Walking down the street while black

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Disturbing surveillance video from New York City shows a young black man, without warning, pushing over a 92-year-old white woman in broad daylight, her head narrowly missing a fire hydrant and she fell hard to the sidewalk.

The black attacker walked away nonchalantly after knocking the elderly white woman down, at one point staring back at her as he continued walking.
 
He's been arrested. Clearly an unpleasant individual but since I don't see any attempt to defend him is there really anything to discuss?
 
P.J. Denyer said:
He's been arrested. Clearly an unpleasant individual but since I don't see any attempt to defend him is there really anything to discuss?
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Update verifying P.J. Denyers claim here.

The suspect involved in pushing the 92-year-old female in Manhattan has been APPREHENDED," said NYPD NEWS Twitter.

According to Fox 5, the suspect was a 31-year-old man from the Bronx and is charged with assault, the department said.
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I think there is some discussion to be had from this.

I'd like to discuss the fact that he casually pushed her without any concern whatsoever that he would be brought to book. He does not give one **** about attacking her, it's almost an afterthought! This flies in the face of recent editorials telling us that simply living while black in the US is a hazardous situation. This adult doesn't seem to live in the same bubble of fear.

If a cop had of committed this act during a riot/protest wouldn't we be screaming for his/her head (not simply saying, he's been arrested, let it go)? Wouldn't some of our residents be advocating for attempted murder and not the measly assault charge that has been made?

Why can't a 92 year old woman walk down a street in NY without being assaulted and then see that assault be hand waved off in such a casual way here?

Is the suspect, 31-year-old Rashid Brimmage, another victim of US authorities, acting out in the only way he can? He reportedly has more than 100 prior arrests (how many are trumped up) - is he the spineless cowardly scum he seems according to this footage or is yet another result of the way POC are treated in the US.
 
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bluesjnr said:
Update verifying P.J. Denyers claim here.



I think there is some discussion to be had from this.

I'd like to discuss the fact that he casually pushed her without any concern whatsoever that he would be brought to book. He does not give one **** about attacking her, it's almost an afterthought! This flies in the face of recent editorials telling us that simply living while black in the US is a hazardous situation. This adult doesn't seem to live in the same bubble of fear.

If a cop had of committed this act during a riot/protest wouldn't we be screaming for his/her head (not simply saying, he's been arrested, let it go)? Wouldn't some of our residents be advocating for attempted murder and not the measly assault charge that has been made?

Why can't a 92 year old woman walk down a street in NY without being assaulted and then see that assault be hand waved off in such a casual way here?

Is the suspect, 31-year-old Rashid Brimmage, another victim of US authorities, acting out in the only way he can? He reportedly has more than 100 prior arrests (how many are trumped up) - is he the spineless cowardly scum he seems according to this footage or is yet another result of the way POC are treated in the US.
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Yes, truly no difference between street crime and armed agents of the state brutalizing the public.
 
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bluesjnr said:
Who said this?
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Me, just now.

I am contributing to this thread about the very important issue of brutes who commit crimes and get investigated and arrested swiftly. It's actually just as bad as when cops kill and get paid leave.

I am very smart.
 
I'm confused.

A black man did a bad, violent thing and was accordingly arrested. Maybe he did it out of racism, maybe he was drunk, who knows. Any way you slice it, it was bad. Now he's being charged with assault, as anyone who committed the same act should be. What does this have to do with the police?
 
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P.J. Denyer said:
He's been arrested. Clearly an unpleasant individual but since I don't see any attempt to defend him is there really anything to discuss?
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The contentious issue on a #LWB thread is rarely someone trying to defend racist acts. The issue is almost always "is this an example of racism, or should we be questioning the narrative and starting assumptions?"

Many, many commenters start with the assumption that a white instigator must unquestionably be motivated by racism. So should we assume that this black guy was also motivated by racism, or do we handwave him away as just an "unpleasant individual" and nothing to see here? If we handwave his motivations here, why do we not handwave BBQ Becky's? Why is Becky not just an "unpleasant individual" and similarly ignored? The subtext is that we should expect/tolerate this in one direction and howl to the moon in the other. Which smacks of having higher behavioral standards for one of those groups. And that's pretty messed up, when you are claiming to restore dignity to the other.
 
Thermal said:
The contentious issue on a #LWB thread is rarely someone trying to defend racist acts. The issue is almost always "is this an example of racism, or should we be questioning the narrative and starting assumptions?"

Many, many commenters start with the assumption that a white instigator must unquestionably be motivated by racism. So should we assume that this black guy was also motivated by racism, or do we handwave him away as just an "unpleasant individual" and nothing to see here? If we handwave his motivations here, why do we not handwave BBQ Becky's? Why is Becky not just an "unpleasant individual" and similarly ignored? The subtext is that we should expect/tolerate this in one direction and howl to the moon in the other. Which smacks of having higher behavioral standards for one of those groups. And that's pretty messed up, when you are claiming to restore dignity to the other.
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Well put.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Disturbing surveillance video from New York City shows a young black man, without warning, pushing over a 92-year-old white woman in broad daylight, her head narrowly missing a fire hydrant and she fell hard to the sidewalk.

The black attacker walked away nonchalantly after knocking the elderly white woman down, at one point staring back at her as he continued walking.
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DEFUND BLACK PEOPLE!
 
I disagree. Because everyone across the board agrees this guy’s behavior is simply criminal and they’re glad he was arrested and we can pretty safely presume he’s going to be successfully tried and held accountable for his criminal action here.

The typical LWB thread will have pages worth of people explaining away the actions of the Beckys and armed cops and vigilantes, along with the people either partially or fully condemning their actions.

It really is different. There really is no consensus that there are ANY people besides actual full-on KKK card carrying self-avowed racists out there being racist, the way that there is a consensus that some are just criminals for no good reason. The lengths people will go to not see racism are astounding, even compared to the lengths people will go to see ‘how do you know Becky wouldn’t do the same thing to a party of white people’ type statements as apologism.

Even in the joke replies here nobody said “how do you know this guy wouldn’t have pushed over a 90 year old black lady?”
 
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Thermal said:
The contentious issue on a #LWB thread is rarely someone trying to defend racist acts. The issue is almost always "is this an example of racism, or should we be questioning the narrative and starting assumptions?"

Many, many commenters start with the assumption that a white instigator must unquestionably be motivated by racism. So should we assume that this black guy was also motivated by racism, or do we handwave him away as just an "unpleasant individual" and nothing to see here? If we handwave his motivations here, why do we not handwave BBQ Becky's? Why is Becky not just an "unpleasant individual" and similarly ignored? The subtext is that we should expect/tolerate this in one direction and howl to the moon in the other. Which smacks of having higher behavioral standards for one of those groups. And that's pretty messed up, when you are claiming to restore dignity to the other.
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Exactly.

Imagine the video had captured a white guy doing the same to a black woman. Do you think we would have been likely to see the clip on CNN? Would it have been used as yet another example of discrimination against POC from whites? Would there be a national conversation about it? Would the woman's name be painted in murals across the cities of America as a symbol of the oppressed?

OK, maybe I got a little carried away with the last one. But I think those types of questions would be generally answered in the affirmative.
 
Thermal said:
The contentious issue on a #LWB thread is rarely someone trying to defend racist acts. The issue is almost always "is this an example of racism, or should we be questioning the narrative and starting assumptions?"

Many, many commenters start with the assumption that a white instigator must unquestionably be motivated by racism. So should we assume that this black guy was also motivated by racism, or do we handwave him away as just an "unpleasant individual" and nothing to see here? If we handwave his motivations here, why do we not handwave BBQ Becky's? Why is Becky not just an "unpleasant individual" and similarly ignored? The subtext is that we should expect/tolerate this in one direction and howl to the moon in the other. Which smacks of having higher behavioral standards for one of those groups. And that's pretty messed up, when you are claiming to restore dignity to the other.
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Like how statistics show that driving while black really means that blacks are universally terrible drivers. Because there is no way that that broad a percentage of the police forces could possibly be racist. So statistics prove that blacks suck at driving.

I mean seriously otherwise there would be some kind of pervasive racism in american culture and that is right out of the question.
 
He seems to smack her in the face and she falls down. Not sure if pushes her down is the right description. It might be a slap. It's more quick and casual than a push. A push with intent to send her to the ground would look different, I think.
 
Lithrael said:
I disagree. Because everyone across the board agrees this guy’s behavior is simply criminal and they’re glad he was arrested and we can pretty safely presume he’s going to be successfully tried and held accountable for his criminal action here.

The typical LWB thread will have pages worth of people explaining away the actions of the Beckys and armed cops and vigilantes, along with the people either partially or fully condemning their actions.

It really is different. There really is no consensus that there are ANY people besides actual full-on KKK card carrying self-avowed racists out there being racist, the way that there is a consensus that some are just criminals for no good reason. The lengths people will go to not see racism are astounding, even compared to the lengths people will go to see ‘how do you know Becky wouldn’t do the same thing to a party of white people’ type statements as apologism.

Even in the joke replies here nobody said “how do you know this guy wouldn’t have pushed over a 90 year old black lady?”
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You're on the wrong dichotomy. The question on an #LWB thread is almost never "is what happened justified or right/wrong?" It is "is this an example of racism, or of a narrative being tacked on?"

BBQ Becky, to some of us, was an example of the typical busybody. Were all participants white, I would think it would have played out identically. That's a third argument, not Pro-racist v Anti-racist. This shouldn't have to be explained on each and every "There's only two sides here mister" discussion.
 
Lithrael said:
Even in the joke replies here nobody said “how do you know this guy wouldn’t have pushed over a 90 year old black lady?”
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And there are definitely no people analysing the video frame by frame in order to find a way to cast her as the bad guy and him as a hero.
 
A very disturbing video, but there are actually a remarkable number of videos of this exact type. Constantly. It's often an older person but probably more frequently it'll be a younger victim.

Sometimes it's one assailant, sometimes about 4 or 5.

I've seen so many videos which fit this exact profile, it's not even funny.

Never seen one in the reverse. Ever.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
And there are definitely no people analysing the video frame by frame in order to find a way to cast her as the bad guy and him as a hero.
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Yeah I don't see any fan fiction. Crazy.

He did a wrong thing. He obviously did a wrong thing. He was punished without having to have protests and riots over it. Funny how that works.

I think the attempt at a "Gotcha" backfired pretty bad.

Now to watch the flustering "No... that's totally not what we were doing and that's not the point we were trying to make!" routine. Should be good for a laugh.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
And there are definitely no people analysing the video frame by frame in order to find a way to cast her as the bad guy and him as a hero.
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You may not have meant to, but you hit it on the head.

This guy: just an unpleasant person.

BBQ Becky: well you see she is a manifestation of generations of latent racial bias, even though we know Jack **** about her personally. You see, statistically in the United States going back generations, of which this woman is unquestionably an ideological representative of...
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Me, just now.

I am contributing to this thread about the very important issue of brutes who commit crimes and get investigated and arrested swiftly. It's actually just as bad as when cops kill and get paid leave.

I am very smart.
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Ah, okay. Can you tell me in what way being arrested swiftly and cops on paid leave after killing is "just as bad"?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah I don't see any fan fiction. Crazy.

He did a wrong thing. He obviously did a wrong thing. He was punished without having to have protests and riots over it. Funny how that works.

I think the attempt at a "Gotcha" backfired pretty bad.

Now to watch the flustering "No... that's totally not what we were doing and that's not the point we were trying to make!" routine. Should be good for a laugh.
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You are correct.
We all see the racist man committing a racist act. It is impossible that he is not a racist, and that he was not acting out of racism.
 
Distracted1 said:
You are correct.
We all see the racist man committing a racist act. It is impossible that he is not a racist, and that he was not acting out of racism.
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Or... you can keep living in a fantasy world if that works better for you.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
And there are definitely no people analysing the video frame by frame in order to find a way to cast her as the bad guy and him as a hero.
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She is supposed to stay at least 6 feet away from him but she doesn't. She gets a short sharp smack to the face to remind her that we are all living in a Covid world.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Yea promoting racism not fascism is the point of this thread. It is about the criminality of all blacks not comparing them to the theoretical criminality of our noble law enforcement.
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Who was, up to your response, "promoting racism"?

How has this thread about a hooligan casually assaulting an elderly lady become about the theoretical criminality of [y]our noble law enforcement?
 
Manger Douse said:
Perhaps he's applying to join the police?
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He's still a novice and has a lot to learn. The police approved way to brutalize the elderly is a sharp push from the front to the torso. You're never going to get the same head bounce from a sideways shove to the face.
 
The video isn't clear enough to show if she is wearing a MAGA shirt. And without audio we can't know if she yelled out, "MAGA!" with an ancient and wretched voice right before she was addressed by the young man.
 
In some cases the argument might have legs. BBQ Becky could just Be Like That. But they ALL get argued like that. As though nobody notices the incredibly low rates of cops getting charged, much less convicted for the kind of stuff they pull, or stuff like how the vigilantes who shot and killed that guy after they botched trying to citizen’s arrest him on suspicion of trespassing, were in no way immediately arrested.

OK at the end of the day I personally don’t even care if racism is the reason or part of the reason it keeps going down like this. It’s got to stop going down like this. And it sure the heck looks like racism is a big part of it.

Lip service to Not All Racism though: White mentally ill people also get thoroughly ****** by the police. Do black mentally ill have it worse? How hard would I have to look to find a thread where a mentally ill black guy gets shot, and someone complains it’s racist, and someone else complains about it being called racist because white mentally ill people get shot too much too? And then we get to watch everyone ignore a short lecture on intersectionality.
 
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D'you know what I don't think he was racially motivated in that attack. I think he's just a piece of ****, cowardly little **** who is unable to stem his violent urges.

He's mental and jail/prison time ain't gonna change him.
 
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