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Old 26th November 2019, 07:11 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
The "satanism" often associated with organised child abuse is nothing but theatrics, used by the degenerates to cloak and, to an extent, 'rationalise' what's essentially nothing but submission to the basest, most destructive of human impulses.
Do we have any actual examples of those theatrics? Or are they just silly rumours?
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Old 26th November 2019, 07:37 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Okay, seriously, what's the issue with "jumbo-sized Jesus crucifixes"? When I read the OP, I was sure it was a parody, because it seemed like you were describing every single Catholic Church I've ever been in.

Of course, now you're taking on the Vatican, so I guess you were serious, but seriously, can you not see how someone else might think you're just a little nuts?
Don't be so rude.

Are you claiming these beliefs do not exist? Just because you scoff at it, it doesn't mean certain other people don't take the occult seriously.
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Old 26th November 2019, 07:46 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Are you claiming these beliefs do not exist? Just because you scoff at it, it doesn't mean certain other people don't take the occult seriously.
Some people take Raelian aliens seriously. Some people take Xenu seriously.

That doesn't mean much.
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Old 26th November 2019, 07:47 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Don't be so rude.

Are you claiming these beliefs do not exist? Just because you scoff at it, it doesn't mean certain other people don't take the occult seriously.
Some posters might think you are seeing patterns that aren't really there.

For example, you cite the coding used for a person's age as being 2x8. Well, earlier you said eight plus eight, then 2 x eight). That person is also reported to be a Russian teacher. If the writer of the phone record was able to cloak the profession, shouldn't they have also cloaked the age? Say, adding 11 to the age, making a 16 yr old 27? The reader would still get the message.
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Old 26th November 2019, 07:52 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
The "satanism" often associated with organised child abuse is nothing but theatrics, used by the degenerates to cloak and, to an extent, 'rationalise' what's essentially nothing but submission to the basest, most destructive of human impulses.
The question isn't really whether satanism is real or not. Just whether some think it jolly good fun and worth protecting.

Think about it. Were you or I - or let's say him next door - were to throw a party which included procuring a load of teenage escorts for his bunch of middle-aged mates. Notwithstanding running a house of ill repute or living off immoral earnings could get you having your collar felt by the police, can you seriously envisage getting away with it for decades? Say Epstein's Madam was Ghislaine Maxwell (which she denies and has never been arrested for) how come she has never faced questioning by the FBI or whoever?

So say you have something that is akin to a secret society that no-one knows about, would you really expect to see world leaders, top attorneys, financier, presidents and former presidents of the USA, members of the British Royal Family (allegedly) there? Given society's norms are (still) the nuclear family: Mom, Dad and the kids, what are these pillars of society, who are supposed to be setting an example, doing, having debauched orgies with women barely out of their teens in stylised rituals and temples, like something out of 'Eyes Wide Shut'?

Well, one way to deal with the cognitive dissonance is to perhaps call it some kind of exclusive lodge, run on masonic lines.
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Old 26th November 2019, 07:54 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
The question isn't really whether satanism is real or not. Just whether some think it jolly good fun and worth protecting.
No, the question is whether specific people believe it. So far, you've not established that they do.
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No, the question is whether specific people believe it. So far, you've not established that they do.
Or whether such a ring was actually being run, as opposed to some funky backdrops for those with odd tastes.
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Old 26th November 2019, 08:03 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
Could just be an honest mistake. When you're raised Jewish but switch for business reasons to Team Satan you may just have it in mind that you've changed teams but get a bit vague about the specific symbols of your new allegiance. You're busy, busy, busy doing evil so this sort of detail might get overlooked. He was probably expecting his henchmen to pick up on any mistakes he made but they might have thought he was being ironic.
I am sure Epstein was a nice Jewish boy who observed Yom Kippur, yearly asking for atonement for the previous year, eats Seder meals with his elderly aunts at Passover, says, 'Mazel Tov' at weddings, etcetera, etcetera. But who is this guy? OK, so he's a rich billionaire financier. So where did he get his money from? Was through honest business, or was it through arranging debauched and perhaps not-so-debauched parties for socialites, with his key role as a procurer of teenage flesh?

So, to make it clear these people couldn't give a toss about society's mores and are completely above it, why, in fact, they run the freaking world, dammit, so they mock the plebiscites by mocking the family, Jesus, sexual morality, the age of consent.

Virginia Roberts Guiffre claims Epstein and Maxwell wanted her to have his baby and then hand it over. What? Did it happen? What happened to this baby?
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Crucifixes are required by your more committed Jewish satanist because you can show your extremeness by hanging 'em upside down - which you can't do with a Star of David.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Fascinating, but this has absolutely naff all to do with the idea that Epstein, the Democrat Party and the British Royal family are Satanists.
And, no, I wasn't being flippant. These accusations are 'Da Vinci Code'-level horsedung. What is needed is some evidence, any evidence at all, before these kinds of accusations are thrown around.
Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?
Witnesses who claim Epstein had entourages of thirty or so. 'Sex slave' Chantau Davies claims she procured at least fifty of her friends 'between 14 -16' for Epstein and Virginia says something similar, but ages unspecified.

All riiiight, so Epstein liked young flesh. So what? He had the money to attract them, whether by grooming or by a straightforward commercial deal.

But wait!

These girls were not just for his own use. This is where it becomes sinister: he was supplying Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and Prince Andrew - allegedly - amongst another 'one thousand names', according to an unsealed court deposition.

What?

Makes Dan Brown look seriously lightweight in comparison.
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Not enough arguing going on in the other threads, so time to throw out baseless crap that isn't even supported by the speculation in question, let alone any actual evidence?
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I am sure Epstein was a nice Jewish boy who observed Yom Kippur, yearly asking for atonement for the previous year, eats Seder meals with his elderly aunts at Passover, says, 'Mazel Tov' at weddings, etcetera, etcetera. But who is this guy? OK, so he's a rich billionaire financier. So where did he get his money from? Was through honest business, or was it through arranging debauched and perhaps not-so-debauched parties for socialites, with his key role as a procurer of teenage flesh?
You have the weirdest theories.
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Old 26th November 2019, 08:15 AM   #53
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Epstein was a perv and a monster, but there's no credible evidence he was a Satanist. What a load of hooey.
'A perv and a monster' who got half the world leaders to join in with his shenanigans and they all covered up for him

And all you can say is, 'what a load of hooey'.
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'A perv and a monster' who got half the world leaders to join in with his shenanigans and they all covered up for him
Half the world leaders? Even assuming that's hyperbole: name them.
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Come on, it's not enough to hate a guy just because he's a perv and a monster! We've got to sex it up a bit!
How many pervs and monsters do you know of who get to share around the perversity and monstrousness to a POTUS, ex-POTUS and HRH Prince, defender of the faith, and protected from legal action for decades?
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Half the world leaders? Even assuming that's hyperbole: name them.
Like all bad conspiracies, they just keep growing and growing.
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How many pervs and monsters do you know of who get to share around the perversity and monstrousness to a POTUS, ex-POTUS and HRH Prince, defender of the faith, and protected from legal action for decades?
How many of them have hundreds of millions of dollars?
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Some people take Raelian aliens seriously. Some people take Xenu seriously.

That doesn't mean much.
I could take Ralian aliens seriously but as soon as I throw parties involving the POTUS and His Royal Highness doing things you're not allowed to do and keeping it secret for decades then it begins to mean something.
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I bet he had a tunnel right to Podesta's favorite pizza place beneath his Jewish pagan satanic masonic temple.
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No, the question is whether specific people believe it. So far, you've not established that they do.
People can join in with it without believing it.
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Old 26th November 2019, 08:27 AM   #61
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I could take Ralian aliens seriously but as soon as I throw parties involving the POTUS and His Royal Highness doing things you're not allowed to do and keeping it secret for decades then it begins to mean something.
Except that you have not established any of these beliefs or actions. You are building assumption upon assumption.

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People can join in with it without believing it.
But why would they? Again, you are speculating fractally.
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How many of them have hundreds of millions of dollars?

Yeah, this.


We know that a certain percentage of people are pervs and monsters. We see it every day, people being caught with kiddie porn, molesting their kids, all that. And we see it at every level of society, in every faith, or no faith. So why is it surprising that a certain percentage of rich people are also pervs and monsters?

The only difference is that they have the resources to really go big with their perversion. It's not the kid next door in the basement, it's a bunch of kids from any insufficiently guarded place in the world, on a private island.
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Yeah, this.


We know that a certain percentage of people are pervs and monsters. We see it every day, people being caught with kiddie porn, molesting their kids, all that. And we see it at every level of society, in every faith, or no faith. So why is it surprising that a certain percentage of rich people are also pervs and monsters?

The only difference is that they have the resources to really go big with their perversion. It's not the kid next door in the basement, it's a bunch of kids from any insufficiently guarded place in the world, on a private island.
You have forgotten one small detail. How many organised illegal sex rings do you know of that go on for decades and which involve the most senior public figures?
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You have forgotten one small detail. How many organised illegal sex rings do you know of that go on for decades and which involve the most senior public figures?
How is that a small detail?

Are you now making the case that Epstein's was unique? That certainly wouldn't help your more general point.
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Crucifixes are required by your more committed Jewish satanist because you can show your extremeness by hanging 'em upside down - which you can't do with a Star of David.
O mores! O tempora!
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I bet he had a tunnel right to Podesta's favorite pizza place beneath his Jewish pagan satanic masonic temple.
Being Jewish doesn't exempt you.

Look at Christianity, predicated as it is on Mosiac law (Judaism). The man as patriarch of the family, no adultery, no fornication, have sex with a lady, you have to marry her, your kids need to be initiated (circumcised/baptised) as soon as possible and educated in the right paths as per the scriptures.

For someone brought up in this way, teenage orgies with aging men in quasi-religious surroundings is an affront to decency.

When we discover the people involved in it are those who claim to uphold moral values...

But according to Belz, we have no evidence. It is all fake news, or the 'survivors' are exaggerating.
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Being Jewish doesn't exempt you.

Look at Christianity, predicated as it is on Mosiac law (Judaism). The man as patriarch of the family, no adultery, no fornication, have sex with a lady, you have to marry her, your kids need to be initiated (circumcised/baptised) as soon as possible and educated in the right paths as per the scriptures.

For someone brought up in this way, teenage orgies with aging men in quasi-religious surroundings is an affront to decency.

When we discover the people involved in it are those who claim to uphold moral values...

But according to you, we have no evidence. It is all fake news, or the 'survivors' are exaggerating.
You don't have evidence. All you have are suppositions and JAQs. Epstein raped girls. He knew people in power. Ergo they also raped girls.

Your logic is broken.
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I keep reading the name in the thread title asEinstein. Conjurs up some interesting thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
'A perv and a monster' who got half the world leaders to join in with his shenanigans and they all covered up for him

And all you can say is, 'what a load of hooey'.
Hmm. Allow me to check my work. Wild claim; no credible evidence. Yep, what a load of hooey.
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  • Let's see - 200 countries in the UN, one leader each. Even if you only take 50, each of these countries has an ex-leader still alive, like Clinton or Bush or Blair.
  • Fortune 500 CEOs- let's only take 100 of them as being inflential world leaders.
  • Call it 10 or 15 major religions and their primary branches, each with a leader.
  • 3 dozen or so major international NGOs, like UNESCO, MSF, CARE International, Clinton Foundation, Red Cross, etc.
  • Top 20 Global Universities' provosts or presidents
  • Council on Foreign Relations - 10 on the board, give or take
  • European Royalty family members - Windsors, Netherlands, Scandinavia, Spain, Luxembourg ... I'll guess 40
  • Hollywood - 25 big players, like the CEO of Disney, major studios, Tom Cruise et al
  • ~50 Media influencers - Kim Kardashian, Rachel Maddow and whomever is on in India, BBC and Japan whatever.

That's 500 "world leaders," and half of them joined in with Epstein's satanist pedophile ring. 250 elite pedophile scumbags, flying around the world on private jets to Davos and the Caribbean, raping your children and eating their blood with matzo or whatever.

The world is indeed a very dark place for the paranoid conspiracy theorist. I'd encourage everyone who feels this way to consult a mental health professional, or at the very least to get outside and exercise, maybe do a little yoga.

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The world is indeed a very dark place for the paranoid conspiracy theorist.
Of course. They have to justify their boring, go-nowhere lives somehow.
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Old 26th November 2019, 09:39 AM   #72
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Of course. They have to justify their boring, go-nowhere lives somehow.
Happily, that doesn't apply to me.
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Old 26th November 2019, 09:44 AM   #73
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Happily, that doesn't apply to me.
I should hope not.

So what's your excuse, then?
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I should hope not.

So what's your excuse, then?
My excuse? I am neither paranoid nor a conspiracy theorist.

Fact of the matter is people do believe in this stuff.
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Old 26th November 2019, 09:55 AM   #75
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
My excuse? I am neither paranoid nor a conspiracy theorist.
You've suggested that Epstein ran a satanic ring, and your evidence was vague masonic symbolism. Then when asked about the discrepancy you moved on to this:

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Fact of the matter is people do believe in this stuff.
As if that demonstrates anything. I've already addressed it but you sidestepped the main point.

I'm starting to see a pattern here.
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Old 26th November 2019, 10:31 AM   #76
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
  • Let's see - 200 countries in the UN, one leader each. Even if you only take 50, each of these countries has an ex-leader still alive, like Clinton or Bush or Blair.
  • Fortune 500 CEOs- let's only take 100 of them as being inflential world leaders.
  • Call it 10 or 15 major religions and their primary branches, each with a leader.
  • 3 dozen or so major international NGOs, like UNESCO, MSF, CARE International, Clinton Foundation, Red Cross, etc.
  • Top 20 Global Universities' provosts or presidents
  • Council on Foreign Relations - 10 on the board, give or take
  • European Royalty family members - Windsors, Netherlands, Scandinavia, Spain, Luxembourg ... I'll guess 40
  • Hollywood - 25 big players, like the CEO of Disney, major studios, Tom Cruise et al
  • ~50 Media influencers - Kim Kardashian, Rachel Maddow and whomever is on in India, BBC and Japan whatever.

That's 500 "world leaders," and half of them joined in with Epstein's satanist pedophile ring. 250 elite pedophile scumbags, flying around the world on private jets to Davos and the Caribbean, raping your children and eating their blood with matzo or whatever.

The world is indeed a very dark place for the paranoid conspiracy theorist. I'd encourage everyone who feels this way to consult a mental health professional, or at the very least to get outside and exercise, maybe do a little yoga.
When I said 'half the world leaders', it was obviously a figure of speech.

The world is indeed a very limited place for those who believe the occult and its practice are pure fiction.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
You've suggested that Epstein ran a satanic ring, and your evidence was vague masonic symbolism. Then when asked about the discrepancy you moved on to this:



As if that demonstrates anything. I've already addressed it but you sidestepped the main point.

I'm starting to see a pattern here.
Well something was adhering his circle of teenage girl lovers together and ring fencing them from investigation or prosecution.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Think about it. Were you or I - or let's say him next door - were to throw a party which included procuring a load of teenage escorts for his bunch of middle-aged mates. Notwithstanding running a house of ill repute or living off immoral earnings could get you having your collar felt by the police, can you seriously envisage getting away with it for decades? Say Epstein's Madam was Ghislaine Maxwell (which she denies and has never been arrested for) how come she has never faced questioning by the FBI or whoever?
I'd be surprised if anyone posting on this board could afford to live next door to Jeffrey Epstein.

Here's the thing, if you could afford to be his neighbor chances are good that you traveled in the same social circles and at some point Epstein might have invited you over to one of his parties because that's what neighbors do, and you would have gone to the party. This doesn't make you a pedophile, it makes you one of hundreds of wealthy people who partied with Epstein.

Maybe you're new to the planet but politicians are attracted to money and people with money, and business empires with money. Epstein had money as did his friends.

And this is the problem now; how many of the politicians and civic officials who frequented Epstein's parties also engaged in sexual activity, and then of those- how many of them knowingly had sex with under-aged girls and boys? Right now there is no credible answer to this question in as far as the FBI is willing to reveal. Our current President and his AG are demonstrating that they have zero respect for the law and feel they are above it and thus the FBI has to be extremely careful since our current President is one of those politicians who has already openly bragged about being able to ogle naked under aged girls in his days running the Miss Teen USA Pageant.

This is where the Satanic crap does damage to true justice. It is a diversion by simpletons away from the facts and takes the conspiracy into Looney Land.

Pedophilia is evil enough on its own merits, there is no need to drag a mythical being into the picture. Epstein and Maxwell's organization was/is real and conducted a real conspiracy across the globe with all the bells and whistles of CT's but is in the process of being documented by the very same organizations CTists ridicule.

Why isn't this enough?

The good Lord has handed us a genuine non-woo conspiracy that crosses all political boundaries. Why not stick to the awful facts? There is something for everyone with Epstein to satisfy whatever political bent anyone could ever have. How about just paying attention to the evidence as it is unveiled instead of twisting the story? Just once would be nice, but CTists can't help themselves.
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I'd be surprised if anyone posting on this board could afford to live next door to Jeffrey Epstein.

Here's the thing, if you could afford to be his neighbor chances are good that you traveled in the same social circles and at some point Epstein might have invited you over to one of his parties because that's what neighbors do, and you would have gone to the party. This doesn't make you a pedophile, it makes you one of hundreds of wealthy people who partied with Epstein.

Maybe you're new to the planet but politicians are attracted to money and people with money, and business empires with money. Epstein had money as did his friends.

And this is the problem now; how many of the politicians and civic officials who frequented Epstein's parties also engaged in sexual activity, and then of those- how many of them knowingly had sex with under-aged girls and boys? Right now there is no credible answer to this question in as far as the FBI is willing to reveal. Our current President and his AG are demonstrating that they have zero respect for the law and feel they are above it and thus the FBI has to be extremely careful since our current President is one of those politicians who has already openly bragged about being able to ogle naked under aged girls in his days running the Miss Teen USA Pageant.

This is where the Satanic crap does damage to true justice. It is a diversion by simpletons away from the facts and takes the conspiracy into Looney Land.

Pedophilia is evil enough on its own merits, there is no need to drag a mythical being into the picture. Epstein and Maxwell's organization was/is real and conducted a real conspiracy across the globe with all the bells and whistles of CT's but is in the process of being documented by the very same organizations CTists ridicule.

Why isn't this enough?

The good Lord has handed us a genuine non-woo conspiracy that crosses all political boundaries. Why not stick to the awful facts? There is something for everyone with Epstein to satisfy whatever political bent anyone could ever have. How about just paying attention to the evidence as it is unveiled instead of twisting the story? Just once would be nice, but CTists can't help themselves.
You do know Epstein was never in that fabulous Ivy League world of the rich and famous. He came from blue collar Brooklyn and has only ever had one client in his life (Wexner, who believes Epstein swindled him systematically). He gained experience at Bear Stearn and various lucky breaks without being particularly qualified. His net worth was $550million even after buying the two islands in the Virgins (Little St Thomas and the other St Thomas), $77million mansion in the heart of Manhattan, others in New Mexico and Florida near Mar-A-Lago (where Virginia first hooked up with him).

His buddies included the Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Bill Clinton, Trump, Prince Andrew and a whole long list of scientists, who found him shallow but hey, here's a multi billionaire who could help sponsor their next project, paper or research for a doctorate. He dined with Dr. Stephen Hawkings, Pinker, Dawson, Oliver Sacks, Stephen Jay Gould - the list goes on and on.

But who was this guy? How did he earn such bring bucks when truth be told he was mediocre (just one client? Really?) and the scientist community found him shallow and his scientific knowledge superficial.

Of course everybody is racing to distance themselves from this guy. However, his plan was to spread his DNA and to start a sperm donor bank amongst the elite scientists. His dream was to impregnate fifty girls at a time. How does a crackpot like that manage to jet Bill Clinton to his parties (26 flights logged [Trump had his own private jet so only a couple logged for him]) .

Let's face it, Jeffrey Epstein was just a panhandler. All he was useful for was procuring young teenagers.

Looking at his list of contacts no wonder the police and the FBI didn't want to touch him.

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Mr. Epstein attracted a glittering array of prominent scientists. They included the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Murray Gell-Mann, who discovered the quark; the theoretical physicist and best-selling author Stephen Hawking; the paleontologist and evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould; Oliver Sacks, the neurologist and best-selling author; George M. Church, a molecular engineer who has worked to identify genes that could be altered to create superior humans; and the M.I.T. theoretical physicist Frank Wilczek, a Nobel laureate.
<snip>

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The Harvard cognitive psychologist Steven Pinker said he was invited by colleagues — including Martin Nowak, a Harvard professor of mathematics and biology, and the theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss — to “salons and coffee klatsches” at which Mr. Epstein would hold court.

While some of Mr. Pinker’s peers hailed Mr. Epstein as brilliant, Mr. Pinker described him as an “intellectual impostor.”

“He would abruptly change the subject, A.D.D.-style, dismiss an observation with an adolescent wisecrack,” Mr. Pinker said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/b...-eugenics.html

So, this nobody guy with a huge stash of wealth seemingly from nowhere has stylised temples, Plato-style Atlantis mazes, an occult sundial (although the naive might believe it is a compass): Ancient Egyptian-style statues of birds and a myriad of gargoyles, and a temple with underground tunnels and access.
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
Horizontal sundials are often round, and must be oriented to geographical north and south in order to work properly. Including compass rose points is the most natural thing in the world. It gives the dial a function, local orientation, that visitors can appreciate even if it's cloudy.
Have a look at it on Google Maps:

18°17'53.6"N 64°49'41.4"W

As you can see it is not fully square with North. AIUI Google Maps have north directly at the top.
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