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Old 19th June 2020, 08:12 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Dog whistle? I don't understand why it'd be so in this instance, but then I wasn't aware of the word "juneteenth" until yesterday.
Maybe it's because you're not a White Supremacist and you can't hear the whistle. Perhaps?
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Old 19th June 2020, 08:44 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Maybe it's because you're not a White Supremacist and you can't hear the whistle. Perhaps?
More like, because I'm not an American and I had no idea what Juneteeth was. Still don't, really.
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Old 19th June 2020, 08:48 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
More like, because I'm not an American and I had no idea what Juneteeth was. Still don't, really.
Maybe it's a Canada thing because you seem pretty clued up on things generally but even I've heard of Juneteenth and it's not something celebrated in Wales.

Edited to add.....

In terms of knowing what it is, Dr Keith summarised it pretty well a few posts ago..

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
the Wall is a Trump, not a Conservative policy.

If you take a 2008 or 2012 Party Platform, you will find a lot more sanity than what Trump has foisted on the GOP.

But yeah, it requires a ludicrous degree of ignorance to think that Trump's policies would appeal to Black voters.
The Trump Campaign knows this, which is why they hire actors from minorities to stand behind him at the Rallies, in best view of the cameras.
Exactly.

If you look, you can find many conservatives railing against Trump. The National Review has been called over the last 60 plus years the Conservative's Bible. There have been article after article for the last 5 years trashing Trump. They endorsed Ted Cruz for President and didn't endorse Trump even after he was nominated. Trump has no overriding political principle. Only in himself.
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Old 19th June 2020, 08:59 AM   #165
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Trump understands the difference between people who don't like him and people who are actually meaningful, functional obstacles to getting what he wants. That's wh Susan Collins can be "very concerned" all she wants and he doesn't care, he knows she's going to vote in his favor when she gets done hemming and hawing.

He doesn't give two tin whistle farts if 99.99% of Republicans hate his guts if they still let him get his way.

The amount of power he's managed to amass while being so utterly hated would be admirable in other circumstances.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Trump understands the difference between people who don't like him and people who are actually meaningful, functional obstacles to getting what he wants. That's wh Susan Collins can be "very concerned" all she wants and he doesn't care, he knows she's going to vote in his favor when she gets done hemming and hawing.

He doesn't give two tin whistle farts if 99.99% of Republicans hate his guts if they still let him get his way.

The amount of power he's managed to amass while being so utterly hated would be admirable in other circumstances.
Uh, which circumstances, exactly?

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Old 19th June 2020, 09:05 AM   #167
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Uh, which circumstances, exactly?

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I just mean that it's vaguely impressive in a world where just being pleasant to be around is so much of an advantage, not that it was admirable in some moral sense.
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It would be nice if the US had a President that did not kick off his re-election campaign with threats of violence.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/polit...ers/index.html
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Old 19th June 2020, 09:17 AM   #169
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
More like, because I'm not an American and I had no idea what Juneteeth was. Still don't, really.
I'm not sure that many Americans knew what it was either. Juneteenth is the date commemorating Union army general Gordon Granger announcing federal orders in Galveston, Texas, on June 19, 1865, proclaiming that all people held as slaves in Texas were free.[6] Although the Emancipation Proclamation had officially freed them almost two and a half years earlier, and the American Civil War had largely ended with the defeat of the Confederate States in April, Texas was the most remote of the slave states, with a low presence of Union troops, so enforcement of the proclamation had been slow and inconsistent.[6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth

That the Trump administration chose this date for their rally in itself isn't the Dog Whistle, it is where the rally is being held coinciding with that date. Tulsa.

Tulsa is the location of the worst known racial violence in America. The Tulsa race massacre of 1921, a two-day explosion of violence in which white Oklahomans killed hundreds of African-Americans and burned businesses in a prosperous district known as "Black Wall Street." The bloody attack is considered "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history," according to the Oklahoma Historical Society.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/...apter-n1069426
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Old 19th June 2020, 09:17 AM   #170
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
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There are tweets from Trump under his own name that were not written by him...
I would bet that not one of those twenty or so Tweets today about DOT money allocation were written by him.
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Wow, I was three pages behind in the thread again.

The rally date and the red triangle things were absolutely intentional, but not by Trump himself. He's simply not that aware. It might be Miller but I think more likely someone in the campaign.
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CNN responded to Trump's fake toddler video and closed with "Be Better"! Awesome.
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Old 19th June 2020, 09:36 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Even guys who don't do politics are capable of citing reputable sources. As opposed to citing rubbish sources. Constantly.
Attack the arguer not the argument. Attack the news venue not the article.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Wow, I was three pages behind in the thread again.

The rally date and the red triangle things were absolutely intentional, but not by Trump himself. He's simply not that aware. It might be Miller but I think more likely someone in the campaign.
You're probably right it might not be Miller. But given Miller's history and high profile position, do we really think he is the only hard core racist in the Trump administration?
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I'm not sure that many Americans knew what it was either. Juneteenth is the date commemorating Union army general Gordon Granger announcing federal orders in Galveston, Texas, on June 19, 1865, proclaiming that all people held as slaves in Texas were free.[6] Although the Emancipation Proclamation had officially freed them almost two and a half years earlier, and the American Civil War had largely ended with the defeat of the Confederate States in April, Texas was the most remote of the slave states, with a low presence of Union troops, so enforcement of the proclamation had been slow and inconsistent.[6]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juneteenth

That the Trump administration chose this date for their rally in itself isn't the Dog Whistle, it is where the rally is being held coinciding with that date. Tulsa.

Tulsa is the location of the worst known racial violence in America. The Tulsa race massacre of 1921, a two-day explosion of violence in which white Oklahomans killed hundreds of African-Americans and burned businesses in a prosperous district known as "Black Wall Street." The bloody attack is considered "the single worst incident of racial violence in American history," according to the Oklahoma Historical Society.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/...apter-n1069426
I knew of the Tulsa massacre but I wasn't aware of the rest of the tapestry here. Thanks.
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Attack the arguer not the argument. Attack the news venue not the article.
A feeble defense for your practice of constantly foisting crap data sources. Sources so crappy that readers need to confirm facts elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"I don't do politics" is the single most disingenuous lie someone can tell in a world where everything, up to and including base concepts like "There are facts" is politicized.
Maybe it would be more understandable if I said I don't do Republican or Democrat or Independent or Libertarian.

A friend says that in the political realm I am a hermaphrodite. I didn't disagree but said okay as long as that's not a political party. I thought he was actually very good at evaluating me because the term hermaphrodite isn't about being Centrist and it isn't really one thing or another. The hermaphrodite is everything at once and yet is difficult to describe or predict or maybe even understand at all. And you don't tell a hermaphrodite that they need to make up their mind and decide what they are.
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I knew of the Tulsa massacre but I wasn't aware of the rest of the tapestry here. Thanks.
In a way Trump is right. Trump is making Juneteenth famous. Not that it was intention. Juneteenth had been a holiday celebrated almost entirely by people of color and unknown to most of us that aren't. There is now serious discussion of making it a National holiday.
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Why are the Democrats allowed to make fake and fraudulent ads. They should be called out. They did nothing when they had the chance. I have done FAR more than any President in first 3 1/2 years!

The Democrats are doing totally false advertising. They have done NOTHING for years, including when Sleepy Joe was V.P., and they now have a Fake ad that my China Deal is losing us jobs. Opposite, & China is paying us $BILLIONS. Also, I LOVE Seniors & protect Preexisting C’s.

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Tony Fauci has nothing to do with NFL Football. They are planning a very safe and controlled opening. However, if they don’t stand for our National Anthem and our Great American Flag, I won’t be watching!!!
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Attack the arguer not the argument.
Pointing out that someone is citing garbage sources IS addressing the argument instead of the arguer.

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Attack the news venue not the article.
If a news venue is known for frequently presenting falsehoods, it calls into question anything they assert as facts, and therefor disqualifies them as a source of facts on which you can base an argument.
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Pointing out that someone is citing garbage sources IS addressing the argument instead of the arguer.



If a news venue is known for frequently presenting falsehoods, it calls into question anything they assert as facts, and therefor disqualifies them as a source of facts on which you can base an argument.
It's usually breaking news that I cite from Daily Mail. I have not found them to be presenting falsehoods or errors that would make them garbage as compared to other news agencies. When there are errors these same errors can often be found in other breaking news venues.
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Tony Fauci has nothing to do with NFL Football. They are planning a very safe and controlled opening. However, if they don’t stand for our National Anthem and our Great American Flag, I won’t be watching!!!
Expect another “Celebration of America” type event when the season starts.
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It's usually breaking news that I cite from Daily Mail. I have not found them to be presenting falsehoods or errors that would make them garbage as compared to other news agencies. When there are errors these same errors can often be found in other breaking news venues.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

Factual Reporting ranked as "Low".
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Expect another “Celebration of America” type event when the season starts.
I hope so because that will blow up in his face. The players will humiliate him.
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I think you mean loose-cannon police organisations. When entire SWAT units resign over the treatment of police

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ts-good-start/



Many police unions also need utterly disbanding.
You would think the Republicans would be up for a bit of union busting.
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You're probably right it might not be Miller. But given Miller's history and high profile position, do we really think he is the only hard core racist in the Trump administration?
I don't know how that related to my post, but Miller is most certainly not the only hard core racist in the administration, nor probably even the most hard core. Trump tries to surround himself with people who think like him. Probably even more racists in the campaign than in the administration, being that they are less visible.
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Factual Reporting ranked as "Low".
That's only because they said that Richard Gere put a gerbil in his butt. They were half right.
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Don't forget at this "level" resignation and sacking are pretty much synonymous, I'm presuming a judge is allowed to resign?
Why would a liberal judge resign at this point? Remember, unless one of them dies between now and the inauguration (if even that late), there is no opening. A liberal judge is not going to resign knowing that Trump an McConnell would push through a right wing judge. No one can 'sack' a SC judge. There are three things that can create an opening:
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"I don't do politics" is the single most disingenuous lie someone can tell in a world where everything, up to and including base concepts like "There are facts" is politicized.
And from a guy who for a while was calling out anybody who posted what he considered "off topic" posts in a thread....
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That's only because they said that Richard Gere put a gerbil in his butt. They were half right.
that's not the "only" reason, as the provided link shows.
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Maybe it would be more understandable if I said I don't do Republican or Democrat or Independent or Libertarian.

A friend says that in the political realm I am a hermaphrodite. I didn't disagree but said okay as long as that's not a political party. I thought he was actually very good at evaluating me because the term hermaphrodite isn't about being Centrist and it isn't really one thing or another. The hermaphrodite is everything at once and yet is difficult to describe or predict or maybe even understand at all. And you don't tell a hermaphrodite that they need to make up their mind and decide what they are.
Sorry, I don't get your pont. I don't speak Gibberish.
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Maybe it would be more understandable if I said I don't do Republican or Democrat or Independent or Libertarian.

A friend says that in the political realm I am a hermaphrodite. I didn't disagree but said okay as long as that's not a political party. I thought he was actually very good at evaluating me because the term hermaphrodite isn't about being Centrist and it isn't really one thing or another. The hermaphrodite is everything at once and yet is difficult to describe or predict or maybe even understand at all. And you don't tell a hermaphrodite that they need to make up their mind and decide what they are.
Oh please. Look who you're talking to.

There's a difference between "Political categorizations are largely arbitrary and just ranking people on where they fall on some Left to Right spectrum and labeling the parts is largely a waste of time" and your sad little "LOL facts don't exist, all sources are biased" routine.

You're not a centrist or a free thinker or some sort of "Labels don't apply to me" hipster. You're just yet another bog standard nihilistic contrarian hiding behind an appeal to openness in a place already filled to the brim with me.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And from a guy who for a while was calling out anybody who posted what he considered "off topic" posts in a thread....
You must be talking about me reporting posts that are in violation of a Mod Box Warning. The Covid disease and science thread where you dropped partisan politics cluster bomb blitzes.
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Why would a liberal judge resign at this point? Remember, unless one of them dies between now and the inauguration (if even that late), there is no opening. A liberal judge is not going to resign knowing that Trump an McConnell would push through a right wing judge. No one can 'sack' a SC judge. There are three things that can create an opening:
1. A judge dies
2. A judge retires/resigns voluntarily
3. A judge is impeached

Trump has zero ability to sack/force to resign a SC judge.
I can however imagine an older conservative jurist resigning. Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito might be talked into resigning just so they can put in some 40 year old right winger to keep the balance of the court represented by troglodytes for decades to come. As much as the left is afraid of Ginsburg dying the right's nightmare is Trump loses Ginsburg steps aside and Alito and or Thomas kick the bucket.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!
So Trump is threatening ANY protester, peaceful or not? I got news for this Orange Turd, peaceful protesters have the right to assemble under the Constitution. I don't think another Lafayette Square is going to go down well with Americans.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Oh please. Look who you're talking to.

There's a difference between "Political categorizations are largely arbitrary and just ranking people on where they fall on some Left to Right spectrum and labeling the parts is largely a waste of time" and your sad little "LOL facts don't exist, all sources are biased" routine.

You're not a centrist or a free thinker or some sort of "Labels don't apply to me" hipster. You're just yet another bog standard nihilistic contrarian hiding behind an appeal to openness in a place already filled to the brim with me.
What a terrible thing I be.

ETA: And a pox upon this forum. I be.
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Yeah in the future can we maybe, just maybe, not put the entire hopes and dreams of us continuing to live in a functioning democracy entirely on the hope that an 87 year old 3 time cancer survivor can continue not dying.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
What a terrible thing I be.
Glibness is neither an answer nor a defense.
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