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ANd in the UK Boris is continuing to do, basically, nothing.
IMHO the UK is headed for catastrophe. |
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W.r.t Coronavirus, Brexit or both ?
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Everybody is so well unified and working so hard. It is a beautiful thing to see. They love our great Country. We will end up being stronger than ever before! Just had a very good tele-conference with Nations’s Governors. Went very well. Cuomo of New York has to “do more”. |
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Cruel irony - our belongings are being removed back to the UK in early April (no restrictions on that, apparently) and we were planning to follow them and rent until our house here sells. No damn chance now, as our Belgian buyers will be stuck at home unable to travel over to sign contracts, and the notary and lawyers offices are closing down here anyway, at least for now.
We'll keep the bare bones of a home together here in Greece - which seems a damn sight safer than the UK - and manage just fine. We're stocking up just a little and aiming to isolate for a month or so, though the supplies of bog roll in the shops are totally normal ![]() |
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People in London will be painting red crosses on doors before this is over.
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"The thief and the murderer follow nature just as much as the philanthropist. Cosmic evolution may teach us how the good and the evil tendencies of man may have come about; but, in itself, it is incompetent to furnish any better reason why what we call good is preferable to what we call evil than we had before." "Evolution and Ethics" T.H. Huxley (1893) |
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Colour me surprised, the UK government's plan for car factories to build ventilators is a pie-in-the-sky as is their approach to pretty much everything else
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Cuomo wants “all states to be treated the same.” But all states aren’t the same. Some are being hit hard by the Chinese Virus, some are being hit practically not at all. New York is a very big “hotspot”, West Virginia has, thus far, zero cases. Andrew, keep politics out of it... |
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Failing Michigan Governor must work harder and be much more proactive. We are pushing her to get the job done. I stand with Michigan Federal Government is working very well with the Governors and State officials. Good things will happen! #KILLTHEVIRUS |
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I have to disagee,this could work.
In WW2, a lot of US car manfacures switched to makiing airplanes very quickly. If you think a bout what goes into a car motor, it makes sense to think they could make venitlators. Iunderstand you harte the Tory government, but this is one thing worth looking into. |
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Maybe though if they get it a bit wrong and pop a few lungs no big deal anyway.
I mean I get it you are throwing all regulation for medical equipment right out the window and not caring who it lands on. Like how funny recalls of artificial joints are. Just one little problem and suddenly people try to make it seem like a big deal. |
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Labour's 2019 spending plans
Abolish university tuition fees £13bn Universal basic income £4.5bn 4 day working week £85bn NHS spend £7bn National social care service£10bn Tories compared it to"flying unicorns" Today the chancellor found £330bn in his back pocket. |
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Why would anyone be asking car factories to convert to medical electronics factories?
Why not just get existing electronics manufacturers and sub contractors to make them? |
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Trump in January: Coronavirus is 'not at all' a pandemic
Trump now: 'I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic' |
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My impression is that it took WWII factories some months to retool in order to switch from cars to airplanes, and again to switch from one airplane to another.
I suppose there might be value in looking at making some sort of switch like that, but it may take too long to prevent the worst of the hurt. |
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The world is united! Yeah, right! While trying to buy the vaccine so the Germans won't have it ... When the actual world is not united, an imaginary threat to the whole world is always useful if you want to make people forget about the actual conflicts of interest. In this case, people who don't have health care and the people who turn a buck selling health care to the people who can afford it. Ronald Reagan had a somewhat similar idea when he started his project 'Let's disenfranchise the poor even more.'
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Boris Johnson using the same kind of rhetoric as Donald Trump
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Seeing russian numbers I conclude they lie even more than chinese.
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There's nothing objectionable about saying that, is there?
If he was talking about Chinese viruses and hoaxes and how he so too could be a doctor and knows all about it then I would agree with you. But from what I can see they are saying at all times that they are going with what the scientists say. There is also a kind of "dog that didn't bark" evidence that most of the opposition parties and the Public Health bodies of each country in the UK is behind the decisions that are being made. |
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From this article,
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As the article said it may be worth looking at older simpler models to make initially, the more sophisticated ventilators can be used on the sickest. |
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There's no escaping the fact that car factories are designed to manufacture cars as efficiently as possible. They're wholly unsuitable for the manufacture of ventilators even if there was an agreed ventilator design (there isn't), the employees were suitably skilled to make them (they aren't), the automated assembly line was suitably programmed to make ventilators (it isn't) and the supply chain was in place to provide the components for the manufacture of the ventilators (it isn't).
It's been a while since I worked in manufacturing (Mullard Colour Tubes in Durham back in the 1980s) but even back then retooling for the production of a different model of cathode ray tube would take weeks much less converting the factory to make something completely different and, more importantly in this context, converting it back a few weeks later when the ventilator crisis is over. During the war, the expectation was that the new factories (Captain Swoop was quite right to point out my error in claiming that car factories were turned over to the production of aircraft) would be producing for years. It is possible that a small-scale general engineering company, especially one which specialises in small scale or prototype manufacture and which has a highly-skilled workforce of "artisans" may be able to quickly turn its hand to the manufacture of simple ventilators, but that's not what the government is/was proposing. Instead what they did was, as they usually do, make a grand announcement which is supposed to sound good but which has no practical benefit. Instead it relies on a mis-remembered fragment of our national myth "During the War, car factories immediately switched to building Spitfires" and a fundamental misunderstanding of modern manufacturing. In this way it's as ridiculous as claiming that post-Brexit component shortages could simply be overcome by 3D printing them. |
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It is yet again the comfortable class having no idea about how their level of comfort is maintained. Their level of understanding is "factories make things, I want more ventilators, a ventilator is a thing, factories make things" problem solved. This is because all they do is tell someone that something needs to be done and it happens for them.
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I've been thinking about this a little more and perhaps classic vehicle/plane/boat restorers, boutique audio manufacturers and electrical and electronic repair shop workers might have the right combination of skills.
Of course this would still require the production and certification of a suitable design or designs for these people to build and the creation of a supply chain so that suitable components are available for the manufacture - and ongoing maintenance of ventilators. Of course the government isn't working on this, instead they're expressing a vague hope that British Industry will magically, schmagically solve the problems on their behalf. This wasn't what happened during the war. Once again, it's pointless grandstanding and wishful, magical, thinking in the face of a national crisis - absolutely the opposite of how Britain responded to WWII. |
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