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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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I was under the impression that the only requirement for someone to declare candidacy was the support of a certain number of MPs, and not necessarily that the candidate was an MP themselves. As I said before, I absolutely agree that all the main parties in the present day would stand for nothing less than their leader being an MP. And if indeed in a Conservative election contest a member of the Lords were allowed to stand (with the support of a certain required number of MPs), then that candidate would certainly at the very least have to declare that he/she would immediately renounce their peerage if elected, and seek a (safe Conservative) seat in the Commons via a resignation and by-election. |
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"The election takes place in two stages. In the first stage (shortlisting), Conservative MPs put their own names forward. In the 2019 leadership election candidates will need the support of eight MPs (proposer, seconder and six others) to stand. In the 2016 leadership election, candidates only needed the nominations of two other MPs."
Last happened in 1963 (Alec Douglas-Home) but couldn't happen now. The shortlisting phase would be delayed, for a start, by the holding of the bye-election, and other candidates would be screaming blue murder. It's certainly not something that a candidate in the Lords could stage manage themselves. |
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Like I already said somewhere - Emily Thornberry for the gig. She typifies everything wrong with politicians generally and Labour in particular - a gobby, self-serving careerist (a "North London Champagne Socialist", literally). Was a lawyer and barrister (like so many others of recent times), a "human rights" barrister to be precise, which is to law what 'gender studies' professors are to higher education.
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Here's Corbyn's new year's eve message:
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We would be a lot safer if the Government would take its money out of science and put it into astrology and the reading of palms. Only in superstition is there hope. - Kurt Vonnegut Jr And no, Cuba is not a brutal and corrupt dictatorship, and it's definitely less so than Sweden. - dann |
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I've said it before, in this thread and others, my experience of Labour Party membership for the better part of 25 years starting in the early 80s was there were, and likely still are, a sizeable number of members for whom electoral failure is a clear indication that the policies are right on the money.
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they need to choose someone the media can't attach lazy labels to, red ed hurt miliband while corbyn encouraged kremlin, comrade and commie and got dry humped twice.
kremlin/komrade/kommie keir hardie starmer is probably a non starter, rebecca wrong bailey would catch on, communist clive lewis is a likely headline, im guessing it would be red jess phillips. just leaves lisa nandy, red lisa sounds like a really bad eighties arnie film, communist and politburo doesn't really fit, nandos maybe? need to leave slim pickens for the rags. |
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A poll of Labour party members makes Keir Starmer the hot favourite. Good.
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https://www.change.org/p/jeremy-corb...rbyn-as-leader
(Petition to keep Corbyn as leader) (Wonder how many conservatives are signing?) |
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What part of " the guy led Labor to one of it's worst defeats ever against a very unpopoular Tory leader" don't these nimrods get? And is does not really matter, in the end, why COrbyn is so unpopular, fact remains he IS unpopular, and needs to replaced for not other reason then that. Politics is a cold business. I have no doubt the Tory press smeared Corbyn, but from all I have read the guy made it easy for them to do so with his blunders. It's like keeping the captian of the ship in control after he has ran the ship into an iceberg.... |
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A couple of times I've heard Labour people say "but we won the argument". Which is like pissing yourself wearing dark trousers. You might get a warm feeling but not many people notice.
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THIS.THIS.THIS.
Problem with hard core ideologues and blind partisans is they just cannot admit that one reason they lost is because their side made a lot of mistakes. I still love the whole "We should keep Corbyn as leader because the Tory Press said a lot of nasty things about him" argument. Damaged goods are damaged goods no matter how they got demaged and you get rid of them. And from the comments on the keep Corbyn petition page you have a personality cult thing going. |
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Andrew Adonis thinks the cause of so many bad leaders, is the way they are elected:
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This makes sense, as the likes of Corbyn attract cult status among the members, but not much else. Maybe its time to redesign the system. |
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Yup, and remember Corbyn only looked good in 2017 relative to Theresa Strong-n-stable May, one of the most hapless and least charismatic leaders of any major party. He still managed to get fewer votes than her, but after a couple of years, his perceived performance had fallen further.
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Yup - just because Corbyn lost to an incompetent buffoon, it's no reason to go for another one. Johnson's work ethic and attention to detail is likely to land him in hot water and pretending that Brexit is a good idea is something that will age really badly. Far better to be able to say that you opposed and tried to mitigate it rather than end up tainted with the inevitable disaster.
I have often thought that Corbyn likes the luxury of ineffectually attacking something really bad rather than actually trying to fix it. Yup |
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