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23rd October 2019, 03:14 AM | #1 |
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Murder investigation in UK after 39 people found dead in lorry container
Geezes I hate people smugglers
Up there in disgusting https://www.thejournal.ie/essex-lorry-4863572-Oct2019/
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A lower body count than the last time it happened, but it'll still spike the homicide figures.
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My educated guess was wrong.
I hadn't seen the truck It was a refrigerated truck and they all died of hypothermia. Scumbags (the smugglers, not the dead) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...rry-container/ |
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Also criticize the people who made people smuggling necessary.
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39 dead in a lorry - driver arrested
In some gruesome news a couple of days ago it was reported that thirty-nine people, including one teenager, were found dead in the back of a refrigerated lorry (it is not known at this stage if the fridge was on) at an industrial park in Grays, Essex, UK and the driver arrested, after pulling in from having picked up the trailer/container from Purfleet a port near Tilbury, a major docking point from Europe (France/Belgium/Denmark/Sweden/Russia).
The driver, 25-year old 'Mo' Robinson from Portadown, Tyrone, Northern Ireland had driven from his home with his driver's cabin, picked up the container, believed to have arrived from Zeebrugge, Belgium and originating from Bulgaria - an estimated three-day journey overland, circa 1:05 am. Now what is interesting, is that within 35 minutes it is claimed Mr Robinson himself discovered the bodies and called the emergency services. Yet, the press have labelled this poor fellow 'one of Britain's worse mass murderers'. Now, he may or may not be involved in organised people trafficking crime but to labelled this young father-to-be a 'mass murderer' and plaster his face all over the media is beyond appalling and also inhumane and another Chris Jeffries waiting to happen. Even the BBC are reporting it was the 'ambulance services' who discovered the body.
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The irony is, Mo Robinson is reported by his friends and family and 'the people of Northern Ireland (catholic and protestant') to have been released without charge. Then there is the spectacle of Boris Johnson and Priti Patel crying fake tears when the UK has one of the worst records for accepting asylum seekers and detention centres have no cap on how long you can be detained for whilst awaiting a deportation decision. Who remembers the Tories' 'hostile environment' policy and the Windrush scandal? These tragedies are waiting to happen. |
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"The two searches on Wednesday night are believed to be linked to the arrest of the driver, named locally as 25-year-old Mo Robinson, from Portadown, who is being held and questioned on suspicion of murder by Essex police." Where does "released without charge" come from? |
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What is concerning is the mixed information about the lorry driver who has been now named and pictured in the press.
There are differing claims about whether or not he phoned the emergency services. We do not know how long he had been driving the lorry for. We do not know if he had access to the trailer. We do not know if he was a patsy or even driving the vehicle under threat of violence. We do not know why he parked where he did, was it because he was suspicious of what was inside and wanted to go somewhere quiet and check? |
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A photo of the lorry being driven away shows it is left hand drive. There have been reports it is registered in NI, Bulgaria and now even Belgium. This is one of the most confused, speculative news reports I have seen.
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Let's face it, 'Mo' Robinson, the driver, is hardly going to be keeping a running commentary on his FB page were he knowingly involved in serious organised crime.
There is a picture on his FB page of his 'larking around with a policeman', according to the DM. It also says the 39 were 'probably dead at least 15 hours'. But Mr Robinson only had the container in his possession for little more than 35 minutes. |
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The thing is, with that kind of truck, only the tractor is usually owned by the driver or whoever the driver is working for. In simple terms, the driver would typically be told, "go to such and such a place, hook up that trailer and take it to another such and such a place"
In the case of a contracting long distance truck driver (which this guy appears to be, judging by the photos on his Facebook page of the various different trailers being dragged by his truck) a typical sequence of events might be that he would be contracted by a transport company to haul a container trailer of, say, machine parts from "A" to "B", then he might deadhead 30 miles to "C" where he hooks up a refrigerated trailer to bring back to "A". The truck driver, and even the transport company might have no idea what is in the trailer, and they usually would not inspect anything other that the paperwork. The ownership of the truck is not really relevant, its the ownership of the trailer he is hauling that would need to be established. |
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The tractor unit is left hand drive but has English writing on it. It is apparently from Bulgaria, but is registered to a company in NI.
There is little doubt that there is a business link between the two, but is it refrigerated food transportation, or human trafficking, or both or the NI company was unlucky and had their unit hijacked by traffickers? |
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The Times has chosen to condemn the driver, despite the lack of reliable information;
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...uiry-5bb00cbnx "Smiling out of the window of a lorry, the keen young haulier seemed anything but a people smuggler, let alone a mass murderer." |
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The trouble is that in almost all cases, containers are locked and sealed with a lead or plastic tamper crimp to stop pilfering. Same with large refrigeration units. In the vast majority of cases, the driver only knows what is in his trailer/container by what it says on the bill of lading.
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It's a straight forward business decision. If your (haulage, in this case) company is registered in Bulgaria, you only pay 10% corporation tax. Imagine your net profits are int he £'000's or even £'ms, then the savings are massive, you only pay half of what you would pay if registered in the UK.
And before anyone claims this would only attract criminals, many MNC's do it: Amazon, Ebay, Microsoft - give goods and services in once country, invoice from another. Imagine if you discovered there was a way to halve your tax (and many do by registering as a company) it makes business sense to do so. Every time you contribute to an ISA or pension fund you, too, are taking advantage of favourable tax concessions, so in itself, the fact the Irish haulage firm is registered in Bulgaria means zippo. |
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That makes sense but creates paperwork. Should an ordianry lorry driver be expected to open each crate/box to examine what's inside?
Then he or she'd need to fill in various forms an lodge it. Then they'll need insurance against having to take the rap should there be concealed loads of illegal drugs or arms on board. They might need to acquire sniffer dogs and X-ray detectors. Nope. Impractical and not workable. |
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Apparently its all the British authorities fault for not letting Chinese migrants come and go into their country as they please, since it's not safe to live in China nor is it safe to seek asylum anywhere on the European mainland. It's no wonder that many of these people are willing to risk getting crushed under trucks because staying in France is like a death sentence... (although most of those are Afghanis, Syrians and people from Northern parts of Africa).
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It could be the driver had nothing to do with the Chinese victims found dead in a container driven by him from Purfleet to Grays, after arriving via Zeebrugge. However, it is understandable the police are keen to understand just what his role was. Who hired him? Has he done it before? How - as a 25-year old rookie lorry driver - has he managed to afford a £300,000 house in a rural area, even mortgaged up to the eyeballs, especially if his girlfriend expecting twins is unable to work? How was it worth his while to drive, as a 'self-employed' lorry driver all the way from Portadown, Co. Armagh, Northern Ireland, having to travel via Holyhead in Wales, if he knew nothing at all about the apparent illegal immigrant smuggling (possibly as slave labour) and whiling away three days awaiting the arrival of the ship?
Truth is, the Chinese form one of the largest group of non-EU citizens arriving in the UK, most of them registering as students. We know Chinese gang-masters exist, for they were behind the 58 found dead in a similar lorry 2002 on a roadside in Austria and behind the 21 cockle-pickers who drowned in Morecambe Bay, earning just £1 per diem. ISTM this is huge insofar as the police may have smashed a well-organised ring of highly organised, ruthless people smugglers. If the average migrant pays £10,000 for the journey 5,000 miles out of China, then someone somewhere has pocketed £390,000 +. Maybe that is the answer as to how it could be worth while to a simple Northern Irish lorry driver with a love of C&W and Ulster Unionist loyalism.
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Is it not a rule that if that container has customs seals on it, then the driver is not permitted to open it anyway?
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Completely impractical, for reasons having nothing to do with paperwork. Here's a loaded semi-trailer, being turned over to an independent driver for the next leg of its delivery. The driver, required to check the contents of the load, opens the trailer's loading doors and sees... a wall of cartons, extending the full width of the trailer and within a few inches of its full height, which is two stories from the ground. The cartons say "Swimming Pool Filter GG2-225" and sure enough 100 of that item are on the bill of lading, but that's only about 5% of the entire load. Is the load now checked, and he can close the doors and be on his way? Or should he climb up and give the bottom cartons a few good kicks, to make sure he's not really looking at a false cardboard wall with guns or drugs or dead bodies behind it? Or is he responsible for verifying that the cartons really contain swimming pool filters, as well as the rest of the load, which would literally take all day, plus a crew, lifting equipment, and a safe dry bay to do that work in? |
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A very dear late friend of mine was a long distance lorry driver, as was one of my cousins, and both drove all over Europe. The friend was one of the most intelligent people I ever met. Would he have been interested in policing his truck? No, these guys just want to keep on truckin' without a care in the world. It's a tough life, driving endlessly, through the night and having to sleep at the back. If they had wanted a pen-pushing desk job, they would have signed up for office work or joined the border security.
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It is of course possible that the driver went to the industrial estate to let the immigrants out, in full knowledge that they were there. He has been kept in custody for another 24 hours for further questioning.
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Hindsight's a fine thing,eh? Some guy said he had sometimes seen people walking around looking lost as though they had no idea where they were.
Others had heard 'rumours'. Is there actually any hard evidence 'groups of illegal immigrants regularly alighted there'? I thought not. |
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Did you actually see the reports or are you dismissing them out of hand? What do you mean by 'hard evidence'?
There was, I assume, a taxi driver who said a group of people who didn't speak English who would give him a mobile phone, and a voice on the other end would tell him where to take them. ETA: Also, please don't put something I didn't say in quotes and imply I did say it. |
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