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Old 5th July 2020, 01:56 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
I know that it’s tone trolling or whatever, and I promise to only say it this one time. Can we please not wish that anyone, anywhere gets a potentially deadly virus? If nothing else, they aid on the spread that may get someone that you don’t want to get sick.
As much as it pains me, Carlitos is right. Trump supporters might spread the virus to people.
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Old 5th July 2020, 02:28 PM   #202
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As much as it pains me, Carlitos is right. Trump supporters might spread the virus to people the human population.
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CNN's Dana Bash: You said in 2014 that Obama showed "failed leadership" with Ebola, when only 2 Americans died. Would you say Trump's showed failed leadership with coronavirus as 130,000 Americans have died?

Sen. Joni Ernst: "No, I think that the president is stepping forward"
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Old 5th July 2020, 02:53 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Ah, murica. Where using mask is political issue, not medical advice.
Wedge politics at its finest. Take any issue. Turn it into a political one and then divide everyone on party lines.
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Old 5th July 2020, 04:45 PM   #205
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CNN's Dana Bash: You said in 2014 that Obama showed "failed leadership" with Ebola, when only 2 Americans died. Would you say Trump's showed failed leadership with coronavirus as 130,000 Americans have died?

Sen. Joni Ernst: "No, I think that the president is stepping forward"
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Old 6th July 2020, 01:21 PM   #206
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If there's a vaccine, you won't be able to afford it.
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Yes, of course, Americans’ health is priceless, and reining in a deadly virus that has trashed the economy would be invaluable.

But a Covid-19 vaccine will have an actual price tag. And given the prevailing business-centric model of American drug pricing, it could well be budget breaking, perhaps making it unavailable to many.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/o...cine-cost.html
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If there's a vaccine, you won't be able to afford it.

Yes, of course, Americans’ health is priceless, and reining in a deadly virus that has trashed the economy would be invaluable.

But a Covid-19 vaccine will have an actual price tag. And given the prevailing business-centric model of American drug pricing, it could well be budget breaking, perhaps making it unavailable to many.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/o...cine-cost.html
I am a little more optimistic...

I think the fact that there are so many vaccine candidates in multiple countries in the world (and more than 1 of them look like they might show some potential) means that there will likely be some competition in the vaccine market. That should keep prices in check (to at least some degree).
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You really think Trump is going to allow a non-American vaccine to be approved for use in the US?
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Old 6th July 2020, 05:50 PM   #209
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You really think Trump is going to allow a non-American vaccine to be approved for use in the US?
If our foreign allies and adversaries have any self-respect, they will refuse to allow their vaccines to be shipped to the U.S. Payback's a bitch.
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Originally Posted by jnelso99 View Post
You really think Trump is going to allow a non-American vaccine to be approved for use in the US?
You think Trump gives a rip about 'made in America'? Of course not, that's just lip service.

If there's a vaccine available anywhere, he's going to want two things: A vaccine for himself**, and something that will get the economy going before Nov.

**And maybe vaccine he can give cronies as a benefit for doing right by Trump.
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Old 6th July 2020, 06:26 PM   #211
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You really think Trump is going to allow a non-American vaccine to be approved for use in the US?
Yes. Because seeing other countries get vaccinated for Covid19 while the pandemic rages on in the US would probably be more embarrassing to trump than importing a non-american vaccine.

2 other points:
- even if trump doesn't bring in foreign vaccines, there are still multiple vaccine candidates in the u.s. itself that should allow competition
- trump may not be president past January 2021, and I don't think Biden will object to foreign vaccines

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Old 6th July 2020, 07:50 PM   #212
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You really think Trump is going to allow a non-American vaccine to be approved for use in the US?
I don't think that will be an issue because I doubt a viable vaccine will be available before January 20.
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I don't think that will be an issue because I doubt a viable vaccine will be available before January 20.
The crucial date is Nov 3. After that, if Trump is to be sent packing, he'll spitefully **** everyone over. And if he should somehow win, he still won't give a rat's arse.
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CNN's Dana Bash: You said in 2014 that Obama showed "failed leadership" with Ebola, when only 2 Americans died. Would you say Trump's showed failed leadership with coronavirus as 130,000 Americans have died?

Sen. Joni Ernst: "No, I think that the president is stepping forward"
Trump walked up to the edge of a cliff and is stepping forward. This analogy don’t just work for COVID-19, it’s been the story of his presidency.
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Trump walked up to the edge of a cliff and is stepping forward. This analogy don’t just work for COVID-19, it’s been the story of his presidency.
....and yet 40% of Americans polled (and 90%+ of Republicans) think he's doing a fine job. Perhaps they just have a completely different set of values and hence a different set of things they're looking for in a President.
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I beginning to think Trump is knows he's going to lose the election and has decided to just burn the country.
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I know that it’s tone trolling or whatever, and I promise to only say it this one time. Can we please not wish that anyone, anywhere gets a potentially deadly virus? If nothing else, they aid on the spread that may get someone that you don’t want to get sick.
Fair enough, I recognize the risk that they might spread it to decent people.
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Just watched a bit (couldn't take much more than that), of the Trump sycophant and denialists back to school meeting. Clearly they were all chosen because they have a favorable view of opening schools back up in the fall.

DeVos was there to rant against public schools.

I missed what Birx had to say, probably nothing new.

I don't think even half the group had masks on and some of them took them off. Trump, Pence and their wives did not have masks on. They were not 6 feet apart but it looked like Trump had quite a bit of distance between himself and the meeting members. And there was no handshake and meet Trump at the end of the roundtable. Trump and Melanie were out the door before anyone else could leave.

I posted this in the Sweden thread: Trump is claiming we've done reopening right, that's why we're better off than Sweden.

Trump also claimed Harvard not committing to opening in the fall showed their weakness, and he added "disgusting." So I guess if you don't go out and put yourself at needless risk that makes you a disgusting coward. Cadet Bone Spurs certainly knows that first hand. But this is not a military war.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
...Trump is claiming we've done reopening right, that's why we're better off than Sweden...
We are?
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Yes. Because seeing other countries get vaccinated for Covid19 while the pandemic rages on in the US would probably be more embarrassing to trump than importing a non-american vaccine.


What would be even better is if Canada and Mexico got together to offer free vaccinations for Americans.


Or at least people who can show they're registered Democrats.
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Old 8th July 2020, 02:18 PM   #222
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Just watched a bit (couldn't take much more than that), of the Trump sycophant and denialists back to school meeting. Clearly they were all chosen because they have a favorable view of opening schools back up in the fall...
NBC News was right.
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NBC News and other sources are reporting the trump White House will be rolling out a new message for Americans next this week about coronavirus. Basically it sounds like, don't worry so much.
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Eager to move forward and reopen the economy amid a recession and a looming presidential election, the White House is now pushing acceptance. "The virus is with us, but we need to live with it," is how one official said the administration plans to message on the pandemic. NBC News
Yesterday new case numbers were triple what they were three weeks ago. Meanwhile, with the virus seemingly surging, many state officials are deeply concerned with how to protect school age children while ensuring they continue their education. It's a very difficult problem. It's not a difficult problem for trump. he wants the schools open to help his reelection bid and since he could care less about other people's kids (he seems to barely care about his own) the decision is easy. Some kids will get sick, maybe a lot of kids, some will probably die. I'm sure he doesn't see that as a problem. He certainly doesn't address it. I'm sure he accepts the fact, there's an epidemic, to get everything rolling again some people have to be sacrificed.
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I have to wonder if the military branches have an official uniform mask.
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I have to wonder if the military branches have an official uniform mask.
‘No skull and crossbones’: Here’s how the six services are implementing military face mask guidance

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The Army, Air Force and Navy have all indicated they would be providing official uniform masks. Until then, they and the other services have outlined options that meet some basic requirements.
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Rebel Flag masks! Yee-Haw!

Meanwhile, the very, very, low death rate was higher yesterday than any time since late June.

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trump wants the schools reopened in the Fall. The scary part is, trump doesn't seem to take any particular interest in his own son. Why would he care about other people's kids?
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In a daylong series of conference calls and public events at the White House, the president, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and other senior officials opened a concerted campaign to lean on governors, mayors and others to resume classes in person months after more than 50 million children were abruptly ejected from school buildings in March. Mr. Trump and his administration argued that the social, psychological and educational costs of keeping children at home any longer would be worse than the virus itself. But they offered no concrete proposals or new financial assistance to states and localities struggling to restructure academic settings, staffs and programs that were never intended to keep children six feet apart or cope with the requirements of combating a virus that has killed more than 130,000 Americans. New York Times
How many times has trump predicted the coronavirus will "disappear?" Does the chart below look like it's 'fading away?'
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
trump wants the schools reopened in the Fall. The scary part is, trump doesn't seem to take any particular interest in his own son. Why would he care about other people's kids?


How many times has trump predicted the coronavirus will "disappear?" Does the chart below look like it's 'fading away?'
Just look at all the Mooslim ********* on that list! Sharia Virus!

Seriously, my wife asked me pretty much the same this morning. Why does he care if the schools reopen? It's because, like everything else, it's all and only about him. Somebody suggested to him that the D's want to keep the schools closed to make him look bad and he swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker.

Oh, and his kid and grandkids aren't going to public schools anyway. Republicans HATE public schools, because they teach evil subjects like science and history; and are funded by taxes!
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Rebel Flag masks! Yee-Haw!


Less commitment than a face tattoo, but same effect for most of us.
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I am a little more optimistic...



I think the fact that there are so many vaccine candidates in multiple countries in the world (and more than 1 of them look like they might show some potential) means that there will likely be some competition in the vaccine market. That should keep prices in check (to at least some degree).
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We are?
They aren't citing Sweden as the model of responses anymore for some reason.
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trump wants the schools reopened in the Fall. The scary part is, trump doesn't seem to take any particular interest in his own son. Why would he care about other people's kids?
I'm far less concerned about the kids themselves given that bad outcomes are very unlikely for them, and I would hope parents of kids at particular risk would keep their kids isolated. The problem is that schools, especially at the pre-high school levels, will end up with every student and school employee infected, followed by every parent, followed by pretty much everyone else. That's exactly why schools closed so fast in the first place. Social distancing simply isn't possible in most public schools. Anyone claiming otherwise is either abysmally stupid, politically motivated, or both.

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Is it April yet? Because then, like a miracle, it'll just disappear.
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Meanwhile Melbourne presents and example of open schools. Sorry if this is a duplicate link. I see a reference to "Mooslims" upthread.

102 COVID cases, 2,300 close contacts: Principal of Melbourne school in lockdown breaks silence
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The principal of an independent P-12 Islamic school in Melbourne’s west, which is at the centre of one of Victoria’s largest coronavirus clusters, has broken his silence.

Omar Hallak, principal at Al-Taqwa College in Truganina, has remained tight-lipped since the school reported its first case of COVID-19 on June 27, 11 days ago.

As of Wednesday, the total number of cases linked to the school cluster had risen to 102.

Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Dr Brett Sutton confirmed the entire school was in lockdown, as health authorities were treating 2,300 staff and students as close contacts.
Not sure how many of those are high school kids.
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Is it April yet? Because then, like a miracle, it'll just disappear.
he didn't say which April, now did he?
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And I see stories about overflowing hospitals and ppe shortages. In America. Us and Brazil. Are we great again yet?
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One of the reasons: Tulsa Official: Trump Rally 'Likely' Caused COVID-19 Surge (Time, July 8, 2020)
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
The scary part is, trump doesn't seem to take any particular interest in his own son.

Eric?!
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Rebel Flag masks! Yee-Haw!

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India on Thursday reported nearly 25,000 new coronavirus infections, as the disease continued its ominous spread through the nation of nearly 1.4 billion people. The virus is showing no signs of slowing in the worst-affected countries: the United States, Brazil and India. The three nations are accounting for more than 60% of new cases, according to recent tallies from Johns Hopkins University. The U.S. reported nearly 59,000 new daily cases, just short of the record 60,000 cases set a day earlier, as President Donald Trump insisted that schools reopen in the fall. Time Magazine
The United States lumped in with Brazil and India. Ironically, trump has expressed admiration for the leaders of both nations, Bolsonaro and Modi. Bolsonaro is himself infected.
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President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, who has railed against social distancing measures and repeatedly downplayed the threat of the coronavirus as the epidemic in his country became the second-worst in the world [behind the U.S.], said Tuesday that he, too, had been infected. New York Times
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