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You might have heard plenty of loud voices, but I look at people like my In-Laws, they won't have watched, listened or read anything online, their view of the 'debate' will have come from The Telegraph (which has fed them thirty years of insidious poison pen stories about the EU) and, as a secondary source, the BBC which gave equal airtime to both sides and did very little on air fact checking. Yes they went with the exceptionalist outlook, but they didn't invent that outlook for themselves, there was decades of groundwork before the leave vote.
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#162 |
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One of the primary drivers for Brexit was to "gain control of our borders" and stopping the UK being swamped by Turks and others of a darkish hue.
We're ruining our economy and international reputation to achieve this and then suddenly, we're going to give 3 million people from Hong Kong British passports:
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It's OK we are apparently going to build 'Hong Kong Mk2' to stick them all in either on the Humber, Clyde or top of Scotland.
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Jacob Rees-Mogg Tweets
It is really happening, we are taking back control. Quote Tweet Priti Patel @pritipatel Historic moment just now in House of Commons. @Conservatives voted to end free movement, take back control and introduce a points-based immigration system. @UKLabour did not. Their leadership may have changed, but their determination to deny the will of the people hasn't. |
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Heard a Chinese spokesperson who was quite clear in saying we wouldn't actually do this. Seems sad when it is a spokesperson for a brutal regime that speaks truth about your country!
Mind you this is government back to business as usual the problem has been solved - they've made an announcement and that is as ever all they think they need to do to "fix" anything. |
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First details emerge of system for checks on goods crossing Irish Sea
HMRC document shows firms in Great Britain will be obliged to complete three types of electronic paperwork https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sing-irish-sea 2016, Vote Leave to get rid of red tape 2019, There will be no forms to fill in between NI and GB 2020, Don’t forget to fill in your customs code form and the security declaration form and the Transit Accompanying Form, etc etc |
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The account is back now, but no tweets are loading.
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The last entry:
There was a co-ordinated attack on my Twitter password and now my DM's are filling up with loads of attack posts by Brexit supporters including threats to me and my wife. |
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Boris in LBC radio interview says he is confident of a 'very good deal' but if there isn't one we still have the "very good option" of "an Australian style arrangement"
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Rebranding no-deal...
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Looks like the account was deleted as it was all fake;
https://twitter.com/katebevan/status...47105180119049 |
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The slightly odd thing about it is the idea that people believing, based on the last few years, that (some) Brexiters can be that that daft and unrealistic is a slur on the people who believed it rather than an indication of how low our expectations have become due to what we've seen said and done.
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Leave Alliance tweeted
The Leave Alliance @LeaveHQ These days I'm heavily sceptical of #Brexit and the mess it will surely be, but we are where we are primarily because we had to fight for it three times. Voting in good faith in a referendum wasn't enough. Remainers own this mess as much as the Tories. |
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Is there anything sadder than seeing a butthurt leave campaign organisation crying about how Brexit is going to be rubbish now because of remainers making Boris Johnson prime minister?
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they seem upset even though they got what they wanted.
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To be fair, most did not get what they wanted.
It's not their fault that the evil remainers did not get them the cake they were promised they could have and eat as well. |
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Dominic Raab
@DominicRaab Today I will introduce a sanctions regime that will target people who have committed the gravest human rights violations. Global Britain will be an even stronger force for good in the world, in the years ahead. |
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Exactly. If only the evil remainers had not forced Farage et al to immediately step back they would have negotiated the 'True Deal'.
Now it looks like they had no plan, no strategy and no clue. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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I honestly think that most Brexiteers are deluded enough to think that if they were in charge of process then Johnny (or Jacques or Johann) Foreigner would have recognised their innate superiority and agreed to all of their terms.
As a result Brexit would have been a resounding success if they had been allowed to lead it. Because we have (so far) failed to secure the trade deal they want, anyone involved with the negotiation must be a Remoaner fifth-columnist regardless of their professed enthusiasm for Brexit. |
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This unpleasantness could all have been avoided if we had just appointed a proper Leaver to negotiate with those dreadful Europeans in the first place. Someone like Brexit Bulldog David Davis would have been ideal. He would simply and clearly have told Johnny Foreigner what our requirements were and they would meekly have conceded to his obvious natural authority.
Oh, wait. Maybe I mean he would be lazy and useless and the result would be a catastrophe. Yes, I think that's what I meant. |
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That's an excellent point, I cannot imagine why he was never allowed any kind of role in the Brexit negotiations. Instead they put some lazy ****-wit in charge who had a reputation for being as thick as mince and who reportedly only worked a couple of days a week. I can't remember his name for the life of me........
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One of the relatively few pieces of good news regarding manufacturing post-Brexit was that Ineos were intending to manufacture their new 4x4, the Grenadier (which IMO looks like a Land Rover Defender 110 in a fake moustache and glasses) next to the Ford engine works in Bridgend.
Ineos founder and CEO Sir Jim Ratcliffe is pro-Brexit and so this was an important example of someone putting their money where their mouth is (unlike other Brexit proponents who seem to be relocating their businesses overseas). Now it seems that other alternatives have presented themselves.
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Personally, I think that getting into vehicle manufacturing when there is huge global over-capacity was a pretty poor business decision in any case but doing so in a country with so few trade deals seemed foolhardy to say the least. Nothing is cast in stone at the moment, but IMO it doesn't look good for Bridgend ![]() |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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