why in the double slit experiment light behaves as a wave, like sound would (also particle interacting with particle/energizing particle). Yet when attempting to detect the movement of "photons", the detectors detect only the momentarily energizing effect of one particle on another particle; as if seeing an instantaneous "picture", just like in a movie. Yet in this case the detectors do not see (detect) all the other pictures (photons/energizing of particles) because they don't exist anymore/yet - therefore we are left with the impression that there is no wave present; just one still, not a full scene from the whole movie. Also the interference effect is a result of already energized particles not being re-energized right away (re-energized - think of it as an "on-off" analogy in this case); the energized particles/accumulated energy, form energy fields which cause particles in the vicinity to not be fully energized/and not at all energized, causing the intermittent "interference" effect.

This theory also explains how radio waves travel through solid surfaces; they simply don't. Instead particles within the surfaces are energized as aforementioned in a chain/wave fashion. This is also why light, despite having no mass, is pulled by the gravitational force of a black hole. Not light itself (for the photons never moved far from the source), but the energized particles, along with all the particles that comprise that part of space pulled by the black hole.

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Old 31st October 2019, 08:34 PM   #369
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
If you had any common sense you would have realised the enormous hole in your hilarious "God is infinities" religion.

Your religion claims there is no empty space between stars, but an infinite number of particles.

That means every black hole would absorb those particles and expand until destroying every galaxy......but that's not what is happening is it?

Try another forum.
The black hole does just that; funnels, particles (which comprise the "fabric" of the Universe) from one side of space to another; no need for it to expand to infinity, besides more particles are funneled in from another source (think in this case "manifold" areas within our universe). There is movement in space (gravitational currents, caused by black holes/"wormholes") almost every galaxy has a black hole in the middle of it, and every galaxy rotates. Now if the universe was completely empty then the galaxies would rotate in a Uniform fashion without areas seemingly lagging behind and appearing as if the galaxy was losing debris. Ice comets would not loose debris as they transcend areas in space, if space was empty (if no resistance - Newton's law).

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Old 31st October 2019, 08:45 PM   #370
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Common sense says the Earth is flat, and the sun goes round the Earth.

Common sense has proved to be a very poor guide to the nature of the universe. Most of modern physics is counterintuitive.
No, that was indoctrinated, implemented, coerced, forced on the burning stake "sense."

An example of common sense put to good use, would be when sailors realized that the masts of ships appeared first in the horizon before the whole ships did; leading them to reason, that the Earth was not flat. Common sense also lead Galileo Galilei, to not acknowledge the fact that the Earth is actually round, till before the time of his death.

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Old 31st October 2019, 08:48 PM   #371
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No "intuition" is the neural effect of thoughts on our hearts. Common sense is the cross referencing of information and the objective reasoning of that information (without being influenced by the status of the source; and taking into consideration interests involved).

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Old 31st October 2019, 09:52 PM   #372
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
Light does not travel, and as such it is neither a particle nor a wave
The double slit photon experiment proves electromagnetic waves (visible light frequencies) is a wave. Polaroid glasses proves electromagnetic waves (visible light frequencies) is a wave. Lasers specifically make electromagnetic ( visible light frequencies) waves. Eyes have evolved specifically sized "cones" that match the size of visible light waves.

You simply can't comprehend the experiments and don't know how lasers or eyes work.



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As soon as a photon is generated for a brief amount of time, it in turn "energizes the particle next to it
No and no such event has ever been recorded. You simply made up this BS claim


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The fact that the original photon from the source does not travel is the reason....
The double slit experiment has interference pattern, specifically meaning the original photon (electromagnetic wave) causes the interference pattern. You just can't understand the experiment.
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The black hole does just that; funnels, particles (which comprise the "fabric" of the Universe) from one side of space to another
No. A black hole curves space which causes enormous gravity. A black hole also attracts light due to curvature and that's why black holes are black.

You BS "God is infinity" claim is that there are no gaps in space and therefore all matter in the universe would be absorbed by and expanding black hole.

You really don't know any basic science.


Curved space causes gravity
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...eption-gravity
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You can survive without any knowledge of science, you can't survive without adequate common sense. What is more, you can google science, or search in the library; you can't learn easily common sense. Without common sense, you won't know what to look for and where, and how to process the information you find.
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This theory also explains how radio waves travel through solid surfaces; they simply don't. Instead particles within the surfaces are energized as aforementioned in a chain/wave fashion.
This is hilarious rubbish. If little radio balls, as your religion claims, were bouncing off particles in a solid object the frequency would not remain intact across the wave and radio receivers would not receive the right frequency. ......yet in the real world that's exactly what happens.

You really don't know anything about the real world or science.
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No. A black hole curves space which causes enormous gravity. A black hole also attracts light due to curvature and that's why black holes are black.

You BS "God is infinity" claim is that there are no gaps in space and therefore all matter in the universe would be absorbed by and expanding black hole.

You really don't know any basic science.


Curved space causes gravity
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...eption-gravity
Perhaps you got to go over your "Event Horizon" information.
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You can survive without any knowledge of science
Darwin is happy you have had no scientific vaccinations.
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Old 31st October 2019, 10:08 PM   #378
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Really? That's the most direct answer?
It doesn't answer my question at all!
I asked you how you could observe sub-atomic behaviour when no-one else could.
Your answer appears to be- to no-one's great surprise- "Because I say so, because I'm super and special and better than everyone else".
Care to try again?
How do you know what is happening at a subatomic level, when you claim it is impossible to do so?
No, I didn't say I could observe it. I said they must be there based on all the aforementioned considerations.
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Perhaps you got to go over your "Event Horizon" information.
I already have. You don't have a clue what a black hole is do you?

Tell us about black hole radiation and the loss of information. Would you like to see the real science rather than your hilarious religious mumbo jumbo?


Hawking Radiation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation
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Old 31st October 2019, 10:12 PM   #380
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1st of all let's get something clear:

Light does not travel, and as such it is neither a particle nor a wave
Wow. Seriously, if one starts with a premise that is obviously flat out wrong, then the entire kettle of crazy can be summarily dismissed.

That crackpot notion does not simply deny actual science, or reality, it denies your own arguments. Or even existence. Good luck with that. Your ideas do not even reach the level of crank beliefs, you simply skip a step and bring those very ideas to the level of crackpottery.

Surely you cannot really believe such absurdities. "Light does not travel"? Then you are claiming that the sun does not exist. What fresh hell is this?
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No, I didn't say I could observe it. I said they must be there based on all the aforementioned considerations.
We can observe electromagnetic waves (visible light waves) moving through solids. That's why prisms cause rainbows. Didn't you know?
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Without common sense, you won't know what to look for and where, and how to process the information you find.
So the other 99.9999% of living species on Earth, that have no conscious "common sense", but evolved innate behaviour to find food, water, reproduce etc ....don't exist?

Is that also part of your hilarious "God is infinities" religion?


Ah that's right. You don't believe in evolution because humans don't have wings. Would you like me to quote you saying that?
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Hey tazanastazio?

Can you tell us the mass of a photon and, then, how it bounces off other particles?
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[color="Navy"]So the other 99.9999% of living species on Earth, that have no conscious "common sense", but evolved innate behaviour to find food, water, reproduce etc ....don't exist?
I meant in today's society; but even in the jungle, some primitively evolved common sense would tell species, when to run, when to hide, when to look for food and where, and when and what to fight with.


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Ah that's right. You don't believe in evolution because humans don't have wings. Would you like me to quote you saying that?
I believe in evolution, read below.


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Our eyes have evolved cones that have a particular size to match the light wave frequency.

Our cells on their own cannot evolve anything. There has to be a precedent an example of a desirable end result. A plan, a framework, a process. With other words, an outside interference. We are not talking simply about cells mutating to certain conditions, a process already arranged in cellular DNA. We are talking for cells in primitive brains having an idea on how to construct the appropriate means to adjust to frequencies (for one they got to know about frequencies first), in order to bring about a desirable effect (have seen a model picture, a target in mind to work towards); common sense.

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Hey tazanastazio?

Can you tell us how individual photons are individual "magic balls" yet can maintain a consistent wave frequency across the entire wave?


Do you also deny colour TVs exist?
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Our cells on their own cannot evolve anything.
So there is no mutation in bacteria DNA and thus no super bugs?

Make sure you tell the next hospital you go to that there is no such thing as evolving single cell species.


Bacteria reproduce by binary fission. In this process the bacterium, which is a single cell, divides into two identical daughter cells. Binary fission begins when the DNA of the bacterium divides into two
https://microbiologyonline.org/about...robes/bacteria

You really don't know anything about the real world at all, do you?
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Wow. Seriously, if one starts with a premise that is obviously flat out wrong, then the entire kettle of crazy can be summarily dismissed.

That crackpot notion does not simply deny actual science, or reality, it denies your own arguments. Or even existence. Good luck with that. Your ideas do not even reach the level of crank beliefs, you simply skip a step and bring those very ideas to the level of crackpottery.

Surely you cannot really believe such absurdities. "Light does not travel"? Then you are claiming that the sun does not exist. What fresh hell is this?
The sun exists, as does fire, and the bulb on your ceiling; but you would only get burnt if you touch them, and feel the heat if you get close. Think about it.
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Hey tazanastazio?

Can you tell us how individual photons are individual "magic balls" yet can maintain a consistent wave frequency across the entire wave?


Do you also deny colour TVs exist?
The effect of light which appears as a wave, is a domino/ripple effect which starts from the source.

You can't have a wave on it's own in space without some constricting factors anyway; Newton's law. The photons would continue towards one direction. If instead we had an atom type of photon/energy package, we would not have a wave motion, but instead rotation around the photons (similar to the planets moving around the sun, while the whole system moves around the galaxy).

Think of the whip effect. As the whip unfolds, the loss of mass increases the velocity at the tip to surpassing the speed of sound (that is why the tip of the whip cracks). But someone continues to hold the whip - it is not let loose. If the wave starts from the source (sun) what keeps it waving while the sun rotates. If you say that the wave is let loose; how all those infinite waves don't interfere with each other. And how is the wave formed if the photons are not chained together (think of water molecules from a water hose, you can put them in a wavy motion because they are momentarily pushing one another (chained in essence to each other) while they are coming out of the hose).

Even if the photons are momentarily pushing or pulling each other, what force directs the whole wavy/chain/train motion?


With those examples in mind I was left with two choices:

1) Photon/energy particle bouncing between particles after it was slingshot in a straight course from the sun.

2) Electron jump within the atoms of the source (sun), causing the domino/chain energizing effect from particle to particle causing the wave effect (no further movement of original photons beyond the immediate vicinity of the source (sun)).

I chose the second, because it agrees with any observation so far, and "predicts" outcomes correctly.

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So there is no mutation in bacteria DNA and thus no super bugs?

Make sure you tell the next hospital you go to that there is no such thing as evolving single cell species.


Bacteria reproduce by binary fission. In this process the bacterium, which is a single cell, divides into two identical daughter cells. Binary fission begins when the DNA of the bacterium divides into two
https://microbiologyonline.org/about...robes/bacteria

You really don't know anything about the real world at all, do you?

Perhaps you skimmed through this part (It crossed my mind that I forgot to write it):

"We are not talking simply about cells mutating to certain conditions, a process already arranged in cellular DNA."

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The sun exists, as does fire, and the bulb on your ceiling; but you would only get burnt if you touch them, and feel the heat if you get close. Think about it.
It have become obvious that you don't know a really really basic fact

Visible light waves are simply a narrow range of the entire electromagnetic wave spectrum. They have exactly the same nature as X-rays, radio waves, radar, Gamma waves etc. The waves bounce back as waves and thus we have radar.

Tell us how radar works according to your hilarious "God is infinities" (Light is bouncing balls) religion.

Read this page and the supporting experiments and science before posting your religious nonsense again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
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"We are not talking simply about cells mutating to certain conditions, a process already arranged in cellular DNA."
I graduated in anthropological prehistory (evolutionary mechanisms). I specialised in molecular radio dating methods.

Are you now denying DNA mutation as it is against your "God is infinities" religion?
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Old 31st October 2019, 11:11 PM   #392
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
The effect of light which appears as a wave, is a domino/ripple effect which starts from the source.
No. That is complete crap. According to your "God is infinities" religion, how does one singular photon particle "bounce" in connection to all other points in the wave to maintain homogeneous frequency?

You keep running away from this incredibly basic question about your religious claim.
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Old 31st October 2019, 11:16 PM   #393
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Our cells on their own cannot evolve anything. There has to be a precedent an example of a desirable end result.
You are really this ignorant?

All DNA mutation is random. It is the environment that defines if the resulting phenotype is better, neutral or worse off for that environment.

Have your never heard of Darwin's finches evolving different species for different island environments?
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Old 31st October 2019, 11:16 PM   #394
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
You are really this ignorant?

All DNA mutation is random. It is the environment that defines if the resulting phenotype is better, neutral or worse off for that environment.

Have your never heard of Darwin's finches evolving different species for different island environments?
I believe evolution is a fact, but not without outside interference. The "environment" or "Nature" or the "Infinite" is not individual choice of species, but outside interference.

Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
I graduated in anthropological prehistory (evolutionary mechanisms). I specialised in molecular radio dating methods.

Are you now denying DNA mutation as it is against your "God is infinities" religion?
I am not denying DNA mutation. I am denying application of DNA mutation, all by its own, to levels corresponding with constructing complicated mechanisms, to match complicated outside factors, without other outside interference; basically without a precedent and therefore a clear prospect about what said end result should be. With other words with the passing of the millennia, individual organisms would have to analyze wave frequency to construct lenses that would serve what purpose? See a tree without knowing what a tree is? Common Sense!

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Old 31st October 2019, 11:20 PM   #395
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
I am not denying DNA mutation.
You just did. Do you agree that DNA mutation is random. Yes or No?
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Old 31st October 2019, 11:23 PM   #396
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It have become obvious that you don't know a really really basic fact

Visible light waves are simply a narrow range of the entire electromagnetic wave spectrum. They have exactly the same nature as X-rays, radio waves, radar, Gamma waves etc. The waves bounce back as waves and thus we have radar.

Tell us how radar works according to your hilarious "God is infinities" (Light is bouncing balls) religion.

Read this page and the supporting experiments and science before posting your religious nonsense again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
Just like our eyes and ears, radars "interpret" particle to particle domino/chain/"wave" effect that reaches them. Waves don't bounce anywhere, simply particles affect/energize particles which we interpret as "bouncing."

Your turn: How does light move?

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iindividual organisms would have to analyze wave frequency to construct lenses that would serve what purpose? See a tree without knowing what a tree is? Common Sense!
A bee doesn't have a clue what a flower is. A bee's brain evolved an innate ( hard wired activity) to go to flowers.

Are you claiming bacteria have to think about infecting a host cell?


(Your posts are becoming comedy gold )
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Old 31st October 2019, 11:28 PM   #398
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How does light move?
"In the mid 1800s, Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell established that light is a form of electromagnetic energy that travels in waves. The question of how it manages to do so in the absence of a medium is explained by the nature of electromagnetic waves....."
https://sciencing.com/light-travel-4570255.html

Your worldly knowledge is 200 years behind current science.
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Old 31st October 2019, 11:28 PM   #399
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
A bee doesn't have a clue what a flower is. A bee's brain evolved an innate ( hard wired activity) to go to flowers.

Are you claiming bacteria have to think about infecting a host cell?


(Your posts are becoming comedy gold )
Trust me I do my own laughing! "A bee's brain evolved an innate (hard wired activity) to go to flowers."

Why?
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Old 31st October 2019, 11:31 PM   #400
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Originally Posted by tazanastazio View Post
Just like our eyes and ears, radars "interpret" particle to particle domino/chain/"wave" effect that reaches them.
Radar bounces back as a wave. Your little bouncing balls can't do that.

Are you admitting you don't even know what radar is?
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