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Old 29th November 2019, 08:53 AM   #1
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Looks like another terrorist attack on London Bridge

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Old 29th November 2019, 08:54 AM   #2
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Video of man being shot by police

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Old 29th November 2019, 08:55 AM   #3
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One dead and up to five hurt on London Bridge as armed police shoot 'knifeman': Video shows people struggling with suspect before officers drag them away and open fire while bystanders flee 'in suspected terror attack'

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Armed police shot a man on London Bridge today in an incident that has left one person dead and up to five people injured as Scotland Yard said they are treating it as 'terror-related'.

Dramatic video filmed at the scene around 2pm this afternoon shows at least four people struggling with a man on the ground before armed police officers step in.

The officers tell the people on top of the suspect to move away, before dragging the last bystander to safety and opening fire. One of the bystanders is holding a knife which seems to have been taken from the suspect. The suspect lies wounded on the ground, but still moving as officers back away - clearly fearing that they are still in danger, potentially from explosives.

The incident comes two and a half years after the horrifying terrorist attack on London Bridge in June 2017 which saw three men kill eight people and injure 48 others.

While the episode unfolds this afternoon, hundreds of frightened bystanders look on and begin screaming and running for their lives as shots are fired. Police this afternoon refused to say if the shot man had died, or if another person had been killed in the incident. A spokesman said: 'We don't know, and we're not releasing any more information.'...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dent-area.html
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Old 29th November 2019, 08:59 AM   #4
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The man shot is dead, sources tell the Guardian.
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Old 29th November 2019, 09:03 AM   #5
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Is that the "one dead", or did the attacker kill someone?
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Old 29th November 2019, 09:08 AM   #6
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It's not clear yet. More importantly the tubes are not stopping at London Bridge!
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Old 29th November 2019, 09:37 AM   #7
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Police news conference confirms that it was a terrorist attack, and the perp had a hoax explosive device attached to him, which explains why he was shot by police while apparently restrained.
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Old 29th November 2019, 09:47 AM   #8
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Police news conference confirms that it was a terrorist attack, and the perp had a hoax explosive device attached to him, which explains why he was shot by police while apparently restrained.
Just seen this as well.

Not that I was bothered, but the hoax belt should stop any questioning of why the police shot him. You just know it would have happened.

Well done to the members of the public who disarmed him, unbelievable courage. Even more saw if they also saw the bomb belt.
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Old 29th November 2019, 10:06 AM   #9
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Just seen this as well.

Not that I was bothered, but the hoax belt should stop any questioning of why the police shot him. You just know it would have happened.

Well done to the members of the public who disarmed him, unbelievable courage. Even more saw if they also saw the bomb belt.
Second this.

The public who responded and restrained this man pending the arrival of the police deserve our thanks.

If the police saw what they believed to be a suicide vest then they had little option but to shoot to kill.
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Well done to the members of the public who disarmed him, unbelievable courage. Even more saw if they also saw the bomb belt.
There'll probably be a George Medal or two in that.
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Old 29th November 2019, 10:31 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Mr Fied View Post
Just seen this as well.

Not that I was bothered, but the hoax belt should stop any questioning of why the police shot him. You just know it would have happened.

Well done to the members of the public who disarmed him, unbelievable courage. Even more saw if they also saw the bomb belt.
I wonder if the counter-attackers had some military training? Off duty cops? Martial arts training? I guess we'll hear more about them.
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Old 29th November 2019, 10:41 AM   #13
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There'll probably be a George Medal or two in that.
Hopefully.
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I wonder if the counter-attackers had some military training? Off duty cops? Martial arts training? I guess we'll hear more about them.
Or just enough ordinary people who decided it stop the assailant. It's a very busy area at any time of the day, particularly around the end of lunch time.
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I wonder if the counter-attackers had some military training? Off duty cops? Martial arts training? I guess we'll hear more about them.
I don't know about that, but seen some reports that one was armed with a stick (not sure if they meant walking stick), and one was wielding a fire extinguisher.

I haven't heard at this point if those that intervened were among the casualties.
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"At least 10" casualties, two of them in serious condition.
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“What’s remarkable about the images we’ve seen is the breathtaking heroism of members of the public who literally ran towards danger, not knowing what confronted them.

“We do know from the statement given by the assistant commissioner Neil Basu that there appears to be a device on the suspect.

“Members of the public didn’t realise at the time that was a hoax device and they really are the best of us, another example of the bravery and heroism of ordinary Londoners running towards danger, risking their own personal safety to try and save others.

“And I want to say thank you to them on behalf of all Londoners but also because it shows the best of us.”


-Mayor Sadiq Khan
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Old 29th November 2019, 11:13 AM   #18
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Guardian reporting one member of the public dead.

I believe this is as well as the attacker from what I have read.
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One member of the public was killed, in addition to the attacker being shot dead at the scene.

Ninja'd!
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Two now, according to BBC.
"From Whitehall sources"

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What is the attraction of London Bridge for terrorists? Last time, most of the victims were tourists and nothing to do with terrorist grievances.
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The police appear to have seen the suicide vest, got rid of the public who were subduing the male and then shot him dead.

The public took the chance of it being an actual suicide vest and tried to affect an arrest, the police did not.

If that is the police tactic, there needs to be a clear message to the public, do not try and arrest someone wearing an apparent suicide vest, keep away from them as they will be treated as an immediate threat to life and they will be shot.
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If it was fake, that is 'suicide by policeman'.
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I get it. It's the run up to Christmas. Stabbing at a shopping centre in the Hague now. Expect copycats.

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At least three people have been stabbed in an attack at a department store in a busy shopping street in The Hague, Dutch police say.

Police are searching for a man aged between 45 and 50, wearing a grey jogging tracksuit, who they believe may be behind the attack.

Images on social media showed emergency services at the scene amid crowds of Black Friday shoppers.

The condition of those injured and the motive for the attack remain unclear.

The incident happened at the Hudson's Bay store in the city's Grote Markt or main market square area, local reports say.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50609528
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The police appear to have seen the suicide vest, got rid of the public who were subduing the male and then shot him dead.

The public took the chance of it being an actual suicide vest and tried to affect an arrest, the police did not.

If that is the police tactic, there needs to be a clear message to the public, do not try and arrest someone wearing an apparent suicide vest, keep away from them as they will be treated as an immediate threat to life and they will be shot.
I'm not sure where you're getting that from. They held him until the police arrived, presumably pinning him down so he couldn't either run away, set off a putative suicide vest, or whatever.
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What do these knife terrorists want or what is their theme?
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What do these knife terrorists want or what is their theme?
They want the same crap that they didn't get on all the previous occasions. They never learn.
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The attacks in Western Europe in recent years have echoed what has happened elsewhere for a long time. Soft targets like markets, shopping centres or places of entertainment where large crowds are gathered and which are lightly defended are far easier to be successful than targeting a military base or political establishment, and generate lots of publicity.
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What do these knife terrorists want or what is their theme?
Mindless copycatism.
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I was channel hopping on the car radio just after this happened and I heard that the “suicide vest” was only apparent under the terrorist’s coat after he was restrained. Think it was on LBC Radio, anyway, the video of him being shot is consistent with that account imo.
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BBC says this guy was a former prisoner.
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Now being reported that one of the members of the public that helped was a convicted murderer on day release.

ETA. It seems they are looking into links with a prisoners rehabilitation conference that was taking place nearby.

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In one of the stranger moments in this tragic incident, on of those who tackled the attacker appears to have used a narwhal tusk, appropriated from the nearby Fishmongers Hall, where events seem to have started.
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Now being reported that one of the members of the public that helped was a convicted murderer on day release.

ETA. It seems they are looking into links with a prisoners rehabilitation conference that was taking place nearby.
Strangely, it would appear the prisoners at this Prisoners Rehabilitation conference run by Cambridge University at Fishmongers Hall were still electronically tagged and it would appear four of the guys who jumped on the guy were themselves 'rehabilitated <ahem> prisoners' one of whom is identified as James Ford, murderer. The knifeman seems to a stabbed people outside Bank station near Fishmongers Hall and I gather the other rehab prisoners chased after him with an narwhal tusk nicked from the hall and a fire extinguisher, also 'borrowed'.

There is something ironic in this and reminds me of the film Con Air about a bunch of convicts on an aeroplane.
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The narwhal tusk is epic. It will be the new meme.
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It's not really a narwhal tusk. It's a unicorn!
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The attacks in Western Europe in recent years have echoed what has happened elsewhere for a long time. Soft targets like markets, shopping centres or places of entertainment where large crowds are gathered and which are lightly defended are far easier to be successful than targeting a military base or political establishment, and generate lots of publicity.
So pretty much the same as mass shootings in America, then.
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I'm not sure where you're getting that from. They held him until the police arrived, presumably pinning him down so he couldn't either run away, set off a putative suicide vest, or whatever.
I get that from the numerous videos of the incident. Members of the public go for the male with a fire extinguisher and what has been described as a narwhal tusk!? They get him on to the ground. Another is seen walking with the knife in his hand, so he appears to have disarmed the male of his knife. There is another who has the male pinned to the ground who the police have to pull off.

They were still struggling, but he was not going anywhere and crucially, his supposed suicide vest had not gone off.

Yet the police just shoot him. They make no attempt to assist with the restraint, using cuffs and fast straps that once applied means the male is not going anywhere and is under full control.

It very much appears that from Jean Charles De Menezes, the instruction for armed police is that if they just think someone maybe has an explosive, do not even try an effect an arrest, shoot them dead.

The public needs to be made fully aware of police tactics and not to tackle those who may have explosives as the police want to shoot them dead asap.
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Lots of criticism that the attacker had a terror conviction and was released on licence;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50610215

But, one of the people who helped stop the attack, was also apparently a murderer released on licence!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/104544...terror-attack/
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