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The Tories are stealing public money via phoney contracts for hundreds of millions of pounds to phoney companies set up by their friends, families and donors. This is what kleptocracy looks like and it's 4 years until the next election.
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I don’t really see it that way. There is a core base who think crazy right wing polices are working and another core base who can see these ridiculous polies are not working and think that if you change the leader but keep all the crazy policies they will suddenly start to work. Neither group is ever going to vote for anyone else no matter how incompetent and repugnant “their side” is, because “the other side is worse”. The “other side is worse” because they oppose the crazy, unworkably and offensive polices.
The UK has the same problem. Eg May legitimately tried her best to take the pile of ***** that was Brexit and negotiate a real agreement around it. This failed because there is no version of Brexit that is as good for the UK as remaining in the EU but instead of recognizing the basic policy was flawed Conservatives doubled down and put in a new leader who promised even stricter adherence to eh stupid policy idea. When BJ fails, they will blame him for “not doing it right” and find someone as bad or worse to pursue the same doomed polices. |
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There's definitely a part of me curious to see what a trade deal negotiated by Trump and Johnson would actually look like. So please, universe if you're listening, if we absolutely must have such a deal, let Johnson and Trump co-author the actual text personally, and then let us all read it.
I expect determining by the language which of the two wrote which bit would be as difficult as determining by Sue Storm's haircut whether a particular scene in Josh Trank's Fan4stic was a re-shoot or not. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Where are all the Brexiteers? Shouldn't they be here telling us how wonderful Brexit will be?
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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To be fair, May didn't exactly help herself by unilaterally adding all those red lines, that made it near impossible to reach any kind of agreement with the EU, other than a hard brexit.
Johnson ran for leadership on a promise of using his charm and force of personality to negotiate an even better agreement for the UK, while maintaining the same red lines. I'm not convinced the EU, having stated for so long that they were not going to reopen negotiations, then allowed for some small tweaks, which Johnson then sold as proof that the EU would buckle under pressure. |
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Peter Hitchens published an article a few days ago saying basically the same - that the left control every stratum of power. It's the "Deep State" given a new hat.
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Minette Batters of the National Farmers Union says For Boris Johnson "to sign up to a trade deal which results in opening our ports, shelves & fridges to food which would be illegal to produce here would not only be morally bankrupt, it would be the work of the insane."
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And yet the farmers voted en-masse for Brexit. I'm finding it difficult to drum up too much sympathy.
![]() OTOH I am very concerned about food standards but I suppose hundreds of thousands of extra cases of food poisoning and a thousand extra deaths a year is a price worth paying for the blue passports it turns out we could have had all along if we were that bothered about it ![]() I suppose the large farming companies will be bought off with generous subsidies and the small farms will just go out of business making second homes so much cheaper for the urban wealth creators |
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Farmer's are overwhelmingly Tory.
they were lied to by the party they support and fell for it. |
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I am not sure they bought the lies rather they bought the jingoism of the leave campaign and imagined that rules would be changed to benefit them without putting any thought into how the world and trade deals work or the weak position the UK would be in.
Perhaps more a case of not thinking rather than believing what was put out. I have a farmer friend who sends his sheep to the EU who voted leave and is now facing 30%+ tariffs on a no deal WTO brexit. Doh! |
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To be fair, he's not really arguing for going back to coal for electricity generation, but for:
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Although we should be moving away from coal for steel, and we should cut back on cement/concrete use anyway. And we should really cut back on home use as well. I should also add that a new coal mine was approved end of last year in Cumbria for coking coal. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-50274212 I'm not defending him, as we should be looking at alternatives, but there will be demand for coal in the UK, even at though its less than what it was. |
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We still have coal, it's not mined though, it comes from open cast.
Heritage Railways need hard, low clinker, low sulfur coal. Soft coal breaks up and small fragments and dust gets lifted by the draught depositing in the fire tubes and smokebox, this reduces gas flow and heat transfer and reduces steaming. Clinker clogs the firebars reducing air flow and sulfur causes erosion of fire tubes and boiler tube plates. Welsh coal was the best, current UK coal isn't suitable. It comes from Poland now. |
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Those red lines reflected what Brexit supporters wanted and expected. Remember, I’m not saying that she could have done something better than what the UK is getting now. I’m saying that trying to implement the policies Brexit supporters and the political right want was never going to work, any honest attempt to make them work was always doomed to fail.
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UK farmers generally bought into the notion the UK would be able to sell the EU products that couldn’t be produced legally in the EU. I don’t know why it would surprise them find out that the people who thought this could happen are fine with importing US made products that couldn’t be made legally in the UK.
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Boris Johnson's father is in the process of applying for a French passport to maintain his ties with Europe after Brexit.
Stanley Johnson, a former MEP who voted Remain in the referendum, has requested to become a French citizen as his mother Irene was born in Versailles. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9416636.html |
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Exactly. The nation voted by a massive 52 to 48 to get off the EU plane as it didn't like the imagined destination. And that's as good as saying we wanted to jump without a parachute. But don't worry because we'll knit a wonderful parachute before we jump. Oh. I mean after we jump, while we plummet. And a vote for Boris is a vote for absolutely not moving the ground further away to give us more time. Look at the people down there on the ground: they're fine, so what's the problem? And if we finish our knitting, which will be easy, remember not to touch the ripcord, because the EU will cave in any second now. Any second now. Any second.
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“Leave” voters voted to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted the red lines (and other things) but didn’t want the consequences. Exactly what they were voting for still isn’t clear because it included things that were mutually exclusive from the start. I think there is no real world deal that would have won that referendum.
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How is the hiring and training of new border inspectors going with COVID? And is there going to be a hard Irish border on the 1st?
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Brexit is on course to cost the UK more than its combined total of payments to the European Union budget over the past 47 years.
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