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Old 2nd February 2020, 09:41 PM   #81
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I think it is essential that we see Bloomberg on stage - I think it is a far greater risk to him than to the other candidates to join them on stage.
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Old 2nd February 2020, 09:50 PM   #82
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I really hate the idea of a septuagenarian billionaire buying access to the presidency, but I want a moderate Democrat, and he is one.

We'll see who is standing by the time Michigan rolls around. I could see myself voting for Bloomberg if the other moderates are out by then. It depends on who is still being taken seriously by the time our primary rolls around.
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Old 2nd February 2020, 11:29 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I think it is essential that we see Bloomberg on stage - I think it is a far greater risk to him than to the other candidates to join them on stage.
Why? Keep in mind that the guy was the mayor of NYC for 12 years so it's not like he might wilt in the spotlight. Yeah, there are aspects of his mayoralty that could be brought up--like stop and frisk--but how hard are the other candidates going to want to attack a candidate who has basically offered his staff and a portion of his fortune to them to help them beat Trump?
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Old 3rd February 2020, 12:04 AM   #84
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Why? Keep in mind that the guy was the mayor of NYC for 12 years so it's not like he might wilt in the spotlight. Yeah, there are aspects of his mayoralty that could be brought up--like stop and frisk--but how hard are the other candidates going to want to attack a candidate who has basically offered his staff and a portion of his fortune to them to help them beat Trump?
my view is that any debate leaves the candidates worse off - just some much more than others. The number of candidates and the format (and inept moderators) give no one the chance to really shine, just to suck not so much.

Bloomberg has the advantage of not being tainted with any of that so far, which I would argue is unfair to the others: if he is seen as "just one more candidate" instead "the other candidate", that would likely lessen his appeal for some.
Or he might surprise everyone.
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Old 3rd February 2020, 07:05 AM   #85
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I was listening to "My History Can Beat Up Your Politics" this weekend. I'm now convinced that bloomberg really screwed up by getting into the Dem primary. He should be running in the Rep Primary to weaken trump, as that is one of the few ways an incumbent president ever looses.
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Old 3rd February 2020, 08:41 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by ahhell View Post
I was listening to "My History Can Beat Up Your Politics" this weekend. I'm now convinced that bloomberg really screwed up by getting into the Dem primary. He should be running in the Rep Primary to weaken trump, as that is one of the few ways an incumbent president ever looses.
In recent memory both Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush were incumbents who weren't re-elected. When was the last time a first-term incumbent wasn't re-nominated by his party? There is no chance that a moderate -- Bloomberg or anybody else -- could take the nomination from Trump. Some states even canceled their Repub primaries so Trump wouldn't face any competition. And Bloomberg wants to win, not just weaken Trump.

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Old 3rd February 2020, 08:58 AM   #87
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In recent memory both Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush were incumbents who weren't re-elected. When was the last time a first-term incumbent wasn't re-nominated by his party? There is no chance that a moderate -- Bloomberg or anybody else -- could take the nomination from Trump. Some states even canceled their Repub primaries so Trump wouldn't face any competition. And Bloomberg wants to win, not just weaken Trump.
Both were challenged by folks in the primaries. Carter by Ted Kennedy and Bush by Buchanan. It would be very unlikely that any incumbent would actually loose the primary, but there is evidence that a challenge could weaken the incumbent for the general.

Granted, it could also be that weak candidates get challenged. A harder argument to make for Bush than Carter.
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Both were challenged by folks in the primaries. Carter by Ted Kennedy and Bush by Buchanan. It would be very unlikely that any incumbent would actually loose the primary, but there is evidence that a challenge could weaken the incumbent for the general.

Granted, it could also be that weak candidates get challenged. A harder argument to make for Bush than Carter.
You understand that there is not one primary, right? Every state conducts its own primaries -- sometimes caucuses instead -- according to its own rules, awarding delegates who cast their votes at the party convention.
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You understand that there is not one primary, right? Every state conducts its own primaries -- sometimes caucuses instead -- according to its own rules, awarding delegates who cast their votes at the party convention.
Oooh, good point, let me amend my previous statement:

Both Carter and Bush were challenged in their party's primaries and the Iowa caucas and then went on to loose the generals*. this suggests a link between primary challenges and incumbents loosing the election.** Ford was also challenged in the primaries and Iowa caucus and also lost in the generals.*

*to be clear, there's not really just one general election either.

**Which I have already granted may be as much the result of weak candidates being challenged as it is challenges weakening the candidate.
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Old 3rd February 2020, 09:32 AM   #90
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Loose = your pants are too big
Lose = you did not win

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Old 3rd February 2020, 09:35 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Loose = your pants are too big
Lose = you did not win
Hopefully both, this time: Trump's pants are notoriously loose-fitting. How someone can have so much money and occupy such an office while not having access to decent tailoring...it boggles the mind.
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Hopefully both, this time: Trump's pants are notoriously loose-fitting. How someone can have so much money and occupy such an office while not having access to decent tailoring...it boggles the mind.
He has access but doesn't use it. More evidence of him being obstinate. Or just maybe he got stuck in the 90's with the big suits and thinks that they look great.
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Old 3rd February 2020, 12:29 PM   #93
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bloomberg has pledged to keep his campaign running even if he doesn't get the nom. to run an anti-trump advertising push right up to the end.

i wonder if people have thought through what the reactions of that will be for say a sanders campaign where his core supporters generally have...lets say 'a poor opinion' of billionaires. does a candidate running as super left/progressive, grass roots, small donations only, etc etc ...but then having a billionaire attack dog running interference create a wedge issue that can be exploited by their opponent? or even an irreconcilable issue within the campaign itself before the opponent even does anything?
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Trump has focused in on what's important about Bloomberg: his height. Calling him "Mini Mike."
Reminds me of "Liddle Marco".
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So ,when does Bloomberg replace Soros as the MAGA-hat's version of Emmanuel Goldstein?
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Old 3rd February 2020, 02:21 PM   #96
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I really hate the idea of a septuagenarian billionaire buying access to the presidency, but I want a moderate Democrat, and he is one.
Agreed on both counts, but there are plenty of other moderates to choose from.

I'd be unhappy to see both parties come to a consensus that we ought to be ruled by people who never have to balance their own checkbooks, do their own laundry, or shop for their own groceries.
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It's interesting that Bloomburg is building his political organization completely outside the usual Democratic party networks...
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Old 3rd February 2020, 07:36 PM   #98
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Agreed on both counts, but there are plenty of other moderates to choose from.

I'd be unhappy to see both parties come to a consensus that we ought to be ruled by people who never have to balance their own checkbooks, do their own laundry, or shop for their own groceries.
Amen. Welcome to the plutocracy.


But if Bloomberg is still in the race when Michigan rolls around, and he's the only moderate left, I'm voting for him.

I suppose I should go to the news page and see if there are results from Iowa coming in.
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Is Bloomberg actually a moderate, though? He's running as not-Trump, but if he takes office he'll be President Bloomberg. What kind of president would he be? Does his time as mayor of New York give any clues? Would his undoubtedly extensive business interests around the world color his executive decisions?
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If Bloomberg is the Democratic nominee in November, I'm voting for him. Also Biden, Bernie, Warren, Klobuchar, or the ghost of Ronald Wilson Reagan.
My state's having a primary next month, I think. I've no idea who I'll vote for in that. Maybe let my wife decide.
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Is Bloomberg actually a moderate, though? He's running as not-Trump, but if he takes office he'll be President Bloomberg. What kind of president would he be? Does his time as mayor of New York give any clues? Would his undoubtedly extensive business interests around the world color his executive decisions?

At least he would not be a crude, ignorant bigot with real emotional issues....
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Is Bloomberg actually a moderate, though? He's running as not-Trump, but if he takes office he'll be President Bloomberg. What kind of president would he be? Does his time as mayor of New York give any clues? Would his undoubtedly extensive business interests around the world color his executive decisions?
Don't know much about the fella. From what I understand, he was pretty moderate as mayor, and doesn't use the word "socialism" in a positive light.

As for business interests, yeah, that's a problem, but by comparison, not so much. I'll bet he releases his tax return, even though he is being audited.
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At least he would not be a crude, ignorant bigot with real emotional issues....
I don't know about the emotional issues, but he sure seemed ignorantly bigoted when he got that teacher fired.
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From what I gather, Bloomberg is mostly known for his nannying tendencies. Remember the soda ban? He's a big defender of stop and frisk, which he mostly defended by saying, its good for black people even if they don't realize it(until 2019.) A quick look at his wiki page suggests that there is plenty to dislike but probably more if you are a conservative than a liberal/progressive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg

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Bloomberg has expressed a distaste for taxes, stating, "Taxes are not good things, but if you want services, somebody's got to pay for them, so they're a necessary evil."
That's probably the accurate thing I've heard a candidate say about taxes in a while.
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That's probably the accurate thing I've heard a candidate say about taxes in a while.

Bloomberg wants to pay more taxes.
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The tax code is also worsening inequality. We tax income from stocks and bonds at a much lower rate than income from work. We allow great wealth to pass from generation to generation with little or no tax due. And we provide countless loopholes that corporations and the rich exploit to reduce their taxes even more.

The tax plan I released on Saturday confronts these issues head-on. It reverses the Republican tax cuts for high-income individuals. It adds a 5 percent surtax on income over $5 million a year, bringing the top tax rate to 44.6 percent. It raises the corporate tax rate to 28 percent, from 21 percent, which is still competitive with other developed countries. It strengthens the minimum corporate tax on foreign income, to stop companies from moving profits overseas. And it closes loopholes that companies and individuals exploit to avoid paying taxes.
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It's interesting that Bloomburg is building his political organization completely outside the usual Democratic party networks...
Maybe a wise move, seeing imo, before all jump all over this, but I still think Bernie was shut out last time around cuz everyone knew Hillary would win... wait....
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Is Bloomberg actually a moderate, though? He's running as not-Trump, but if he takes office he'll be President Bloomberg. What kind of president would he be?
- Better than the current one
- Less likely to be countered at every turn by a Mitch O'Connell congress than Bernie would.
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Mike Bloomberg is paying "influencers" to make him seem cool.

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The Bloomberg campaign has quietly begun a campaign on Tribe, a “branded content marketplace” that connects social-media influencers with the brands that want to advertise to their followers, to pitch influencers on creating content highlighting why they love the former New York City mayor—for a price.

For a fixed $150 fee, the Bloomberg campaign is pitching micro-influencers—someone who has from 1,000 to 100,000 followers, in industry parlance—to create original content “that tells us why Mike Bloomberg is the electable candidate who can rise above the fray, work across the aisle so ALL Americans feel heard & respected.”

“Are you sick of the chaos & infighting overshadowing the issues that matter most to us? Please express your thoughts verbally or for still image posts please overlay text about why you support Mike,” the campaign copy tells would-be Bloomberg stans under the heading “Content We’d Love From You,” asking influencers to “Show+Tell why Mike is the candidate who can change our country for the better, state why YOU think he’s a great candidate.”

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Bloomberg is also making funny videos about Trump.

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What's funny about it?
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The article says it better than I would:

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But the notion that one of the richest people on the planet is paying micro-influencers in exchange for authentic-seeming endorsements from Instagrammers risks giving off what might be described as a Monty Burns-entering-a-film-festival vibe.
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The article says it better than I would:
I still don't see the problem. Bloomberg seems to be trying to use a multi-pronged approach to his campaign.
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You know who else is using a multi-pronged approach? Zip Recruiter. I'm serious, they are the best. I found my ideal candidate using Zip Recruiter in only a couple of days, whereas my last search with those other websites took months and we had to fire the guy eventually.
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Bloomberg should hire hackers and private eyes rather than microinfluencers.
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You know who else is using a multi-pronged approach? Zip Recruiter. I'm serious, they are the best. I found my ideal candidate using Zip Recruiter in only a couple of days, whereas my last search with those other websites took months and we had to fire the guy eventually.
Not sure what your point is.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Not sure what your point is.
I'm just giving you my honest, unbiased opinion. I find this much easier to do since I started taking BrainForce Plus®. People reading my posts here know that I would only ever say what's on my mind, and now my mind is clearer than ever thanks to BrainForce Plus®.
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I'm just giving you my honest, unbiased opinion. I find this much easier to do since I started taking BrainForce Plus®. People reading my posts here know that I would only ever say what's on my mind, and now my mind is clearer than ever thanks to BrainForce Plus®.
If your goal was to confuse me further, I have to give it to you, it worked!
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Loose = your pants are too big
Lose = you did not win

/sorry
Just want to say, totally legit pedantry, my grammar, spelling ect is ****, oddly I have an enormous vocabulary, I just can't spell any of those words.

This is in sharp contrast to the needless correction regarding there being more than one primary.

Now back to the OP. Is there really any point to running attack ads against trump? His negatives are pretty much worn on his sleeves. He might actually be able to kill some one on Broadway and not lose any support.

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If your goal was to confuse me further, I have to give it to you, it worked!
Just giving you my authentic thoughts, as I might share them about any presidential candidate who was or wasn't paying me.
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Just want to say, totally legit pedantry, my grammar, spelling ect is ****, oddly I have an enormous vocabulary, I just can't spell any of those words.

This is in sharp contrast to the needless correction regarding there being more than one primary.

Now back to the OP. Is there really any point to running attack ads against trump? His negatives are pretty much worn on his sleeves. He might actually be able to kill some one on Broadway and not lose any support.
His idiocy must be mocked, and laughed at.
To the TrumpSuckers, the appeal is in how he "owns" us smarty-pants liberals.
Make him an object of ridicule, and his support will become less ardent.

Running negative ads about his lies, and his record, will have little positive value- and may even benefit his chances.
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