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"It is an effective ad" is not a statement of opinion, it is an assertion.
"I like the ad, it made me feel good/hopeful/inspired." That's an opinion. But you are mightily versed in media stuff(tm), so I clearly didn't need to explain that difference. My apologies. |
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If by credentials you mean 14 years of posting here about campaign marketing, narratives, framing, persuasion and propaganda, then yep, I was citing that.
I'm not sure why a few people here would rather complain how dissatisfied they were with a particular person's statement about the effectiveness of Bloomberg's ads than they might be interested is simply giving their own opinion/observations of the ads. Do people want to discuss me, or the ads? |
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Ok, maybe some visual aids will help so we can all have a common frame of reference.
Here's Judge Judy (yes that one) reading a punchy bullet-list of focus group pablum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bITEVXwHtI Here's the bootstrapping job creator who will "rebuild America": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_1T_xPpAwo This one had potential when I saw the exposition style, but they took the powerful devices of that style and the goal given is "defeat Trump": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmNiDCSofoc Not a fan of the "Rebuild America" branding, not even a little bit. It strikes me as "MAGA lite." Enough with the damn boomers telling us we need to go back to their happy time. Good lord, that took 10 minutes. I'm exhausted! |
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Based on my non-expert assessment of Bloomberg's ads over the past two weeks he's putting out some great looking ads.
It's those good producers paid big money. |
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Was that discussed in the ad?
Because if not, then you still aren't discussing the ad.
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I actually don't have a TV (solely because I wouldn't use it), so I can only say that I haven't seen any on the other TVs that are on when I'm near them. Otherwise, I think that the ad that you just poked at was a good ad.
To poke elsewhere... Biden: McConnell will become "Mildly Cooperative" if I'm elected If he actually believes that despite the evidence at hand, well... he really, really isn't getting my primary vote. Not that that's changed, of course, but declaring faith in a guy who's shown profusely that he's untrustworthy and hostile sure looks like the epitomy of stupidity, to me. I think that I would take Bloomberg over him in a heartbeat, especially right after that ad. |
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Perfect example of Grandpa Biden's failure to grasp the situation we are dealing with.
And he frequently says "I can do it because I've done it before" but what he's talking about is akin to saying vote for me and the good old days will be back. Compare that to Bloomberg describing his leadership accomplishments when he says he can accomplish a lot of things as POTUS. Steyer cites being successful but he doesn't have the kind of experience to list like Bloomberg does. Keep in mind, he's probably padding that resumé and leaving out the bad. |
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Also here's a brilliant ad by Bernie Sanders.
Very brief and sharp; 30 seconds to make his point; 20 second to get to the punchline. Minimal stock footage and filler, all stuff from his rallies and "real Americans" shown next to him.
Very nice production in the footage below. Zooming in to emphasize people's faces and facial expressions. It's contagious and his campaign knows it.
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Who has come out with a statement regarding Iran? I saw Pete and Biden were fairly lukewarm. Warren did better and Bernie was pretty forceful.
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So, we're just round and round with this?
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I suppose that's true. Political ads do have a relatively short shelf life compared to the products and services that I have experience with. Perhaps it's more of a constant churn and you never need to perfect a flawed ad, as you've already moved on by that time.
I hope that Mayor Bloomberg is going to optimize his Super Bowl ad like a consumer product would; that's a big stage for a :60 ad. Anecdote alert - mrs. carlito, a Republican / swing voter, wants to learn more about Tom Steyer after seeing his ads in Nevada and Illinois. |
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Broaden the issues?
What hasn't he covered publicly that any of the candidates have? racial equality/equity - check global warming (which he calls the greatest crisis of this era) - check income inequality - check universal healthcare - check education - check foreign policy - check voting rights - check women's rights - check |
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Nate Silver is out with his projected chances of who will win the majority of delegates:
Biden: 40% Sanders: 22% Nobody: 14% Warren: 12% Buttigieg: 10% Field: 2% Kind of surprised to see that Nobody in there; we haven't had a contested convention in years. |
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Steyer qualifies for Tuesday's debate in Iowa with a pair of surprising early state polls:
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This is odd:
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I'm still vacillating. Some of my friends are still guilting tripping me about not supporting the Sanders Warren revolution.
Same friends keep telling me how atrocious Bloomberg is, but he looks like such a good candidate. Steyer is still my current choice and I was pleased to see him rising in the state polls where the first elections are coming up. |
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Contra John Lennon, love is not all you need. Marianne Williamson drops out.
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Spoke wit a Yang supporter who says he's talked to local business owners who say $15/hr. will put them out of business or make them cut payroll and that's why UBI is better.
I asked for the funding specifics and at first it was "make *insert evil tech company here* pay their taxes." I managed to get down to basics a bit more and heard VAT tax, carbon tax, and economic boost of UBI itself. Which ends up with the same result, businesses will have increased expenses and have to cut payroll. |
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Willaimson puts her campaign on hold which is pretty much dropping out in everything but name.
She will not be missed. Dems will be just as well off if not better off without a New Age Wackjob on the ticket. |
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