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Old 9th December 2019, 08:13 AM   #41
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The GOP has been rocketing down this path at least since the 1980 presidential campaign. Remember that Reagan used Treason to help win that race with the October Surprise.

America has to face the fact that our democracy has been under systemic attack for the last 40 years by disloyal elements at home colluding with foreign enemies abroad.
At least I got a laugh out of this thread.
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Old 14th December 2019, 11:34 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Yes it's the obvious but maybe seeing examples of the playbook modeled it will make sense why it needs to be learned and countered.
That video was an absolutely joke. The narrator talked in broad generalities but never gave any real specifics.

He stated, "The goal of debate is to arrive at the Truth." Okay, but the modern day Left doesn't do this. How long can the Left debate someone on the Right without calling them a pejorative name? Racist, Sexist, Xenophobic, white supremacist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi, Fascist etc. If there was a debate structured where Liberals were not allowed to use these terms how long would the debate last?

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I see that alt-right has become the new term for "Republicans I don't like," replacing the neocons.
What is the most accurate definition of a neo-con?

Neo-cons: A criminal gang dedicated to political terror to achieve revolutionary ends.

Alt-Right: People who ask thorny questions on the internet.

It is interesting to note that many on the Left love the old neo-cons today. They lionize people like Max Boot, Bill Kristol and David Frum. So what is the difference between the Neo-cons and Alt-Right?

Neo-cons commit war crimes.
The Alt-Right commits thought crimes.

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No. no. Alt-right are white supremacists for the most part, Trump minions for the most part and fully into alternative facts.

Neocons are like the Bush Cheney variety, eager to use military might around the world.

Regular Republicans still exist like George Will and a few others who recognize the alt-right are not Republicans in the true sense.

[Oversimplified a bit if anyone has complaints about my descriptions.]
Ha! You just proved my point. The Left cannot go one paragraph without using the term "white supremacist" when talking about the Alt-Right. If you actually had to debate their points without calling them names could you do it?

A debate format know as "Internet Blood Sports" was popular back in 2017 and early 2018. People from across the political spectrum(Alt-right to Antifa) would get together and debate. The debates would go on for hours sometimes. You didn't have to worry about commercial interruptions, speech codes, or convoluted flattery. People's statements could not be selectively edited and taken out of context like on network television. It was the MMA of debate. The best ones were organized by Andy Warski and included such luminaries as JF Gariepy, Richard Spencer, Sargon of Akkad, RooshV, Lauren Southern, and Tara McCarthy. But eventually they became too popular and too many Alt-Right ideas were getting out to the public. So Youtube had to come in and start shutting it down.

The modern Left does not favor debate. They favor censorship. The high-tech commissars of Silicon Valley don't want the Truth to get out.
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Originally Posted by tanabear View Post
That video was an absolutely joke. The narrator talked in broad generalities but never gave any real specifics.

He stated, "The goal of debate is to arrive at the Truth." Okay, but the modern day Left doesn't do this. How long can the Left debate someone on the Right without calling them a pejorative name? Racist, Sexist, Xenophobic, white supremacist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi, Fascist etc. If there was a debate structured where Liberals were not allowed to use these terms how long would the debate last?



What is the most accurate definition of a neo-con?

Neo-cons: A criminal gang dedicated to political terror to achieve revolutionary ends.

Alt-Right: People who ask thorny questions on the internet.

It is interesting to note that many on the Left love the old neo-cons today. They lionize people like Max Boot, Bill Kristol and David Frum. So what is the difference between the Neo-cons and Alt-Right?

Neo-cons commit war crimes.
The Alt-Right commits thought crimes.



Ha! You just proved my point. The Left cannot go one paragraph without using the term "white supremacist" when talking about the Alt-Right. If you actually had to debate their points without calling them names could you do it?

A debate format know as "Internet Blood Sports" was popular back in 2017 and early 2018. People from across the political spectrum(Alt-right to Antifa) would get together and debate. The debates would go on for hours sometimes. You didn't have to worry about commercial interruptions, speech codes, or convoluted flattery. People's statements could not be selectively edited and taken out of context like on network television. It was the MMA of debate. The best ones were organized by Andy Warski and included such luminaries as JF Gariepy, Richard Spencer, Sargon of Akkad, RooshV, Lauren Southern, and Tara McCarthy. But eventually they became too popular and too many Alt-Right ideas were getting out to the public. So Youtube had to come in and start shutting it down.

The modern Left does not favor debate. They favor censorship. The high-tech commissars of Silicon Valley don't want the Truth to get out.
The sewer from Which the Alt Right Sprang.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47173...lip-jones-2006
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The sewer from Which the Alt Right Sprang.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47173...lip-jones-2006
I'm confused, it says CSPAN and not made by CSPAN?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I'm confused, it says CSPAN and not made by CSPAN?
Long ago C-Span tried to compete with YouTube and MsNBC.
It was a user posted video and their are others.
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Maybe we should implement the ideas of the topic of this thread and not engage with the alt-righter?
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Long ago C-Span tried to compete with YouTube and MsNBC.
It was a user posted video and their are others.
I don't know what you are talking about, do you?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Yes it's the obvious but maybe seeing examples of the playbook modeled it will make sense why it needs to be learned and countered.
Love this series so much... Glad i'm not the only one on here that follows this series.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
I see that alt-right has become the new term for "Republicans I don't like," replacing the neocons.
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Ha! You just proved my point. The Left cannot go one paragraph without using the term "white supremacist" when talking about the Alt-Right. If you actually had to debate their points without calling them names could you do it?

A debate format know as "Internet Blood Sports" was popular back in 2017 and early 2018. People from across the political spectrum(Alt-right to Antifa) would get together and debate. The debates would go on for hours sometimes. You didn't have to worry about commercial interruptions, speech codes, or convoluted flattery. People's statements could not be selectively edited and taken out of context like on network television. It was the MMA of debate. The best ones were organized by Andy Warski and included such luminaries as JF Gariepy, Richard Spencer, Sargon of Akkad, RooshV, Lauren Southern, and Tara McCarthy. But eventually they became too popular and too many Alt-Right ideas were getting out to the public. So Youtube had to come in and start shutting it down.

The modern Left does not favor debate. They favor censorship. The high-tech commissars of Silicon Valley don't want the Truth to get out.
The irony being the alt-right are literal white supremacist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcoYKuoiUrY&t=1556s

Watch this video on the alt-right Charlottesville rally (which the tiki torch march was part of). They're literally flaming racist..
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The irony being the alt-right are literal white supremacist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcoYKuoiUrY&t=1556s

Watch this video on the alt-right Charlottesville rally (which the tiki torch march was part of). They're literally flaming racist..
Yes they are that's why they were Birthers, they fear they are being out Breed, because their Cousin will not Marry them anymore.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I don't know what you are talking about, do you?
C-SPAN offered a video hosting service simular to YouTube.
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Originally Posted by tanabear View Post
That video was an absolutely joke. The narrator talked in broad generalities but never gave any real specifics.

He stated, "The goal of debate is to arrive at the Truth." Okay, but the modern day Left doesn't do this. How long can the Left debate someone on the Right without calling them a pejorative name? Racist, Sexist, Xenophobic, white supremacist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi, Fascist etc. If there was a debate structured where Liberals were not allowed to use these terms how long would the debate last?



What is the most accurate definition of a neo-con?

Neo-cons: A criminal gang dedicated to political terror to achieve revolutionary ends.

Alt-Right: People who ask thorny questions on the internet.

It is interesting to note that many on the Left love the old neo-cons today. They lionize people like Max Boot, Bill Kristol and David Frum. So what is the difference between the Neo-cons and Alt-Right?

Neo-cons commit war crimes.
The Alt-Right commits thought crimes.



Ha! You just proved my point. The Left cannot go one paragraph without using the term "white supremacist" when talking about the Alt-Right. If you actually had to debate their points without calling them names could you do it?

A debate format know as "Internet Blood Sports" was popular back in 2017 and early 2018. People from across the political spectrum(Alt-right to Antifa) would get together and debate. The debates would go on for hours sometimes. You didn't have to worry about commercial interruptions, speech codes, or convoluted flattery. People's statements could not be selectively edited and taken out of context like on network television. It was the MMA of debate. The best ones were organized by Andy Warski and included such luminaries as JF Gariepy, Richard Spencer, Sargon of Akkad, RooshV, Lauren Southern, and Tara McCarthy. But eventually they became too popular and too many Alt-Right ideas were getting out to the public. So Youtube had to come in and start shutting it down.

The modern Left does not favor debate. They favor censorship. The high-tech commissars of Silicon Valley don't want the Truth to get out.
Another classic alt-right tactic is to say the most dangerous, hateful, and socially destructive things possible and, when called out on it, wrap themselves piously in the flag of "free speech" and play the victim.
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Another classic alt-right tactic is to say the most dangerous, hateful, and socially destructive things possible and, when called out on it, wrap themselves piously in the flag of "free speech" and play the victim.
Yes and they have people in the Media who Support and defend them, case in point Sean Hannity, who knew that Jerome Corsi was a Racist 9/11No Planer, before he had him on his show promoting Birtherism, and The MinuteMan Movement.
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The alt-right and their defenders are ideological freeloaders: they pretend they have ideals but never actually articulate them because it would "reveal their power level".
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The alt-right and their defenders are ideological freeloaders: they pretend they have ideals but never actually articulate them because it would "reveal their power level".
Exactly and they lie, case in point is Sean Hannity who knew that Corsi abandoned the Truth Movement only 3 days before his 9/11Book was set to go into promotion,
He only abandoned it because I told him it would cost him not make him Money.
So Corsi knowing Dr. Greening debunked it a month earlier Dropped It and wrote Obama Nation. Obama Nation started the Birtherism movement that strengthen the Alt Right and lead to the Rise in Trumpsters popularity.
Hannity Knew all about this because I sent him a Letter and an Email including my full Conversations with Corsi.
It waa shortly after this that an internet group of Birther Republicans began Harassing and attacking me.
So I went off line and stayed away from public view.
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The sewer from Which the Alt Right Sprang.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c47173...lip-jones-2006
That is a video of Alex Jones giving a speech back in 2006 regarding the 9/11 attacks. I see that physicist Steven Jones is on the panel. He wrote some of the first important papers questioning the official story of how the towers collapsed. The majority of the people involved in 9/11 Truth are on the political left. It would seem strange that the Alt-Right emerged from a political movement dominated by the Left. This is not where the Alt-Right came from.

The term "Alt-Right" or "Alternative Right" was first used by Paul Gottfried in a speech he gave in 2008. Richard Spencer later used that term when he launched his own website. The Alt-Right originally described conservatives who dissented from the policies of Conservatism Inc, that is the Bush Administration. It was from conservatives who opposed from the Iraq War from the get-go who then became today's Alt-Right. Yes, the Alt-Right, the one political movement that has been opposed to war and foreign military intervention, became the most reviled political movement in America.

Andrew Marantz who wrote the book, Antisocial: Online Extremists, Techno-Utopians, and the Hijacking of the American Conversation, interviewed Steve Sailer for his book regarding the Alt-Right. Steve Sailer wrote,

For example, when I spoke to Marantz for several hours in 2017 over the phone, my impression was that he was most disappointed by my answer to his question about which historical event was the dividing point between establishment and antiestablishment conservatives

I answered: “The Iraq War.”

Bush’s decision to invade Iraq for no good reason was when conservatives distinctly divided up over the administration’s grand strategy of Invade the World/Invite the World into the triumphant globalists versus the despised nationalists. For example, The American Conservative magazine was founded in 2002 by Taki, Pat Buchanan, and Scott McConnell, with me as movie reviewer, to oppose Bush’s horrible plan for war.


Conservatives opposed to the Iraq War became today's Alt-Right. They were also the biggest critics of Trump's bombing of Syria and actually took to the streets to protest it. Yet the people strongly opposed to invading other countries and other forms of military intervention get stuck with the moniker of "Nazi". It is strange that all the warmongers in both parties never get called "Nazi."

p.s. World Trade Tower 7 was a controlled demolition.

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The irony being the alt-right are literal white supremacist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcoYKuoiUrY&t=1556s

Watch this video on the alt-right Charlottesville rally (which the tiki torch march was part of). They're literally flaming racist..
Once again, "racist" is just a term used by the Cult of Diversity to indicate a heretic. Do you know that their ideas and beliefs are objectively false?

Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
Another classic alt-right tactic is to say the most dangerous, hateful, and socially destructive things possible and, when called out on it, wrap themselves piously in the flag of "free speech" and play the victim.
They are only "dangerous" to police-state liberals(i.e. commissars) who maintain their power and influence by lying all the time about absolutely everything. We know why the Left uses physical violence to shut down conservatives from speaking. Because all Leftist "ideas" are BS and they wouldn't last a minute in an open and fair debate.

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The alt-right and their defenders are ideological freeloaders: they pretend they have ideals but never actually articulate them because it would "reveal their power level".
Huh? Those on the dissident Right aren't shy in expressing their opinions. You can watch Richard Spencer talk about the origins of the Alt-Right and what it is about.
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That is a video of Alex Jones giving a speech back in 2006 regarding the 9/11 attacks. I see that physicist Steven Jones is on the panel. He wrote some of the first important papers questioning the official story of how the towers collapsed. The majority of the people involved in 9/11 Truth are on the political left. It would seem strange that the Alt-Right emerged from a political movement dominated by the Left. This is not where the Alt-Right came from.

The term "Alt-Right" or "Alternative Right" was first used by Paul Gottfried in a speech he gave in 2008. Richard Spencer later used that term when he launched his own website. The Alt-Right originally described conservatives who dissented from the policies of Conservatism Inc, that is the Bush Administration. It was from conservatives who opposed from the Iraq War from the get-go who then became today's Alt-Right. Yes, the Alt-Right, the one political movement that has been opposed to war and foreign military intervention, became the most reviled political movement in America.

Andrew Marantz who wrote the book, Antisocial: Online Extremists, Techno-Utopians, and the Hijacking of the American Conversation, interviewed Steve Sailer for his book regarding the Alt-Right. Steve Sailer wrote,

For example, when I spoke to Marantz for several hours in 2017 over the phone, my impression was that he was most disappointed by my answer to his question about which historical event was the dividing point between establishment and antiestablishment conservatives

I answered: “The Iraq War.”

Bush’s decision to invade Iraq for no good reason was when conservatives distinctly divided up over the administration’s grand strategy of Invade the World/Invite the World into the triumphant globalists versus the despised nationalists. For example, The American Conservative magazine was founded in 2002 by Taki, Pat Buchanan, and Scott McConnell, with me as movie reviewer, to oppose Bush’s horrible plan for war.


Conservatives opposed to the Iraq War became today's Alt-Right. They were also the biggest critics of Trump's bombing of Syria and actually took to the streets to protest it. Yet the people strongly opposed to invading other countries and other forms of military intervention get stuck with the moniker of "Nazi". It is strange that all the warmongers in both parties never get called "Nazi."

p.s. World Trade Tower 7 was a controlled demolition.



Once again, "racist" is just a term used by the Cult of Diversity to indicate a heretic. Do you know that their ideas and beliefs are objectively false?



They are only "dangerous" to police-state liberals(i.e. commissars) who maintain their power and influence by lying all the time about absolutely everything. We know why the Left uses physical violence to shut down conservatives from speaking. Because all Leftist "ideas" are BS and they wouldn't last a minute in an open and fair debate.



Huh? Those on the dissident Right aren't shy in expressing their opinions. You can watch Richard Spencer talk about the origins of the Alt-Right and what it is about.
Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones are the founders of the Alt Right, not Richard Spencer, and Dr. Steven E Jones wrote nothing Note worthy or Important.
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Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones are the founders of the Alt Right, not Richard Spencer, and Dr. Steven E Jones wrote nothing Note worthy or Important.
I'm slipping back into my 4chan days, but... let's just not feed the troll, for once.
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Once again, "racist" is just a term used by the Cult of Diversity to indicate a heretic. Do you know that their ideas and beliefs are objectively false?
Ok i see what you're doing. You admit they're nazi's but you think the nazi's a force for good. Ok... Welp no sense in entertaining your beliefs.
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Ok i see what you're doing. You admit they're nazi's but you think the nazi's a force for good. Ok... Welp no sense in entertaining your beliefs.
They have been fear Mongering Nazis since the early MinuteMan Movement, and it's all because of Antimuslim Propoganda!
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That is a video of Alex Jones giving a speech back in 2006 regarding the 9/11 attacks. I see that physicist Steven Jones is on the panel. He wrote some of the first important papers questioning the official story of how the towers collapsed. The majority of the people involved in 9/11 Truth are on the political left. It would seem strange that the Alt-Right emerged from a political movement dominated by the Left. This is not where the Alt-Right came from.

The term "Alt-Right" or "Alternative Right" was first used by Paul Gottfried in a speech he gave in 2008. Richard Spencer later used that term when he launched his own website. The Alt-Right originally described conservatives who dissented from the policies of Conservatism Inc, that is the Bush Administration. It was from conservatives who opposed from the Iraq War from the get-go who then became today's Alt-Right. Yes, the Alt-Right, the one political movement that has been opposed to war and foreign military intervention, became the most reviled political movement in America.

Andrew Marantz who wrote the book, Antisocial: Online Extremists, Techno-Utopians, and the Hijacking of the American Conversation, interviewed Steve Sailer for his book regarding the Alt-Right. Steve Sailer wrote,

For example, when I spoke to Marantz for several hours in 2017 over the phone, my impression was that he was most disappointed by my answer to his question about which historical event was the dividing point between establishment and antiestablishment conservatives

I answered: “The Iraq War.”

Bush’s decision to invade Iraq for no good reason was when conservatives distinctly divided up over the administration’s grand strategy of Invade the World/Invite the World into the triumphant globalists versus the despised nationalists. For example, The American Conservative magazine was founded in 2002 by Taki, Pat Buchanan, and Scott McConnell, with me as movie reviewer, to oppose Bush’s horrible plan for war.


Conservatives opposed to the Iraq War became today's Alt-Right. They were also the biggest critics of Trump's bombing of Syria and actually took to the streets to protest it. Yet the people strongly opposed to invading other countries and other forms of military intervention get stuck with the moniker of "Nazi". It is strange that all the warmongers in both parties never get called "Nazi."

p.s. World Trade Tower 7 was a controlled demolition.



Once again, "racist" is just a term used by the Cult of Diversity to indicate a heretic. Do you know that their ideas and beliefs are objectively false?



They are only "dangerous" to police-state liberals(i.e. commissars) who maintain their power and influence by lying all the time about absolutely everything. We know why the Left uses physical violence to shut down conservatives from speaking. Because all Leftist "ideas" are BS and they wouldn't last a minute in an open and fair debate.



Huh? Those on the dissident Right aren't shy in expressing their opinions. You can watch Richard Spencer talk about the origins of the Alt-Right and what it is about.
People's Exhibit #1 as to why this forum needs to police itself better.

"Skeptics" my a**!
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Old 16th December 2019, 05:57 AM   #62
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People's Exhibit #1 as to why this forum needs to police itself better.

"Skeptics" my a**!
The Alt Right is basically the Out growth on the Libertarians, combined with the anti Imigrant fear Mongering after 9/11/2001.
Those with a History on this forum watched it spring up from 2006_2008 Ourselves from the ashes of the 9/11Truth movement after they were first debunked By Dr. Frank Greening. All that energy had to go somewhere.
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I'm slipping back into my 4chan days, but... let's just not feed the troll, for once.
I feel like this needs to be emphasized
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Old 16th December 2019, 12:30 PM   #64
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People's Exhibit #1 as to why this forum needs to police itself better.

"Skeptics" my a**!
On a forum this size you're bound to get the occasional white supremacist posing as a skeptic I suppose.
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On a forum this size you're bound to get the occasional white supremacist posing as a skeptic I suppose.
My point is that the only way to keep a forum healthy is to identify, isolate and ban trolls.
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My point is that the only way to keep a forum healthy is to identify, isolate and ban trolls.
I just put them on ignore.
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Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones are the founders of the Alt Right, not Richard Spencer, and Dr. Steven E Jones wrote nothing Note worthy or Important.
Has Alex Jones ever referred to himself as part of the Alt-Right? I believe that Hillary Clinton in her "Alt-Right" speech identified him as their leader, but I'm not sure if he has ever stated that himself. The video you linked to was from 2006 and that was before the term "alt-right" was even coined. I don't know enough about Jerome Corsi to say either way.

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Ok i see what you're doing. You admit they're nazi's but you think the nazi's a force for good. Ok... Welp no sense in entertaining your beliefs.
No, that is not what I'm saying. I mentioned that the Alt-Right and its precursors have been opposed to every major war and foreign military intervention this century. The Nazis were not known for their non-interventionist foreign policy. It is ironic that the one political movement that has been consistently opposed to war, whether it be under Bush II, Obama or Trump, gets labeled as "Nazis", while warmongers(e.g. John McCain) never get that appellation.

But what is really going on here? Before Hitler and the Nazis if you wanted to smear your enemy or political opponent who did you compare him too? Attila the Hun. In fact, you will sometimes still hear the phrase, “To the right of Attila the Hun.” This is not a reference to the historical Attila, but to a caricature that has been created around him. When people are called "Nazis" today it is not a reference to the real NSDAP that ruled Germany, but to a caricature that has been created. "Nazi", "Racist", "Fascist" are just smear words used to describe the non-Woke.

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People's Exhibit #1 as to why this forum needs to police itself better.

"Skeptics" my a**!
Why? Are too many thought crimes being committed. Do the Thought Police need to step in?

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The Alt Right is basically the Out growth on the Libertarians, combined with the anti Imigrant fear Mongering after 9/11/2001.
Those with a History on this forum watched it spring up from 2006_2008 Ourselves from the ashes of the 9/11Truth movement after they were first debunked By Dr. Frank Greening. All that energy had to go somewhere.
There are some on the Alt-Right who are fans of economist Murray Rothbard. A portion of the Paleo-libertarians did morph into the Alt-Right.

p.s. Frank Greening didn't debunk anything, except maybe NIST's report on WTC7.

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On a forum this size you're bound to get the occasional white supremacist posing as a skeptic I suppose.
My political viewpoints are probably more in agreement with David Hume's political philosophy than anyone else on these forums. But David Hume is a "Nazi" or a "white supremacist" by today's standards.
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Got it.
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C-SPAN offered a video hosting service simular to YouTube.
And?

How does that relate to anything in this thread?
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Jerome Corsi and Alex Jones are the founders of the Alt Right, not Richard Spencer, and Dr. Steven E Jones wrote nothing Note worthy or Important.
The alt-right is much, much bigger than Infowars conspiracy theories. And its roots go back further than Alex Jones' nonsense.
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No, that is not what I'm saying. I mentioned that the Alt-Right and its precursors have been opposed to every major war and foreign military intervention this century. The Nazis were not known for their non-interventionist foreign policy. It is ironic that the one political movement that has been consistently opposed to war, whether it be under Bush II, Obama or Trump, gets labeled as "Nazis", while warmongers(e.g. John McCain) never get that appellation.

But what is really going on here? Before Hitler and the Nazis if you wanted to smear your enemy or political opponent who did you compare him too? Attila the Hun. In fact, you will sometimes still hear the phrase, “To the right of Attila the Hun.” This is not a reference to the historical Attila, but to a caricature that has been created around him. When people are called "Nazis" today it is not a reference to the real NSDAP that ruled Germany, but to a caricature that has been created. "Nazi", "Racist", "Fascist" are just smear words used to describe the non-Woke.
I appreciate your commentary but you're wasting your time. Watch the video I linked you to, Many of these alt-righters are literal nazi flag waving, Hitler saluting neo-nazis.
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I appreciate your commentary but you're wasting your time. Watch the video I linked you to, Many of these alt-righters are literal nazi flag waving, Hitler saluting neo-nazis.
Seriously, don't. It is exactly the kind of dishonest debate tactic that the series this thread is about was trying to highlight.
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Seriously, don't. It is exactly the kind of dishonest debate tactic that the series this thread is about was trying to highlight.
Don't worry i was really being facetious lol..
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
C-SPAN offered a video hosting service simular to YouTube.
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And?

How does that relate to anything in this thread?
He was answering the question you asked about the video.

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I'm confused, it says CSPAN and not made by CSPAN?
Does this help?


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I'm confused, it says CSPAN and not made by CSPAN?
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Long ago C-Span tried to compete with YouTube and MsNBC.
It was a user posted video and their are others.
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I don't know what you are talking about, do you?

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Originally Posted by uke2se
Seriously, don't. It is exactly the kind of dishonest debate tactic that the series this thread is about was trying to highlight.
Don't worry i was really being facetious lol..
Unlike you, I really do appreciate tanabear's commentary. What would this thread be without it? No serious debate, just an echo chamber full of 'skeptics' agreeing with each other. Even if you think his position is 'indefensible' it is still an essential element of good debate. If it wasn't for posts like his, some of us might be forced to play devil's advocate just to keep the thread going!

Some posters in this forum are dishonest debaters or even outright trolls - but not tanabear. I think he truly believes that he has valid points to make. So you should thank him for being brave enough to come in here and make arguments that he knows will be savaged, and we should value them for giving us an opportunity to respond - even if just to hone our debating skills.
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Unlike you, I really do appreciate tanabear's commentary. What would this thread be without it? No serious debate, just an echo chamber full of 'skeptics' agreeing with each other. Even if you think his position is 'indefensible' it is still an essential element of good debate. If it wasn't for posts like his, some of us might be forced to play devil's advocate just to keep the thread going!

Some posters in this forum are dishonest debaters or even outright trolls - but not tanabear. I think he truly believes that he has valid points to make. So you should thank him for being brave enough to come in here and make arguments that he knows will be savaged, and we should value them for giving us an opportunity to respond - even if just to hone our debating skills.
You are kind of missing the point of the video-series in the OP. The point is, yes, tanabear probably believes the crap he spews, or some of it anyway. He's here to proselytize. By engaging him we are providing him with a platform, so we shouldn't do that. We should instead all agree that Nazism, white supremacism and all the other crap people like tanabear spews are bad, because as good skeptics we have ample evidence for that being so.

There is no reason in keeping a debate going just because. There is no benefit to listening to hateful people spread hate in the name of "free speech". In fact, that is directly harmful.

This thread is specifically about a video-series that analyzes and discusses the tactics of the extreme right, particularly in the online space. It's not a place for tanabear to spew crap, nor is a place to engage his views. Thus, not only is doing so directly harmful, but also off-topic.
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He was answering the question you asked about the video.

Does this help?
I appreciate your sharing the POV that makes sense to both of you. Yes that does help. There was distracting clutter in the answer.

Who cares CSPAN competed with YouTube in the past?
Quote:
Long ago C-Span tried to compete with YouTube and MsNBC.
It was a user posted video and their are others.
If he'd just said the highlighted, it would have been a lot clearer. Then I could have gone back and found: "User Clip: Jones 2006"

Thanks to both of you.
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I'd like to thank Brainster and Tanabear for providing real life examples of alt-right "debate" strategy.
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Unlike you, I really do appreciate tanabear's commentary. What would this thread be without it? No serious debate, just an echo chamber full of 'skeptics' agreeing with each other. Even if you think his position is 'indefensible' it is still an essential element of good debate. If it wasn't for posts like his, some of us might be forced to play devil's advocate just to keep the thread going!

Some posters in this forum are dishonest debaters or even outright trolls - but not tanabear. I think he truly believes that he has valid points to make. So you should thank him for being brave enough to come in here and make arguments that he knows will be savaged, and we should value them for giving us an opportunity to respond - even if just to hone our debating skills.
So? Even if he truly believes what he says, that doesn't make his rants valuable contributions. How is he any more worthy of a response than the dude on the train with tinfoil on his head and his underwear on the outside of his pants yelling about the lizard people beaming signals into our brains through PBS? Or would you talk to that person to "hone your debating skills".

You improve a skills by taking bigger challenges. Not by running the same course since 2001 and calling it victory.
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About the 9/11 Truthers. I always thought that once you step into the circle of whackadoodle conspiracy theories you have stepped off the liberal/conservative spectrum.
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