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Old 31st July 2020, 10:24 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris has given Jo his Remain-supporting younger brother, who quit as a minister last year in protest at government policy a peerage.
And another to Ian Botham. Who better to negotiate us through the minefield of Brexit than someone who was a great cricketer, but a lousy captain, 40 years ago?
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Evgeny Lebedev, too. After all, why shouldn't the son of a KGB officer be allowed to have a role in the governing of the UK, immediately after the publication of a report saying that Russia was trying to exert influence of the UK establishment and that there were concerns about the House of Lords?
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And Claire Fox who... Sorry I can't even pretend that's a good idea for piss taking purposes.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Evgeny Lebedev, too. After all, why shouldn't the son of a KGB officer be allowed to have a role in the governing of the UK, immediately after the publication of a report saying that Russia was trying to exert influence of the UK establishment and that there were concerns about the House of Lords?
I've not read the report, like my PM - perhaps Johnson has misunderstood what he has read in the few press clippings Cummings allows him to see? Johnson perhaps thinks the report was saying that there wasn't enough Russian influence in the Lords so Johnson decided to act on the "findings of the report" ...as he understands it...
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Grayling was, obviously, supposed to keep a lid on the Russia Report until *after* the KGB colonel’s son & the oligarch’s bagman had been put in the Lords.
Left with a choice between looking corrupt & not looking corrupt, Johnson has once again been true to form.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Grayling was, obviously, supposed to keep a lid on the Russia Report until *after* the KGB colonel’s son & the oligarch’s bagman had been put in the Lords.
Left with a choice between looking corrupt & not looking corrupt, Johnson has once again been true to form.
You have such a suspicious mind, it's a mere coincidence.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
You have such a suspicious mind, it's a mere coincidence.
With this government million to one chances happen nine times out of ten..
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Fear? Or jealousy? It is merely the extension of the English class system. It is endemic in English society. If you take the time to rise from the lower classes and obtain an education, then you must be torn down.
Well social mobility is at an all time low

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And when they achieve that, what will be the next excuse for failure? The UK depends on an army of brown people to bolster their economy. What will happen when they ban them?
Ban the Poles, Romanians, Belgians, Irish.... Find another out-group to blame.

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That would be the folks who still think they have an EMPIRE. Or that they even matter a whole lot. Those are wingnuts.
Oh yes. As a colleague of mine said about Brexit, "The Imperial delusion is still strong".
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris has given Jo his Remain-supporting younger brother, who quit as a minister last year in protest at government policy a peerage.
Ah yes, the House of Lords. Thank you for reminding me. Wasn't there someone here who harped on about "unelected elites" a while ago?
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And another to Ian Botham. Who better to negotiate us through the minefield of Brexit than someone who was a great cricketer, but a lousy captain, 40 years ago?
Ah yes, another little Englander.

Would this be a good time to discuss racism and ball tampering?
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What better way for Boris to say "**** you " to those of us concernaed about Russian interference in Brexit than giving a Russian a peerage.
Could the tosser have shown any more scorn for us plebs?
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https://twitter.com/MPIainDS/status/1290292766514135040

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Whilst the UK wants to have a good trade relationship with the EU as a sovereign state, the EU has different ideas. They want our money and they want to stop us being a competitor. The Withdrawal Agreement (WA) we signed last year sadly helps them. (1/3)

To avoid their own budget black hole, the EU gets £39billion as a “divorce payment” from us, reflecting our share of the current EU budget. But it gets worse. Buried in the fine print, unnoticed by many, is the fact we remain hooked into the EU’s loan book. (2/3)

You can't be half in the EU & half out, the problem is the WA. It costs too much & it denies us true national independence. This WA giving the EU future control over us has to go. Now Britain faces a £160billion #EU loans bill AFTER #Brexit (3/3)
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Iain Duncan Smith MP finally reads the Withdrawal Agreement and disagrees with it, 8 months after voting for it, and 9 months after insisting that 3 days was enough time to read and debate it.
It's even worse than that tweet would have it - it appears that he learnt what it was he voted for by reading about it in The Sun. If that doesn't show due diligence, I don't know what would.
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Number of UK citizens emigrating to EU has risen by 30% since Brexit vote.

If I was just 10 years younger I'd be going with them.
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Number of UK citizens emigrating to EU has risen by 30% since Brexit vote.

If I was just 10 years younger I'd be going with them.
True Brexiteers would consider them traitors and be glad to see the back of them
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True Brexiteers would consider them traitors and be glad to see the back of them
Something about rats abandoning... and then maybe not finish the sentence. One imagines the feeling will be mutual.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
https://twitter.com/MPIainDS/status/1290292766514135040



Article embedded in tweet.

https://twitter.com/Michael57930798/...25630388412416



It's even worse than that tweet would have it - it appears that he learnt what it was he voted for by reading about it in The Sun. If that doesn't show due diligence, I don't know what would.
Given it was a central plank of the Conservative Manifesto that got them an 80 seat majority, doesn't that make maintaining it "the will of the people"?
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Given it was a central plank of the Conservative Manifesto that got them an 80 seat majority, doesn't that make maintaining it "the will of the people"?
No. The Will Of The People is whatever whoever happens to be in power wants.
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Plans to install a “border in Kent” will create “more red tape” for businesses, the logistics industry has warned.

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The Department for Transport is consulting on a series of measures as part of Operation Brock contingency planning for possible disruption to cross-Channel trade when the Brexit transition period ends on December 31.

It is proposing to require hauliers driving to the Port of Dover or Eurotunnel, Folkestone to be in possession of a Kent Access Permit (KAP).
So essentially they are going to create a border in kent?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...17weJI?ocid=sf
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Plans to install a “border in Kent” will create “more red tape” for businesses, the logistics industry has warned.



So essentially they are going to create a border in kent?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...17weJI?ocid=sf
Clearly this is going to create a border around Kent, so there will need to be lorry parks around Kent in order to avoid congestion on the roads to Kent!
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Clearly this is going to create a border around Kent, so there will need to be lorry parks around Kent in order to avoid congestion on the roads to Kent!

The proposal seems to be to stifle trade to the point that no car parks are necessary. Obviously there are no negative consequences to this that they can predict.
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Clearly this is going to create a border around Kent, so there will need to be lorry parks around Kent in order to avoid congestion on the roads to Kent!
Nope. The brexiteers told us that could not possibly happen.

Oh, wait.
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I like that it's being phrased as "possible disruption" when the transition period ends. Possible.
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I like that it's being phrased as "possible disruption" when the transition period ends. Possible.
I suppose it's "possible" because some time in November or December the EU will finally come to their senses (under pressure from German car manufacturers and Italian Prosecco makers) and give the UK all the benefits of EU membership with none of the obligations.
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Plans to install a “border in Kent” will create “more red tape” for businesses, the logistics industry has warned.



So essentially they are going to create a border in kent?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...17weJI?ocid=sf


Wouldn’t it be simpler to just cede Kent to France?
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Wouldn’t it be simpler to just cede Kent to France?
IIRC they share many of the same town names so why not ?
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IIRC they share many of the same town names so why not ?

The Cinque Ports have always sounded suspiciously foreign.
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Julian Lewis who beat Chris Grayling to intelligence chair role had the Tory whip stripped from him.

A Tory MP arrested on suspicion of rape.... Nothing

This tells you everything you need to know about the morality of Boris Johnson.
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Julian Lewis who beat Chris Grayling to intelligence chair role had the Tory whip stripped from him.

A Tory MP arrested on suspicion of rape.... Nothing

This tells you everything you need to know about the morality of Boris Johnson.
As with the situation with President Trump in the US, loyalty to the leader is far more important than adhering to the law of the land - especially when that leader is ready to flout the law and/or look the other way when a loyal ally flouts the law.
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Julian Lewis who beat Chris Grayling to intelligence chair role had the Tory whip stripped from him.

A Tory MP arrested on suspicion of rape.... Nothing

This tells you everything you need to know about the morality of Boris Johnson.
This has been gone in to in some depth in the "Tory MP charged with rape" thread. Basically, if the whip were removed, that would be public knowledge. That being public knowledge would necessarily reveal his name to the public. This could a) hinder the investigation, b) harm a future trial if he is charged and the case brought to trial, and c) identify the victim.

Whether or not any of these are actual considerations ATM, not removing the whip at this juncture is actually the right thing to do.
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Worth noting wrt BJ's hopes of a US trade deal:

Trump demanded the previous highly successful and decades old trade deal with Canada (later expanded to include Mexico) be renegotiated. Just 1 month after the new trade deal came into effect Trump is looking to impose tariffs on Aluminum because US producers complained about imports.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/u-s-set-...orts-1.1476602



IOW Brexiters, if there are any left here, don't get your hopes up that a US trade deal would allow you to increase exports to the US, if that happens expect whatever deal you get to be ignored and tariffs imposed regardless of a trade deal.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Plans to install a “border in Kent” will create “more red tape” for businesses, the logistics industry has warned.



So essentially they are going to create a border in kent?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...17weJI?ocid=sf
I for one welcome your new Kentish overlords. Down with the Danes and all power to the Heptarchy!!!
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Nope. The brexiteers told us that could not possibly happen.

Oh, wait.
Where is our resident Brexiteer? He was around on Tuesday yet he has nothing to contribute.....
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Wouldn’t it be simpler to just cede Kent to France?
Well yes, if we go by history the Franks do get first go at pillaging Kent, followed by the Germans and then the Scots.
Unless you hand the place to the Italians.
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Worth noting wrt BJ's hopes of a US trade deal:

Trump demanded the previous highly successful and decades old trade deal with Canada (later expanded to include Mexico) be renegotiated. Just 1 month after the new trade deal came into effect Trump is looking to impose tariffs on Aluminum because US producers complained about imports.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/u-s-set-...orts-1.1476602



IOW Brexiters, if there are any left here, don't get your hopes up that a US trade deal would allow you to increase exports to the US, if that happens expect whatever deal you get to be ignored and tariffs imposed regardless of a trade deal.
Any US/UK trade deal will be designed to make it easier for the US to sell to the UK, not the other way round.
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News this morning that the Channel is full of little boats packed with migrants. The French are doing nothing to stop them. We need to raise this in the EU parliament asap. What????
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Any US/UK trade deal will be designed to make it easier for the US to sell to the UK, not the other way round.
The point of my post is that even in cases where the UK does have products are that attractive in the US market, if they start to gain market share in they are likely to face tariffs in spite of having a trade deal.

The deal itself will likely end up being one where the UK needs to drop it's standards to match that of the US or face competition from US products that are cheaper because they are made to a lower standard. If there are cases where the UK product has a lower standard, expect that to be considered a subsidy and face tariffs as a result.
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
News this morning that the Channel is full of little boats packed with migrants. The French are doing nothing to stop them. We need to raise this in the EU parliament asap. What????
Priti Patel went on record saying that she'd send in the Navy to stop the migrants. Because there's no better image for the Tories than warships firing missiles at rowboats full of children.
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Old 7th August 2020, 10:28 AM   #478
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Priti Patel went on record saying that she'd send in the Navy to stop the migrants.

So has she?
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Originally Posted by Mojo View Post
So has she?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgdhp

"Priti Patel’s plans to use the navy to tackle the growing number of migrants crossing the Channel from northern France would be unlawful and dangerous, lawyers have warned.

The home secretary told MPs she obtained legal advice that sending in the navy would be permitted under international maritime law. But one Ministry of Defence source told PA Media it was a “completely potty” idea. The French government has already told Britain it believes the move to be illegal."

So doesn't look like she has actually sent them in but she definitely wants to.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Priti Patel went on record saying that she'd send in the Navy to stop the migrants. Because there's no better image for the Tories than warships firing missiles at rowboats full of children.
See, I pointed this out ages ago. Years ago, even. The French have no reason to care anymore about about immigrants rocking up to UK shores because they are off their shores and the EU shores. Sayonara.

Should France or the EU come to a third countries rescue? Nope. They chose to leave. Not our problem anymore. It's the UK's problem.

I can predict that the Republic will become a route into NI and thence across the Irish sea. Happy to see them across the "open" border and out of my country much like France is. They will be queuing up at Larne. All heading for the "mainland" that the little Englander's are so desperate to defend.
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