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sackett · 13th January 2020, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

joobz! Next thing you know, pharaoh will return.

But Akhenaten can never return. Have you forgotten? Years ago, DOC announced, more sorrowfully than angrily, that he had "blocked" the pharaoh. Yes, blocked his majesty! Although it was immediately explained to him that he had only blocked himself, DOC disdained to understand the functioning of the iggy button, and loftily refused to acknowledge Akhenaten's existence.

And it worked! Have you seen the pharaoh lately, here or in any other thread? Oh, beware the blockage of DOC!

welshdean · 13th January 2020, 10:04 PM

I remember the blocking fondly. .

The Atheist · 14th January 2020, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by ynot

The worst hell of heaven would be eternally knowing that many loved ones are suffering eternal torture in hell.

No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me.

Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics.

Puppycow · 14th January 2020, 01:34 AM

I think a psychoanalyst is a follower of Sigmund Freud and his theories, whereas a therapist could be something else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis

welshdean · 14th January 2020, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me.

Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics.

Divided by an unscaleable, soundproof wall, 'cause both groups think they're the only ones there.

sackett · 14th January 2020, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by welshdean

Divided by an unscaleable, soundproof wall, 'cause both groups think they're the only ones there.

Heck, they just block each other. Prob solved.

Dave Rogers · 14th January 2020, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by sackett

Heck, they just block each other. Prob solved.

There is no DOC-blocking in heaven.

Dave

Darat · 14th January 2020, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Does Turtullian represent the current state of morality in modern theology?

Certainly seems to be in line with some Christians I've read about.

Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion.

Dave Rogers · 14th January 2020, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion.

"That's the great thing about Catholicism. It's so vague and no one really knows what it's about."

- Father Ted

sackett · 14th January 2020, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

There is no DOC-blocking in heaven.

Dave

If DOC and I can't cup our ears and go neener neener neener in heaven, then we're not going!

But that's okay, I take Metamucil every day, and you couldn't block me if you tried.

carlitos · 14th January 2020, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by welshdean

Hah, this one.

Thanks. I hadn't seen this one before. Can anyone tell me what the presumably jewish guy in the lower right has in his hand? And why he seems to be wearing a pith helmet? Or is this another horrible stereotype altogether?

Also - joobz!

joobz · 14th January 2020, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

joobz! Next thing you know, pharaoh will return.

Hi!
FZ told me DOC was back, so I figured I'd reply for old times sake.

DOC's ministry helped me on my path to atheism. He helped demonstrate to me just how bad the evidence is for religion. For that, I'll always be grateful.

carlitos · 14th January 2020, 07:56 AM

I don't believe you unless you can cite the exact posts that DOC "brought in" that made you unbelieve.

Porpoise of Life · 14th January 2020, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by carlitos

Thanks. I hadn't seen this one before. Can anyone tell me what the presumably jewish guy in the lower right has in his hand? And why he seems to be wearing a pith helmet? Or is this another horrible stereotype altogether?

https://i.imgur.com/M5W41rv.jpg

Also - joobz!

An evil 'evolutionist', holding a bone. Looking like a Jewish caricature is just a nice extra dogwhistle. Chick has a lot of big nosed beady eyed stooped over bad guys for some reason.

RecoveringYuppy · 14th January 2020, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me.

Some of the venomous critters found in Australia do make for a proper hell don't they?

sackett · 14th January 2020, 09:59 AM

Know what I think? DOC has blocked us all. We're in limbo.

Or in hades, maybe. Like the mouthless shades, we loiter by the farther bank of Lethe, endeavoring forever to remember something we've forgotten.

DOC, if you can read this -- aw what's the use? He's left us here, and will never return. Probably. Most likely. Dare we hope?

I mean, hope that he'll come back. Sorry, Mods.

Foster Zygote · 14th January 2020, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me.

Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics.

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company. - Mark Twain

The Atheist · 14th January 2020, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Some of the venomous critters found in Australia do make for a proper hell don't they?

The critters are no sweat, but most of the non-desert part of Aussie's has had a very good glimpse of Dantean Infernal Hell lately.

DOC · 14th January 2020, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by joobz

Hi!
FZ told me DOC was back, so I figured I'd reply for old times sake.

DOC's ministry helped me on my path to atheism. He helped demonstrate to me just how bad the evidence is for religion. For that, I'll always be grateful.

Sorry this wasn't enough for you:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...65#post9829265

Now back to the topic.

carlitos · 14th January 2020, 11:47 AM

LOL. I'd never seen this before:

Originally Posted by DOC's bad link

404: Planet X Not Found

joobz · 14th January 2020, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

Sorry this wasn't enough for you:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...65#post9829265

Now back to the topic.

It was more than enough.
It's why I no longer believe.
You've been extremely effective at creating atheists.
Keep up the good work!

You can start by telling us more about how lying is good.

arthwollipot · 14th January 2020, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Certainly seems to be in line with some Christians I've read about.

Those would be the extreme ones like Westboro, which in no way are a representative sample.

Originally Posted by Darat

Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion.

Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.

sackett · 14th January 2020, 09:05 PM

Doc says, "Now back to the topic."

Still convinced that you get to call the shots, huh Doc?

The topic is -- what? The chrrrristian rightness of lying to children? The virtue of filling their heads with ugly Iron Age fairy tales? Come on now, doc. State your own views. Don't try to rely on vaguely topical (in your own view) authoritative voices. Be a man.* Talk in your own voice.

*Okay, be a woman then. But knock off this humming monotone.

Foster Zygote · 14th January 2020, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by joobz

You can start by telling us more about how lying is good.

Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone.

Darat · 14th January 2020, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Those would be the extreme ones like Westboro, which in no way are a representative sample.

Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.

It only takes a single example to answer your question.

And even if you want to ignore all non catholic churches there is still no body that sets out what theology they are all meant to follow

arthwollipot · 14th January 2020, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

It only takes a single example to answer your question.

Right, but a single example is not necessarily representative.

Originally Posted by Darat

And even if you want to ignore all non catholic churches there is still no body that sets out what theology they are all meant to follow

Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken.

Mojo · 15th January 2020, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by sackett

But Akhenaten can never return. Have you forgotten? Years ago, DOC announced, more sorrowfully than angrily, that he had "blocked" the pharaoh. Yes, blocked his majesty! Although it was immediately explained to him that he had only blocked himself, DOC disdained to understand the functioning of the iggy button, and loftily refused to acknowledge Akhenaten's existence.

Are you sure it wasn’t Aberhaten that he blocked? I’ve certainly not see that guy lately.

The Atheist · 15th January 2020, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken.

Still exists in the Holy Roman church, but has no effect on other christian sects.

Darat · 15th January 2020, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Right, but a single example is not necessarily representative.

Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken.

That's just for the RCC.

Mojo · 15th January 2020, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

That's just for the RCC.

And often unexpected, especially in Spain.

8enotto · 15th January 2020, 05:10 AM

I didn't lie to my son when he asked about me not going to church or believing. He has to go because mom makes him but isn't a believer even at 9 years old.
It is just more stuff to do, illogical stuff.

I told him the classes end in june and he was thrilled. He has no concept of faith as a guiding force in life.

The Greater Fool · 15th January 2020, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone.

No need to lie, just honestly relate alternate facts.

Darat · 15th January 2020, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone.

With a young kid in the house, surely the honest answer would be "sleep"

Thor 2 · 15th January 2020, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.

I don't know how you can be "pretty sure".

Tertullian is a respected father of the church although there is a cloud over him because of some heresy he may have been guilty of. He never got to be a saint as a result, but still may have made the grade and entered Heaven, after a stint in Purgatory I suppose. Probably getting his rocks off gazing down at the poor bastards writhing in agony in Hell now.

Saint Augustine did get the nod for sainthood, so I would suspect his views would be regarded as being without blemish. He had a similar optimistic view about the pleasures on offer in Heaven to Tertullian.

abaddon · 15th January 2020, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by DOC

I realize that the Greek and subsequent Roman gods of antiquity could be interesting to read about but the growth of Christianity pretty much put them on the ash heap of history.

One of the reasons why that happened can maybe be explained by what Thomas Jefferson said about this person (Christ) that Christians believe is God in the flesh.

Jefferson said this about the teachings of Christ:

"{they're} the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man."

So maybe it might be better to tell your kids about a possible God who offered humanity what Jefferson said were the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever offered.

And yes I know Jefferson had the opinion that the miracles of Christ could not be supported by reason but then again I have a feeling Jefferson (who could read Greek French and Latin), didn't believe in the existence of the Greek gods either. So given the choice, why not go with a god that some say offered the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever given humanity and also go with a god that is still relevant in our society today unlike the Greek gods.

This is amusing. I intentionally refused to pass on my atheism to my kids. Who am I to impose my position on them.

I was rather proud when they came to me with atheism. They reached that all of their lonesome. I can still recall their uncertaintity when they saw fit to reveal their lack of belief, and their relief when they found that we shared that position.

Weirdly enough, we now read the bible together. And laugh at it.

arthwollipot · 15th January 2020, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Still exists in the Holy Roman church, but has no effect on other christian sects.

Originally Posted by Darat

That's just for the RCC.

Yes, I was indeed referring specifically to the Roman Catholic Church:

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.

arthwollipot · 15th January 2020, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

I don't know how you can be "pretty sure".

Tertullian is a respected father of the church although there is a cloud over him because of some heresy he may have been guilty of. He never got to be a saint as a result, but still may have made the grade and entered Heaven, after a stint in Purgatory I suppose. Probably getting his rocks off gazing down at the poor bastards writhing in agony in Hell now.

Saint Augustine did get the nod for sainthood, so I would suspect his views would be regarded as being without blemish. He had a similar optimistic view about the pleasures on offer in Heaven to Tertullian.

I didn't ask whether he was respected. I asked whether his writings were considered representative of the current doctrine of morality in the church.

Darat · 16th January 2020, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Yes, I was indeed referring specifically to the Roman Catholic Church:

Which catholicism?

Darat · 16th January 2020, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I didn't ask whether he was respected. I asked whether his writings were considered representative of the current doctrine of morality in the church.

And as was mentioned there are definitely still chrisitan denominations that share his theology, you even mentioned one yourself.

Thor 2 · 16th January 2020, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I didn't ask whether he was respected. I asked whether his writings were considered representative of the current doctrine of morality in the church.

Yes it would be nice to have that "current doctrine of morality" clearly defined and nailed down. Perhaps you could have a go at it by drawing on your "pretty sure" instinct.

13th January 2020, 09:13 PM	#201
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 5,830	Alas, Akhenaten Originally Posted by RoboTimbo joobz! Next thing you know, pharaoh will return. But Akhenaten can never return. Have you forgotten? Years ago, DOC announced, more sorrowfully than angrily, that he had "blocked" the pharaoh. Yes, blocked his majesty! Although it was immediately explained to him that he had only blocked himself, DOC disdained to understand the functioning of the iggy button, and loftily refused to acknowledge Akhenaten's existence. And it worked! Have you seen the pharaoh lately, here or in any other thread? Oh, beware the blockage of DOC!
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13th January 2020, 10:04 PM	#202
welshdean BESTEST RUGBY TEAM IN THE NORTHEN HEMISPHERE Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,428	I remember the blocking fondly. .
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14th January 2020, 12:27 AM	#203
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,369	Originally Posted by ynot The worst hell of heaven would be eternally knowing that many loved ones are suffering eternal torture in hell. No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me. Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics.
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14th January 2020, 01:34 AM	#204
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,507	I think a psychoanalyst is a follower of Sigmund Freud and his theories, whereas a therapist could be something else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis
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14th January 2020, 04:58 AM	#205
welshdean BESTEST RUGBY TEAM IN THE NORTHEN HEMISPHERE Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,428	Originally Posted by The Atheist No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me. Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics. Divided by an unscaleable, soundproof wall, 'cause both groups think they're the only ones there.
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14th January 2020, 06:50 AM	#206
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 5,830	DOC hath shewn the Way Originally Posted by welshdean Divided by an unscaleable, soundproof wall, 'cause both groups think they're the only ones there. Heck, they just block each other. Prob solved.
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14th January 2020, 06:55 AM	#207
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 30,143	Originally Posted by sackett Heck, they just block each other. Prob solved. There is no DOC-blocking in heaven. Dave
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14th January 2020, 07:00 AM	#208
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 89,401	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Does Turtullian represent the current state of morality in modern theology? Certainly seems to be in line with some Christians I've read about. Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion.
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14th January 2020, 07:15 AM	#209
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 30,143	Originally Posted by Darat Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion. "That's the great thing about Catholicism. It's so vague and no one really knows what it's about." - Father Ted
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14th January 2020, 07:23 AM	#210
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 5,830	What?!? Originally Posted by Dave Rogers There is no DOC-blocking in heaven. Dave If DOC and I can't cup our ears and go neener neener neener in heaven, then we're not going! But that's okay, I take Metamucil every day, and you couldn't block me if you tried.
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14th January 2020, 07:53 AM	#211
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 21,059	Originally Posted by welshdean Hah, this one. Thanks. I hadn't seen this one before. Can anyone tell me what the presumably jewish guy in the lower right has in his hand? And why he seems to be wearing a pith helmet? Or is this another horrible stereotype altogether? Also - joobz!

14th January 2020, 07:53 AM	#212
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 17,998	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo joobz! Next thing you know, pharaoh will return. Hi! FZ told me DOC was back, so I figured I'd reply for old times sake. DOC's ministry helped me on my path to atheism. He helped demonstrate to me just how bad the evidence is for religion. For that, I'll always be grateful.
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 17,998	__________________ What's the best argument for UHC? This argument against UHC. "Perhaps one reason per capita GDP is lower in UHC countries is because they've tried to prevent this important function [bankrupting the sick] and thus carry forward considerable economic dead wood?"-BeAChooser

14th January 2020, 07:56 AM	#213
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 21,059	I don't believe you unless you can cite the exact posts that DOC "brought in" that made you unbelieve.

14th January 2020, 08:05 AM	#214
Porpoise of Life Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,950	Originally Posted by carlitos Thanks. I hadn't seen this one before. Can anyone tell me what the presumably jewish guy in the lower right has in his hand? And why he seems to be wearing a pith helmet? Or is this another horrible stereotype altogether? https://i.imgur.com/M5W41rv.jpg Also - joobz! An evil 'evolutionist', holding a bone. Looking like a Jewish caricature is just a nice extra dogwhistle. Chick has a lot of big nosed beady eyed stooped over bad guys for some reason.

14th January 2020, 09:22 AM	#215
RecoveringYuppy Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 9,646	Originally Posted by The Atheist No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me. Some of the venomous critters found in Australia do make for a proper hell don't they?

14th January 2020, 09:59 AM	#216
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 5,830	Know what I think? DOC has blocked us all. We're in limbo. Or in hades, maybe. Like the mouthless shades, we loiter by the farther bank of Lethe, endeavoring forever to remember something we've forgotten. DOC, if you can read this -- aw what's the use? He's left us here, and will never return. Probably. Most likely. Dare we hope? I mean, hope that he'll come back. Sorry, Mods.
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14th January 2020, 10:19 AM	#217
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 17,039	Originally Posted by The Atheist No worries for me - all my friends & family are headed down under, with me. Imagine heaven, full of self-righteous fundies and bloody Catholics. Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company. - Mark Twain
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14th January 2020, 11:18 AM	#218
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,369	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Some of the venomous critters found in Australia do make for a proper hell don't they? The critters are no sweat, but most of the non-desert part of Aussie's has had a very good glimpse of Dantean Infernal Hell lately.
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14th January 2020, 11:44 AM	#219
DOC Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,959	Originally Posted by joobz Hi! FZ told me DOC was back, so I figured I'd reply for old times sake. DOC's ministry helped me on my path to atheism. He helped demonstrate to me just how bad the evidence is for religion. For that, I'll always be grateful. Sorry this wasn't enough for you: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...65#post9829265 Now back to the topic.
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14th January 2020, 11:47 AM	#220
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 21,059	LOL. I'd never seen this before: Originally Posted by DOC's bad link 404: Planet X Not Found

14th January 2020, 01:34 PM	#221
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 17,998	Originally Posted by DOC Sorry this wasn't enough for you: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...65#post9829265 Now back to the topic. It was more than enough. It's why I no longer believe. You've been extremely effective at creating atheists. Keep up the good work! You can start by telling us more about how lying is good.
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14th January 2020, 08:22 PM	#222
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Location, Location Posts: 65,238	Originally Posted by Darat Certainly seems to be in line with some Christians I've read about. Those would be the extreme ones like Westboro, which in no way are a representative sample. Originally Posted by Darat Have to remember that there isn't an official body that tells all.chrisitans what they have to believe. It's quite a pick 'n' mix religion. Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote.
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14th January 2020, 09:05 PM	#223
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 5,830	Doc says, "Now back to the topic." Still convinced that you get to call the shots, huh Doc? The topic is -- what? The chrrrristian rightness of lying to children? The virtue of filling their heads with ugly Iron Age fairy tales? Come on now, doc. State your own views. Don't try to rely on vaguely topical (in your own view) authoritative voices. Be a man.* Talk in your own voice. *Okay, be a woman then. But knock off this humming monotone.
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14th January 2020, 09:55 PM	#224
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 17,039	Originally Posted by joobz You can start by telling us more about how lying is good. Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone.
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14th January 2020, 11:00 PM	#225
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 89,401	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Those would be the extreme ones like Westboro, which in no way are a representative sample. Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote. It only takes a single example to answer your question. And even if you want to ignore all non catholic churches there is still no body that sets out what theology they are all meant to follow
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14th January 2020, 11:19 PM	#226
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Location, Location Posts: 65,238	Originally Posted by Darat It only takes a single example to answer your question. Right, but a single example is not necessarily representative. Originally Posted by Darat And even if you want to ignore all non catholic churches there is still no body that sets out what theology they are all meant to follow Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken.
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15th January 2020, 01:28 AM	#227
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 31,694	Originally Posted by sackett But Akhenaten can never return. Have you forgotten? Years ago, DOC announced, more sorrowfully than angrily, that he had "blocked" the pharaoh. Yes, blocked his majesty! Although it was immediately explained to him that he had only blocked himself, DOC disdained to understand the functioning of the iggy button, and loftily refused to acknowledge Akhenaten's existence. Are you sure it wasn’t Aberhaten that he blocked? I’ve certainly not see that guy lately.
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15th January 2020, 01:36 AM	#228
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,369	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken. Still exists in the Holy Roman church, but has no effect on other christian sects.
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15th January 2020, 01:43 AM	#229
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 89,401	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Right, but a single example is not necessarily representative. Isn't there a body called the Office of the Doctrine of the Faith or something which is supposed to do that? I thought there was. I could be mistaken. That's just for the RCC.
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15th January 2020, 03:58 AM	#230
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 31,694	Originally Posted by Darat That's just for the RCC. And often unexpected, especially in Spain.
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15th January 2020, 05:10 AM	#231
8enotto Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Mexico Posts: 1,417	I didn't lie to my son when he asked about me not going to church or believing. He has to go because mom makes him but isn't a believer even at 9 years old. It is just more stuff to do, illogical stuff. I told him the classes end in june and he was thrilled. He has no concept of faith as a guiding force in life.

15th January 2020, 07:19 AM	#232
The Greater Fool Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,134	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone. No need to lie, just honestly relate alternate facts.
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15th January 2020, 07:26 AM	#233
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 89,401	Originally Posted by Foster Zygote Well this one time my son asked, "Daddy, what's your favorite thing to do with Mommy". In that case lying was good for everyone. With a young kid in the house, surely the honest answer would be "sleep"
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15th January 2020, 02:53 PM	#234
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Brisbane, Aust. Posts: 5,830	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Except of course for Catholicism, which literally has exactly such a body. Unlike Westboro, Catholicism does comprise a majority of Christians, and I'm pretty sure they don't still teach what Tertullian wrote. I don't know how you can be "pretty sure". Tertullian is a respected father of the church although there is a cloud over him because of some heresy he may have been guilty of. He never got to be a saint as a result, but still may have made the grade and entered Heaven, after a stint in Purgatory I suppose. Probably getting his rocks off gazing down at the poor bastards writhing in agony in Hell now. Saint Augustine did get the nod for sainthood, so I would suspect his views would be regarded as being without blemish. He had a similar optimistic view about the pleasures on offer in Heaven to Tertullian.
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15th January 2020, 03:56 PM	#235
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 19,475	Originally Posted by DOC I realize that the Greek and subsequent Roman gods of antiquity could be interesting to read about but the growth of Christianity pretty much put them on the ash heap of history. One of the reasons why that happened can maybe be explained by what Thomas Jefferson said about this person (Christ) that Christians believe is God in the flesh. Jefferson said this about the teachings of Christ: "{they're} the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man." So maybe it might be better to tell your kids about a possible God who offered humanity what Jefferson said were the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever offered. And yes I know Jefferson had the opinion that the miracles of Christ could not be supported by reason but then again I have a feeling Jefferson (who could read Greek French and Latin), didn't believe in the existence of the Greek gods either. So given the choice, why not go with a god that some say offered the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever given humanity and also go with a god that is still relevant in our society today unlike the Greek gods. This is amusing. I intentionally refused to pass on my atheism to my kids. Who am I to impose my position on them. I was rather proud when they came to me with atheism. They reached that all of their lonesome. I can still recall their uncertaintity when they saw fit to reveal their lack of belief, and their relief when they found that we shared that position. Weirdly enough, we now read the bible together. And laugh at it.
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