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Old 31st May 2020, 12:06 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
If the quote is accurate, then are we to parse it as, "Make America Great Again love black people?" Well, I guess we're to take it that MAGA is no longer a call to action, but instead is now the homogenized, corporeal conglomeration of the many millions of Drumpf's rabble. And that this blended basket of deplorables is sympatico with the non-MAGA people of color who are in opposition to the prime MAGAite. Yeah, makes sense.
MAGA love black people who "know their place."
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Old 31st May 2020, 12:15 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Wait. Are you saying the Georgia House of Representatives is "a minor part-time state legislature"? In what way is it either?

Abrams was a state rep. for 10 years and was also the minority leader from 2011 to 2017. I'd call that government experience. It's not federal but it is government experience.

The Georgia legislature meets a maximum of 40 days a year. It is not considered a full-time legislature, although many are even more part-time.
https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_...me_legislature
https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-...islatures.aspx

And Georgia is not a "battleground" state. For Biden to pick Abrams wouldn't improve his chances of winning Georgia's electoral votes. The state will necessarily play a minor role in his campaign.

And holding a state legislative office is just not the same in terms of the issues dealt with as the national government. Abrams has been very skillful at promoting herself. What are her actual accomplishments, beyond losing a race by a smaller margin than predicted?

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Old 31st May 2020, 12:16 PM   #283
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
If Harris and Demings are ruled out due to LE background, and Abrams is in play despite thin resume, then maybe Keisha Lance Bottoms, mayor of Atlanta, is also in play.
Oh, that must have been why her solution to police brutality was to vote in the primary! She wanted people to write her in!
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Old 31st May 2020, 12:17 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Heh. I didn't hear about Abrams until her name came up as a possible Biden VP.
Then you weren't paying much attention to national news during the last election.

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And apparently that came about because she broke with convention to openly campaign for the pick.
Yes, she did say in an Elle interview in March:

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“I would be an excellent running mate,” she said. “I have the capacity to attract voters by motivating typically ignored communities. I have a strong history of executive and management experience in the private, public, and nonprofit sectors. I’ve spent 25 years in independent study of foreign policy. I am ready to help advance an agenda of restoring America’s place in the world. If I am selected, I am prepared and excited to serve.”
At least she was being honest instead of engaging in the usual game VP wannabes play by denying they're interested in the position.
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Old 31st May 2020, 12:25 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
You conveniently and blatantly ignore that she no longer held the office at the time. That's an impressive degree of eagerness to assign blame.

This is like a game of community rorshalk, where posters blurt whatever impressionistic concept enters their minds, facts be damned.
When we have an unfavorable opinion about someone, and that justifies hanging anything and everything around their neck regardless of the facts, pleasing though it may feel, there lies a path to madness.
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Old 31st May 2020, 12:26 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Keeping in mind that the point of democracy is not to have good outcomes.
The Constitution, which was established by "We the People" (pretty democratic-sounding, eh?) has that "promote the general welfare" part that makes good outcomes a goal. So whether democracy per se has the goal of good outcomes or not has little to do with good outcomes as a goal in the U.S., since it is governed by the Constitution.
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
The Georgia legislature meets a maximum of 40 days a year. It is not considered a full-time legislature, although many are even more part-time.
https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_...me_legislature
https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-...islatures.aspx

And Georgia is not a "battleground" state. For Biden to pick Abrams wouldn't improve his chances of winning Georgia's electoral votes. The state will necessarily play a minor role in his campaign.

And holding a state legislative office is just not the same in terms of the issues dealt with as the national government. Abrams has been very skillful at promoting herself. What are her actual accomplishments, beyond losing a race by a smaller margin than predicted?
Georgia could be a battleground state. The last Georgia state poll posted at 538 about 2 weeks ago had Biden +1.
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Old 31st May 2020, 12:28 PM   #288
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Then you weren't paying much attention to national news during the last election.
Guilty as charged. What did she doing the last election, to garner national news coverage?



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Yes, she did say in an Elle interview in March:
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At least she was being honest instead of engaging in the usual game VP wannabes play by denying they're interested in the position.
It's actually kind of nice. I wonder where the other convention comes from.
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Old 31st May 2020, 01:06 PM   #289
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
The Georgia legislature meets a maximum of 40 days a year. It is not considered a full-time legislature, although many are even more part-time.
https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_...me_legislature
https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-...islatures.aspx
Georgia state legislators spend 74% of a full-time job on their legislative position according to your link. That is hardly "minor". The full Assembly meets 40 days a year but that does not mean the legislators aren't working at their jobs such as in committees, etc.
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And Georgia is not a "battleground" state. For Biden to pick Abrams wouldn't improve his chances of winning Georgia's electoral votes. The state will necessarily play a minor role in his campaign.
Not necessarily. Abrams came very close to winning the Georgia governor race losing by less than 55K votes. Some believe she would have won except for voter suppression and voting machine irregularities.

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And holding a state legislative office is just not the same in terms of the issues dealt with as the national government. Abrams has been very skillful at promoting herself. What are her actual accomplishments, beyond losing a race by a smaller margin than predicted?
Eisenhower, Taft, and Grant had no political experience at any level.

The following had only state government experience, no federal:

Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Coolidge
Franklin Roosevelt
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush

If you want to know Abrams' accomplishments, I suggest you look here:
https://staceyabrams.com/wp-content/...plishments.pdf
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
The Georgia legislature meets a maximum of 40 days a year. It is not considered a full-time legislature, although many are even more part-time.
https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_...me_legislature
https://www.ncsl.org/research/about-...islatures.aspx

And Georgia is not a "battleground" state. For Biden to pick Abrams wouldn't improve his chances of winning Georgia's electoral votes. The state will necessarily play a minor role in his campaign.

And holding a state legislative office is just not the same in terms of the issues dealt with as the national government. Abrams has been very skillful at promoting herself. What are her actual accomplishments, beyond losing a race by a smaller margin than predicted?
Abrams lost by 1.4% when her opponent was in charge of the vote and played a lot of shenanigans with voter purges. Kemp also had an abysmal record regarding vote security.

Right now, Kemp has the worst approval rating of any Governor in the country*. Abrams being on the ticket might just make GA a battleground state for that alone.


*eta: Kemp has the worst approval rating over Covid-19 handling, not the worst approval overall. My mistake

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Old 31st May 2020, 01:20 PM   #291
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Guilty as charged. What did she doing the last election, to garner national news coverage?
She appeared on The View in February and April as is usual for politicians. She appeared alongside Biden on a televised townhall on May 14.
She addressed the Reade allegations on Seat At the Table on May 12. She was very recently interviewed by TIME magazine. Would you like more?

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It's actually kind of nice. I wonder where the other convention comes from.
What other 'convention' are you concerned with?

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She appeared on The View in February and April as is usual for politicians.
Yeah, there's no chance in hell I would have heard about her from that source.

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She addressed the Reade allegations on Seat At the Table on May 12. She was very recently interviewed by TIME magazine. Would you like more?
More from the 2016 election season? Sure. I'm aware of her this time around. My question was about what national news coverage of her I missed during the last election.

Is it really usual for politicans to appear on The View during election season? It seems like there wouldn't be enough airtime to bring on even half the competitors in half the many races going on throughout the country. I'd say an appearance on the show would be notable for that reason alone (though not notable enough that I'd notice it). I guess there was something about her 2016 that made her notable?

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What other 'convention' are you concerned with?
The convention of VP hopefuls pretending like they don't want the job. I wonder where that came from.

I'm guessing it's motivated by concern over prolonging the primary slapfight into a slapfight between VP hopefuls, which doesn't really help the nominee or the party. Everybody wants to focus on what the nominee is going to do for the country and how they're going to win the election.

I suppose as long as only one person is doing it, there's no slapfight and it's no big deal. It'll be interesting to see what happens in four years, if more than one person goes the Abrams route instead of the traditional route.
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Old 31st May 2020, 01:46 PM   #293
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Georgia state legislators spend 74% of a full-time job on their legislative position according to your link. That is hardly "minor". The full Assembly meets 40 days a year but that does not mean the legislators aren't working at their jobs such as in committees, etc.


Not necessarily. Abrams came very close to winning the Georgia governor race losing by less than 55K votes. Some believe she would have won except for voter suppression and voting machine irregularities.



Eisenhower, Taft, and Grant had no political experience at any level.

The following had only state government experience, no federal:

Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Coolidge
Franklin Roosevelt
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
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George W. Bush

If you want to know Abrams' accomplishments, I suggest you look here:
https://staceyabrams.com/wp-content/...plishments.pdf
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Old 31st May 2020, 02:07 PM   #294
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Yeah, there's no chance in hell I would have heard about her from that source.
That doesn't surprise me. The View is definitely left leaning but they do have GOP politicians on, too, including Trump, Donnie Jr., Lindsey Graham, and Matt Gaetz. Perhaps the reason you didn't hear about Abrams during the 2016 election is that you weren't looking at media that didn't lean or just plain fall over right.

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More from the 2016 election season? Sure. I'm aware of her this time around. My question was about what national news coverage of her I missed during the last election.
Your question wasn't really clear that it was the last election you were asking about:
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Guilty as charged. What did she doing the last election, to garner national news coverage?
I inferred you were really asking "What did she do since the last election..."

You know, Google is your friend. If you have a question, take advantage of it. It's not my job to do your research.

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Is it really usual for politicans to appear on The View during election season? It seems like there wouldn't be enough airtime to bring on even half the competitors in half the many races going on throughout the country. I'd say an appearance on the show would be notable for that reason alone (though not notable enough that I'd notice it).
Absolutely it's usual for politicians to appear on The View during election season.

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I guess there was something about her 2016 that made her notable?
You've already had that addressed. Again, Google is your friend.

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The convention of VP hopefuls pretending like they don't want the job. I wonder where that came from.

I'm guessing it's motivated by concern over prolonging the primary slapfight into a slapfight between VP hopefuls, which doesn't really help the nominee or the party. Everybody wants to focus on what the nominee is going to do for the country and how they're going to win the election.

I suppose as long as only one person is doing it, there's no slapfight and it's no big deal. It'll be interesting to see what happens in four years, if more than one person goes the Abrams route instead of the traditional route.

That could be true. Or it could also be that no one wants to stick their necks out publicly and say they want the job and then not get chosen. I don't think going public with it would really influence their chances of getting the VP slot.
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They were all libtard cucks!
LOL. Even Reagan would be considered a lib'ral by some of the far right today.
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Eisenhower, Taft, and Grant had no political experience at any level.

The following had only state government experience, no federal:

Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Coolidge
Franklin Roosevelt
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
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You're really desperate for a seat in the Abrams bandwagon, aren't you? Eisenhower and Grant led the armies that saved civilization, in Eisenhower's case, and only the Union, in Grant's. I count that as experience in government. Taft had been governor of the Phillppines when it was a U.S. territory and U.S. Secretary of War. All of the others had been state governors, usually for more than one term. Running a state government is just not comparable to sitting in the legislature.

I think a successful big-state governor is well-qualified to serve in the White House. Somebody in the State House? Not so much.

It's not a knock on Abrams to simply observe that many other prospects are better qualified and more likely to appeal to a national electorate.
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Keeping in mind that the point of democracy is not to have good outcomes.
I don't think the goal is to hand the reins to a confederacy of dunces, either.
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That doesn't surprise me. The View is definitely left leaning but they do have GOP politicians on, too, including Trump, Donnie Jr., Lindsey Graham, and Matt Gaetz. Perhaps the reason you didn't hear about Abrams during the 2016 election is that you weren't looking at media that didn't lean or just plain fall over right.
Actually it's because I don't look at the media much at all, except sometimes when it's cited here. I dropped my cable subscription years ago, but didn't even watch the news before that. I get most of my current events reporting right here, believe it or not.

I wouldn't see her on The View because the format doesn't interest me, and because I don't take such shows seriously in general.

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Your question wasn't really clear that it was the last election you were asking about:

I inferred you were really asking "What did she do since the last election..."
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Then you weren't paying much attention to national news during the last election.
I intended to ask what was doing "during the last election", not "since the last election." I'm sorry if that got lost in translation somehow.

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Fair enough. Your idea of notable might be different than mine. It was less a demand for research, and more an invitation to share your perspective. If you'd rather not, no harm done. Carry on!

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I don't think it's a big deal, and I'm not trying to bust your balls over this. I do think it's an interesting way to phrase it, though:

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Absolutely it's usual for politicians to appear on The View during election season.
That doesn't seem right. It's true that The View has about 217 episodes per year, which is probably enough to have most politicians on for at least one segment. But is that what actually happens? I'd be surprised if it was indeed usual for every candidate in every state-level election going on in the country to make an appearance on The View.

If I were a betting person, I'd bet avatars that only notable politicians appear on the show, and that they are a minority and therefore unusual.

I'm sure it's usual for The View to have politicans on the show, even if they don't bring on all of them.

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You've already had that addressed. Again, Google is your friend.
Agreed.

I think of Google more like my pimp than my friend, though.

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That could be true. Or it could also be that no one wants to stick their necks out publicly and say they want the job and then not get chosen. I don't think going public with it would really influence their chances of getting the VP slot.
That kinda makes sense. However, I try to keep in mind that these are a group of people who have self-selected for the risk of publicly saying they want a job and then not getting it.

Also, Abrams seems to think going public improves her chances. Do you think she's got a point? Or is she making a mistake, in your opinion?

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Yeah, there's no chance in hell I would have heard about her from that source.


More from the 2016 election season? Sure. I'm aware of her this time around. My question was about what national news coverage of her I missed during the last election.

Is it really usual for politicans to appear on The View during election season? It seems like there wouldn't be enough airtime to bring on even half the competitors in half the many races going on throughout the country. I'd say an appearance on the show would be notable for that reason alone (though not notable enough that I'd notice it). I guess there was something about her 2016 that made her notable?


The convention of VP hopefuls pretending like they don't want the job. I wonder where that came from.

I'm guessing it's motivated by concern over prolonging the primary slapfight into a slapfight between VP hopefuls, which doesn't really help the nominee or the party. Everybody wants to focus on what the nominee is going to do for the country and how they're going to win the election.

I suppose as long as only one person is doing it, there's no slapfight and it's no big deal. It'll be interesting to see what happens in four years, if more than one person goes the Abrams route instead of the traditional route.
I'm in Canada, and get my US news in YouTube clips and this Forum. Yet I heard and saw all kinds of stuff about Stacey Abrams. I followed the shenanigans she was up against in her race with Kemp. And she impressed me with her intelligence and passion. The better person, by furlongs, lost there.
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Guilty as charged. What did she doing the last election, to garner national news coverage?

Wow. Seriously? In the last semi-major election (2018), she ran for governor of Georgia in a quite well known and hotly contested election.

So now you know.
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I'm in Canada, and get my US news in YouTube clips and this Forum. Yet I heard and saw all kinds of stuff about Stacey Abrams. I followed the shenanigans she was up against in her race with Kemp. And she impressed me with her intelligence and passion. The better person, by furlongs, lost there.
Noted. I guess we'll have to see if Biden is similarly impressed by her intelligence and passion.

Actually this brings up an interesting question. I'm not sure if it has an answer, though: What kinds of plans do presidential candidates make, about how to use the power of the vice presidency? I imagine some of them are just looking for a nondescript placeholder. Someone who will satisfy the constitutional requirement to have an ass in that particular seat. Someone who can be trusted to vote the right way on Senate tie-breakers. Someone who will otherwise do pretty much nothing. And I imagine others have big plans that require more heads and hands than the president and their cabinet alone can provide. In that case, someone with intelligence and passion for those plans could come in handy. I even imagine that still others want a specialist for some special task. Someone who knows how to do one important thing really well, and gets the job so they can get it done.

I wonder what kind of job Biden has in mind, for his VP.
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Wow. Seriously? In the last semi-major election (2018), she ran for governor of Georgia in a quite well known and hotly contested election.

So now you know.
Yes, seriously. I generally ignore gubernatorial elections outside my own state.
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My main concern with Abrams is that she doesn't have a long history of high profile electoral success.

Yes, she served in her state's legislature, but she has never served at the federal level, and she lost the election for governor. (Granted it was an election in a rather backwards state, and the Republicans did crank up the dirty tricks, like voter suppression... Still, it limits her visibility and experience.)

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If the quote is accurate, then are we to parse it as, "Make America Great Again love black people?" Well, I guess we're to take it that MAGA is no longer a call to action, but instead is now the homogenized, corporeal conglomeration of the many millions of Drumpf's rabble. And that this blended basket of deplorables is sympatico with the non-MAGA people of color who are in opposition to the prime MAGAite. Yeah, makes sense.
That would require a colon. You know, one of these things: :::::::.

Watch for yourself, the long version is worse.

And yes, the lack of an 's' on loves was a typo. Watching the video again I see I also left out "the". "MAGA loves the black people." Probably harder to tell given Trump uses MAGA as a noun there.

That dude is so racist and he has no clue; or maybe he does and he thinks this rot makes him look not racist.
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You're really desperate for a seat in the Abrams bandwagon, aren't you?
Wow.
I was responding to your statement that "holding a state legislative office is just not the same in terms of the issues dealt with as the national government," by giving examples of past presidents who had never held a national government position.
Resorting to an ad hominem doesn't show my desperation.

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Eisenhower and Grant led the armies that saved civilization, in Eisenhower's case, and only the Union, in Grant's. I count that as experience in government.
In that case, you might also consider holding a job as dog catcher as experience in government. Military experience is not even close to political experience.

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Taft had been governor of the Phillppines when it was a U.S. territory and U.S. Secretary of War.
I stand corrected on that.

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All of the others had been state governors, usually for more than one term.
But that was not the point I was addressing, was it?
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Running a state government is just not comparable to sitting in the legislature.
Again, not the point I was addressing which was:

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"holding a state legislative office is just not the same in terms of the issues dealt with as the national government,"
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I think a successful big-state governor is well-qualified to serve in the White House. Somebody in the State House? Not so much.
I agree. But again, not the point I was addressing. The issues a governor deals with are not necessarily the issues dealt with by the President of the US either. But definitely closer than a legislator.


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It's not a knock on Abrams to simply observe that many other prospects are better qualified and more likely to appeal to a national electorate.
No, it isn't and I didn't say it was. I've given my reasons why I think picking Warren, as much as I like her, could backfire in the Senate and why I think Klobuchar and Harris are not viable due to their LE background. I truly do not understand your first paragraph above.

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Yes, seriously. I generally ignore gubernatorial elections outside my own state.

Would that be Hong Kong?
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If Harris and Demings are ruled out due to LE background, and Abrams is in play despite thin resume, then maybe Keisha Lance Bottoms, mayor of Atlanta, is also in play.
She was great yesterday, wasn't she.

Abrams is known for almost winning governorship of a red state had it not been for GOP control of the voting machine. Obviously Georgians thought she was qualified for a significant office.

I'd also like to see Susan Rice considered along with these others. I think I said that before.
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Wait. Are you saying the Georgia House of Representatives is "a minor part-time state legislature"? In what way is it either?

Abrams was a state rep. for 10 years and was also the minority leader from 2011 to 2017. I'd call that government experience. It's not federal but it is government experience.
There you go!
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I don't think it's a big deal, and I'm not trying to bust your balls over this. I do think it's an interesting way to phrase it, though:

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Absolutely it's usual for politicians to appear on The View during election season.
That doesn't seem right. It's true that The View has about 217 episodes per year, which is probably enough to have most politicians on for at least one segment. But is that what actually happens? I'd be surprised if it was indeed usual for every candidate in every state-level election going on in the country to make an appearance on The View.
It would be impossible to bring ALL politicians onto the show and usually the candidates for the higher national positions appear. But if an interesting/unusual state race is occurring, candidates can appear, too.

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How you see that as unusual, I don't understand. People aren't interested in hearing what Joe Blow from Wyoming has to say. Except people in Wyoming
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Also, Abrams seems to think going public improves her chances. Do you think she's got a point? Or is she making a mistake, in your opinion?
I really have no opinion on that. Time will tell if she was right or wrong.
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Would that be Hong Kong?
Speaking of Hong Kong, is it just me or does anyone else think the way Trump says "Hong Kong" is weird? I can't explain it like we can with "Jy-ina" but it's just the weird way he kind of draws each word out.
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If Harris and Demings are ruled out due to LE background, and Abrams is in play despite thin resume, then maybe Keisha Lance Bottoms, mayor of Atlanta, is also in play.
I hadn't even thought about her but she owned the new cycle and more importantly, she owned Trump for a few hours today. I don't know much about her but a mayor of a major, American city with who battled Covid 19, police brutality and Trump, sounds like VP material to me.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
It would be impossible to bring ALL politicians onto the show and usually the candidates for the higher national positions appear. But if an interesting/unusual state race is occurring, candidates can appear, too.
That makes sense. Kind of what I expected, actually.

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I think it's perfectly usual for a TV show to bring on politicians who are unusually interesting in that election season. I just wouldn't describe it as being usual for politicians to appear on the show.
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LOL. I just realized:

ME: What makes Abrams unusual?

STACY: She appeared on The View, which isn't unusual.

ME: Really? It seems like it would be unusual.

STACY: Actually it is unusual.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Eisenhower, Taft, and Grant had no political experience at any level.

The following had only state government experience, no federal:

Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Coolidge
Franklin Roosevelt
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
FDR was Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913-20.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Eisenhower, Taft, and Grant had no political experience at any level.

The following had only state government experience, no federal:

Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Coolidge
Franklin Roosevelt
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush

As noted above, Eisenhower and Grant were supreme commanders so had to deal with national politics. Eisenhower lead a coalition of 27 different national armies, so had great experience of politics.

Of the rest of the list; Teddy Roosevelt, Carter, Reagan and Bush were military officers who dealt with both service politics, and national issues. Reagan and Carter were assigned to intensely political units. Reagan with the Battle of Hollywood, producing media for public influence, and Carter to the Nuclear Submarine program back when it was controversial both within the service, and with Congress.
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LOL. I just realized:

ME: What makes Abrams unusual?

STACY: She appeared on The View, which isn't unusual.

ME: Really? It seems like it would be unusual.

STACY: Actually it is unusual.
Complete misrepresentation.
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LOL. I just realized:

ME: What makes Abrams unusual?

STACY: She appeared on The View, which isn't unusual.

ME: Really? It seems like it would be unusual.

STACY: Actually it is unusual.
Hmmm....that's an 'interesting' take of our conversation. Not accurate, but interesting in the same way that Barr and Trump interpreted Mueller's report as a "complete exoneration" of Trump when Mueller said it did not exonerate him. I think I see why people go round and round with you.
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FDR was Assistant Secretary of the Navy from 1913-20.
Thank you. My source obviously had a couple of errors. But the rest of the list is accurate which still proves my point.
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As noted above, Eisenhower and Grant were supreme commanders so had to deal with national politics. Eisenhower lead a coalition of 27 different national armies, so had great experience of politics.
That is stretching "experience in politics" to the breaking point. They were not involved in anything but military matters. They were not involved during the wars in instituting policy, making laws, etc. They never voted in Congress for anything.


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Of the rest of the list; Teddy Roosevelt, Carter, Reagan and Bush were military officers who dealt with both service politics, and national issues. Reagan and Carter were assigned to intensely political units. Reagan with the Battle of Hollywood, producing media for public influence, and Carter to the Nuclear Submarine program back when it was controversial both within the service, and with Congress.Abrams' record fighting gerrymandering and voter suppression in Georgia is impressive.
Again, you are conflating military service and politics. Reagan was making war propaganda films (Battle of Hollywood?!) and Carter left the service as a mere lieutenant. Carter had nothing to do with the politics of nuclear submarines. He merely followed orders and he never even made it onto a nuclear sub. Hell, my husband spent more time on a nuclear sub than Carter.

Sorry, but you argument that military service is akin to political experience is weaker than tea made from the sixth soaking of a tea bag.
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Hmmm....that's an 'interesting' take of our conversation. Not accurate, but interesting in the same way that Barr and Trump interpreted Mueller's report as a "complete exoneration" of Trump when Mueller said it did not exonerate him. I think I see why people go round and round with you.
Only if they let him.
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