Hey CTists, Antivaxxers, and Depopulation Conspiracy Theorists

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I think this applies to the anti-China; anti-Russia paranoiacs too.


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"...nowhere in your "depopulation agenda" do you bother to mention obvious crises of human erasure, like perpetual war, economic sanctions, entrenched poverty, mass-displacement, the climate crisis, or the fracturing social and health effects of unprecedented wealth inequality.

"Nah, all that only harms poor and minority people, so that's all dandy... but what really gets you lot going, what's "really dystopian" is the possibility that you may have to get vaccinated against a deadly virus at some point in the future."

"That surveillance state you're worried about? It's so advanced that it is already used to create accurate psychological profiles via social media data, which are used to manipulate public opinion; one task of which is to create fringe communities to poison public discourse with unhinged conspiracy: YOU are those people.

"Have you ever wondered why you, the rebellious anti-authoritarian truth crusaders, happen to be totally aligned with the executive branch of the most powerful military empire on the planet? (Hint: It's because you're not rebelling against anything).

"There are real crises to worry about."


(Part of a post seen on Facebook today.

By Adam Idek Hastie.)
 
Orphia Nay said:
I think this applies to the anti-China; anti-Russia paranoiacs too.


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"...nowhere in your "depopulation agenda" do you bother to mention obvious crises of human erasure, like perpetual war, economic sanctions, entrenched poverty, mass-displacement, the climate crisis, or the fracturing social and health effects of unprecedented wealth inequality.

"Nah, all that only harms poor and minority people, so that's all dandy... but what really gets you lot going, what's "really dystopian" is the possibility that you may have to get vaccinated against a deadly virus at some point in the future."

"That surveillance state you're worried about? It's so advanced that it is already used to create accurate psychological profiles via social media data, which are used to manipulate public opinion; one task of which is to create fringe communities to poison public discourse with unhinged conspiracy: YOU are those people.

"Have you ever wondered why you, the rebellious anti-authoritarian truth crusaders, happen to be totally aligned with the executive branch of the most powerful military empire on the planet? (Hint: It's because you're not rebelling against anything).

"There are real crises to worry about."


(Part of a post seen on Facebook today.

By Adam Idek Hastie.)
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No soup for you.


Try applying your typically ill informed claim to those who saw today's mess coming, in the fifties and sixties, and wrote about it, correctly describing what now unfolds around us.
 
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Bubba said:
No soup for you.


Try applying your typically ill informed claim to those who saw today's mess coming, in the fifties and sixties, and wrote about it, correctly describing what now unfolds around us.
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Who where those people and what did they write?
 
Orphia Nay said:
I think this applies to the anti-China; anti-Russia paranoiacs too.


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"...nowhere in your "depopulation agenda" do you bother to mention obvious crises of human erasure, like perpetual war, economic sanctions, entrenched poverty, mass-displacement, the climate crisis, or the fracturing social and health effects of unprecedented wealth inequality.
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I'm a NWO conspiracy theorist, and I've mentioned all of those things, with the exception of the fake Rothschild IPCC sponsored "climate crisis".

"Nah, all that only harms poor and minority people, so that's all dandy... but what really gets you lot going, what's "really dystopian" is the possibility that you may have to get vaccinated against a deadly virus at some point in the future."
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Of course, you have to imply that conspiracy theorists, and probably anyone who disagrees with you are racist, uncaring people, and of course virtue signal your own moral superiority.

"That surveillance state you're worried about? It's so advanced that it is already used to create accurate psychological profiles via social media data, which are used to manipulate public opinion; one task of which is to create fringe communities to poison public discourse with unhinged conspiracy: YOU are those people.
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Given that I've been a conspiracy theorist since the early nineties, before the advent of social media, I find that unlikely. "Unhinged" is an adjective that less applies to me or people like me, and more to the baying woke mobs of 2020.

"Have you ever wondered why you, the rebellious anti-authoritarian truth crusaders, happen to be totally aligned with the executive branch of the most powerful military empire on the planet? (Hint: It's because you're not rebelling against anything).

"There are real crises to worry about."


(Part of a post seen on Facebook today.

By Adam Idek Hastie.)
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Except, that's not true. I'm opposed to the real cause of the wealth disparity that you speak of, which is the fiat money/fractional reserve banking system which ensures that no matter what happens in the real world, the super rich and their corporate stock and bond markets can never truly lose. Of course, it's much more fashionable, and contains far more virtue signability to just blame almost non-existent racism. This makes you and those like you feel so much better, and you get constant confirmation from the media that you're a good person.

Good luck with that.
 
Tippit said:
Except, that's not true. I'm opposed to the real cause of the wealth disparity that you speak of, which is the fiat money/fractional reserve banking system which ensures that no matter what happens in the real world, the super rich and their corporate stock and bond markets can never truly lose. Of course, it's much more fashionable, and contains far more virtue signability to just blame almost non-existent racism. This makes you and those like you feel so much better, and you get constant confirmation from the media that you're a good person.

Good luck with that.
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Actually she has proven to be a good person when it comes to helping out people of her own persuasion. But as you say she apparently still needs confirmation that she is a good person, and that goes by "calling out" people the system tells her are bad people. It's a very strange mechanism but it works. Orphia Nay actually makes herself less good by pretending to be above people that hold believes she was made to believe are inferior to her own, while she isn't above them.
 
Great to see a couple of reasonable articulate posts from informed sane minds !

Gotta wonder if they help the disinformed and snarksters gain an inkling of how manipulative false narratives have them constantly fooled and tooled.
 
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Tippit said:
Orphia Nay said:
I think this applies to the anti-China; anti-Russia paranoiacs too.


Quote:


"...nowhere in your "depopulation agenda" do you bother to mention obvious crises of human erasure, like perpetual war, economic sanctions, entrenched poverty, mass-displacement, the climate crisis, or the fracturing social and health effects of unprecedented wealth inequality.
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I'm a NWO conspiracy theorist, and I've mentioned all of those things, with the exception of the fake Rothschild IPCC sponsored "climate crisis".

"Nah, all that only harms poor and minority people, so that's all dandy... but what really gets you lot going, what's "really dystopian" is the possibility that you may have to get vaccinated against a deadly virus at some point in the future."
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Of course, you have to imply that conspiracy theorists, and probably anyone who disagrees with you are racist, uncaring people, and of course virtue signal your own moral superiority.

"That surveillance state you're worried about? It's so advanced that it is already used to create accurate psychological profiles via social media data, which are used to manipulate public opinion; one task of which is to create fringe communities to poison public discourse with unhinged conspiracy: YOU are those people.
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Given that I've been a conspiracy theorist since the early nineties, before the advent of social media, I find that unlikely. "Unhinged" is an adjective that less applies to me or people like me, and more to the baying woke mobs of 2020.

"Have you ever wondered why you, the rebellious anti-authoritarian truth crusaders, happen to be totally aligned with the executive branch of the most powerful military empire on the planet? (Hint: It's because you're not rebelling against anything).

"There are real crises to worry about."


(Part of a post seen on Facebook today.

By Adam Idek Hastie.)
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Except, that's not true. I'm opposed to the real cause of the wealth disparity that you speak of, which is the fiat money/fractional reserve banking system which ensures that no matter what happens in the real world, the super rich and their corporate stock and bond markets can never truly lose. Of course, it's much more fashionable, and contains far more virtue signability to just blame almost non-existent racism. This makes you and those like you feel so much better, and you get constant confirmation from the media that you're a good person.

Good luck with that.
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You got a lot wrong about me, you agreed with some important things, but are still a bit extreme and negative about the scheme of things.

I didn't write it.

The main point with you is:

Think outside your box.

The US feeds you your fear of the stock market, wars, and to some extent the virus/vaccines, and you and the herd panic-buy and spread more fear, or, "create fringe communities to poison public discourse with unhinged conspiracy".

Still, you may be an exceptional example of the typical newbie fear-ravaged CTist/antivaxxer. You've been here a long time.

I've looked into the super-rich. Who are you thinking of?

Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson, The Zuckerbergs, The Rothschilds, Jack (Twitter); they all do amazing things in philanthropy.

The climate crises is sponsored by the Rothschilds? Tell that to my friends who are climate & environment monitors working in a remote little part here in Australia trying to avoid more drought with no funding.

You'll have to rephrase your point on racism. It makes me cry and I can't see a point if it's simple.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Actually she has proven to be a good person when it comes to helping out people of her own persuasion. But as you say she apparently still needs confirmation that she is a good person, and that goes by "calling out" people the system tells her are bad people. It's a very strange mechanism but it works. Orphia Nay actually makes herself less good by pretending to be above people that hold believes she was made to believe are inferior to her own, while she isn't above them.
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Certain events of late have changed that a bit, but thanks for your opinion.

In the past year I've lost the rabid fears of Russia, China, and the hatred of Trump/Republicans.

In fact, earlier today I was checking out RT for news. I thought of you at the time and thought it would give you a chuckle to see I looked there for something less biased than The Guardian and The New York Times which have been annoying me for quite some time.

What else should I work on next?
 
Orphia Nay said:
Certain events of late have changed that a bit, but thanks for your opinion.

In the past year I've lost the rabid fears of Russia, China, and the hatred of Trump/Republicans.

In fact, earlier today I was checking out RT for news. I thought of you at the time and thought it would give you a chuckle to see I looked there for something less biased than The Guardian and The New York Times which have been annoying me for quite some time.

What else should I work on next?
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Well, the idea that I am watching RT or other "enemy channels" the whole time is nonsensical. The German RT is a website and a weekly half-hour show on Youtube. I do watch that show occasionally because it is well-made and provides what it claims. The translated title is "the missing part", meaning the part that is missing in German mainstream news about what is going on in Russia. I never watch the English-language RT TV-Channel.

But I never watch TV at all because I literally took a hammer and destroyed it around 17 years ago, back when it had a tube. The best thing you can do for your mental health is to do as I did. Make it as bold as possible. :)
 
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The climate crises is sponsored by the Rothschilds? Tell that to my friends who are climate & environment monitors working in a remote little part here in Australia trying to avoid more drought with no funding.
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Causing a crisis is one thing, and 'sponsoring a crisis' is another.

The roles of the sun and other 'space weather' are under reported. They'd rather blame you and I for warming and change, because tax, control, etc etc.

Shortly before Greta and a certain IPCC meeting, the U.N. parent agency of IPCC quietly mentioned something about space weather contributing to climate change. "Quietly", meaning media didnt report it much loudly, as one might anticipate

Another elephant in the room sized hole in the data is the unknown factor of how seabed thermal venting warms the atmosphere at the ocean surface.

Many climate scientists say findings on warming's cause are flawed, premature and politicized.

Unlike finding that nature is more so responsible than we are for climate change, blaming people, prematurely or not, opens doors for tax and control measures tougher to sell if nature is found to be the main culprit.
 
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Bubba said:
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Try applying your typically ill informed claim to those who saw today's mess coming, in the fifties and sixties, and wrote about it, correctly describing what now unfolds around us.
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1950s, and 1960s? Did you mean the 70s and 90s?
Bubba said:
There were quite a few. Here's two.

None Dare Call It Conspiracy
Gary Allen


Behold a Pale Horse
Milton William Cooper
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two conspiracy theorists, where are the extraterrestrials?

Cooper, and his ETs... oh my, the extraterrestrials made him a tax evader?
"Behold a Pale Horse", oops published 1991, missed it by 30 to 40 years.

Allen and his NWO coming... "None Dare Call It Conspiracy", published 1971, not the 50s, not the 60s : got any more?

No soup for you.
NEXT!
 
Orphia Nay said:
I think this applies to the anti-China; anti-Russia paranoiacs too.


Quote:


"...nowhere in your "depopulation agenda" do you bother to mention obvious crises of human erasure, like perpetual war, economic sanctions, entrenched poverty, mass-displacement, the climate crisis, or the fracturing social and health effects of unprecedented wealth inequality.
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Too mainstream. CTers nowadays seem to mostly want to be edgy contrarians. They don't want to be seen pushing anything Everyone Else already agree with. They want to be the special snowflakes who have figured out things Everyone Else don't get because they're too naive, narrow-minded, or brainwashed.

(Part of a post seen on Facebook today.

By Adam Idek Hastie.)
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Sorry, but if you see something somewhere on the web and decidwe to copy and paste, shouldn't you at least link back to the original post, if only so we can read the whole post?
 
Bubba said:
Causing a crisis is one thing, and 'sponsoring a crisis' is another.

The roles of the sun and other 'space weather' are under reported. They'd rather blame you and I for warming and change, because tax, control, etc etc.
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It wasn't reported because it is crap:

https://www.sws.bom.gov.au/Educational/1/3/3

In the current epoch, the Sun is the source of most variations in our near space environment. These variations are called "space weather" and affect a variety of technological systems both ground and space based. Space weather does not appear to cause immediate and direct effects in the troposphere or biosphere of the planet. However, we have reason to expect that space weather might be more significant for the biosphere in the longer term.

Small variations in total solar irradiance have been detected from satellite based radiometers over the last 20 years. These variations appear too small in amplitude and have too short a period to be a factor in recent climate changes. Studies of other Sun-type stars indicate that larger variations in irradiance, of the order required to affect climate on Earth, do occur on Sun-like stars. Some claims of historical climatic effects, resulting from solar irradiance variations, have been made from statistical correlations with various solar indices.
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Short of a large asteroid extraterrestrial factors contribute little to our current condition. Geology, archaeology, and other sciences back this statement up.


Another elephant in the room sized hole in the data is the unknown factor of how seabed thermal venting warms the atmosphere at the ocean surface.
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Bad news - it doesn't.

The water column at all of the plate boundaries where you find black smokers and vents is extensively layered (or deep). Mixing occurs defusing the heat. The ocean's temperature is regulated by the polar ice caps and the submarine rivers of pure water from melted ice. These rivers are the spinal tide of the earth.

The article which you've misquoted related to vast pockets of CO2 which could - COULD - be released by hydrothermal vents:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/02/190213090812.htm

This was a single research paper from last year and discusses geological history.

Many climate scientists say findings on warming's cause are flawed, premature and politicized.
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3% of scientists is not "many".

Unlike finding that nature is more so responsible than we are for climate change, blaming people, prematurely or not, opens doors for tax and control measures tougher to sell if nature is found to be the main culprit.
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This is because politicians are as clueless as you are about this branch of science. Wait until next year when the environmental push turns to building MORE nuclear power plants worldwide. The nutjobs will loose their mud.
 
Axxman300 said:
It wasn't reported because it is crap:

https://www.sws.bom.gov.au/Educational/1/3/3



Short of a large asteroid extraterrestrial factors contribute little to our current condition. Geology, archaeology, and other sciences back this statement up.




Bad news - it doesn't.

The water column at all of the plate boundaries where you find black smokers and vents is extensively layered (or deep). Mixing occurs defusing the heat. The ocean's temperature is regulated by the polar ice caps and the submarine rivers of pure water from melted ice. These rivers are the spinal tide of the earth.

The article which you've misquoted related to vast pockets of CO2 which could - COULD - be released by hydrothermal vents:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/02/190213090812.htm

This was a single research paper from last year and discusses geological history.



3% of scientists is not "many".



This is because politicians are as clueless as you are about this branch of science. Wait until next year when the environmental push turns to building MORE nuclear power plants worldwide. The nutjobs will loose their mud.
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a) Seabed vents heat the water. Its a factor. Without the vents heating, the ocean and atmosphere would be cooler.

b) Since that factor's number is unknown, you're not right.

c) You may receive a B+, after you correct your paper by admitting this.


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Is 500 scientists 'many' ?

500 Climate Scientists Write To UN: There Is No Climate Emergency

https://energycentral.com/c/cp/500-climate-scientists-write-un-there-no-climate-emergency
 
https://climatefeedback.org/claimre...-by-500-experts-on-climate-science-breitbart/

" The article gives the impression that these 500 signatories are scientists or experts in the field of climate science, but in reality very few have any research experience related to climate change. Most of the signers are engineers, business professionals, or study non-climate topics in other academic fields: signatories in unrelated fields such as philosophy, medicine, and law together outnumbered climate scientists approximately six to one. Many are associated with advocacy groups that oppose the conclusions of climate science, like the Heartland Institute."
 
Bubba said:
a) Seabed vents heat the water. Its a factor. Without the vents heating, the ocean and atmosphere would be cooler.
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I think our oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere and our sun would disagree. Especially since the vents have been active for billions of years, and in that time the earth's surface has been incredibly hot, and dominated by ice ages.

If you want to be a self-centered tool it is your right as an American, just don't try to hide behind science to justify your behavior because you don't seem to grasp it in a meaningful way.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, the idea that I am watching RT or other "enemy channels" the whole time is nonsensical. The German RT is a website and a weekly half-hour show on Youtube. I do watch that show occasionally because it is well-made and provides what it claims. The translated title is "the missing part", meaning the part that is missing in German mainstream news about what is going on in Russia. I never watch the English-language RT TV-Channel.

But I never watch TV at all because I literally took a hammer and destroyed it around 17 years ago, back when it had a tube. The best thing you can do for your mental health is to do as I did. Make it as bold as possible. :)
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I was remembering probably 10 years ago when you used to get abused for citing RT.

And hahahaha I never watch TV. I was talking about the online site. I literally don't have a TV. I think someone now uses it for a gaming monitor.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Sorry, but if you see something somewhere on the web and decide to copy and paste, shouldn't you at least link back to the original post, if only so we can read the whole post?
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We have (or had?) a rule that says you can't link to any social media (whatever that is these days).


Safe-Keeper said:
Too mainstream. CTers nowadays seem to mostly want to be edgy contrarians. They don't want to be seen pushing anything Everyone Else already agree with. They want to be the special snowflakes who have figured out things Everyone Else don't get because they're too naive, narrow-minded, or brainwashed.
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Yes, we all do, not just those pushing conspiracy theories, which I liken to doom and gloom.

I was enlightened by a discussion on that not long ago. The person said paranoia is really just worry... worry about things that haven't happened, and might not.

I now think that CTists just really believe bad things will happen and haven't enough hope they won't.

(With a whole lot of justifications and factoids thrown into the mix, of course.)
 
Axxman300 said:
I think our oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere and our sun would disagree. Especially since the vents have been active for billions of years, and in that time the earth's surface has been incredibly hot, and dominated by ice ages.

If you want to be a self-centered tool it is your right as an American, just don't try to hide behind science to justify your behavior because you don't seem to grasp it in a meaningful way.
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Earlier, with your "Mixing occurs defusing the heat" you admitted ocean temp is a factor. Cooling and heating of the atmosphere by the sea, and vice versa, is happening 24/7, wherever they meet.

When your mixed defused heat reaches the interface as an unmeasured factor, it is a wild card. We dont have that data.

I know, I know, of course you knew that. I'm pretty sure you meant to include it when you tried to help earlier
 
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Orphia Nay said:
We have (or had?) a rule that says you can't link to any social media (whatever that is these days).




Yes, we all do, not just those pushing conspiracy theories, which I liken to doom and gloom.

I was enlightened by a discussion on that not long ago. The person said paranoia is really just worry... worry about things that haven't happened, and might not.

I now think that CTists just really believe bad things will happen and haven't enough hope they won't.

(With a whole lot of justifications and factoids thrown into the mix, of course.)
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Oh.

...and all this time I thought it was about ferreting out, exposing, and prosecuting crooks and liars
 
Bubba said:
Oh.

...and all this time I thought it was about ferreting out, exposing, and prosecuting crooks and liars
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I wasn't aware people admitted to being conspiracy theorists, it being a derogatory term.

I know differently now.

You're one?
 
Orphia Nay said:
I wasn't aware people admitted to being conspiracy theorists, it being a derogatory term.

I know differently now.
You're one?
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Do you work alone, or are you a spy hired by Beachnut & Axxman?

Some think it was coined to be a derogatory term. The movie Conspiracy Theory advanced that cutely where Mel Gibson played Mr Nutty Paranoid, as if Hollywood would promote a clown ish agency narrative, every now and then.

How on earth did a nice girl like you wind up at "I know differently now" ? Do you have any idea of the peril such talk puts you in ?
 
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Bubba said:
Do you work alone, or are you a spy hired by Beachnut & Axxman?

Some think it was coined to be a derogatory term. The movie Conspiracy Theory advanced that cutely where Mel Gibson played Mr Nutty Paranoid, as if Hollywood would promote a clown ish agency narrative, every now and then.

How on earth did a nice girl like you wind up at "I know differently now" ? Do you have any idea of the peril such talk puts you in ?
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I think you are assuming too much of me being on a side. There isn't one division or fence. There are millions of topics.

I follow the evidence and look for others' and my own biases.
 
Bubba said:
Some think it was coined to be a derogatory term. The movie Conspiracy Theory advanced that cutely where Mel Gibson played Mr Nutty Paranoid, as if Hollywood would promote a clown ish agency narrative, every now and then.
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The simple counter to this narrative to this, of course, would be to produce factual documentaries, solidly researched and containing actual evidence , which would show how these theories are actually based in reality. All we have now is David Icke and other random dingbats. Much YouTube: Not very evidence.
That, plus not confusing Hollywood fiction with reality. That would help. Not every Englishman is a cold, scheming villain, for example, despite what Hollywood would have you believe.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I think you are assuming too much of me being on a side. There isn't one division or fence. There are millions of topics.

I follow the evidence and look for others' and my own biases.
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Thank You.

Agree, 100%.

That was exactly my point.

:)
 
Bubba said:
Earlier, with your "Mixing occurs defusing the heat" you admitted ocean temp is a factor. Cooling and heating of the atmosphere by the sea, and vice versa, is happening 24/7, wherever they meet.

When your mixed defused heat reaches the interface as an unmeasured factor, it is a wild card. We dont have that data.

I know, I know, of course you knew that. I'm pretty sure you meant to include it when you tried to help earlier
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Geothermal heat sources are absolutely negligible compared to the sun.
 
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