Trumps Presidency through the eyes of a right wing patriot

Cainkane1

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Trump has created jobs for all Americans. Minorities never had it so good. He has kept or tried to bring back jobs from countries like Mexico and China. He has put us to work.

Comparing Trump with Obama who once gave Iran one of our enemies over a billion dollars Trump puts the interests of America first.

The people who hate Trump are the same people we see burning and looting our cities and assaulting our citizens.

I'm of the opinion that the Clintons are responsible for several deaths. Strange unsolved murders and deaths of their enemies.

At least when you go against Trump you get to stay alive.

Trump 2020.
 
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That guy looks like he's on dope. Basically Americans are free. Freedom to say anything we want, freedom of or from religion. Freedom to choose where to live and basic freedoms that other countries don't have. No society is perfect.

America is about as close to an ideal society as a country can get and still have a large diverse population. Every society has its detractors.

Please name a better country of size that bets America? You can name small nations that take a bit better core of their citizens but for a large heavily populated diverse society America does pretty good.
 
Trebuchet said:
Ya know who's not actually a Patriot? Trump. He hates about half of the country's citizens, for a starter. He's only in favor of himself.
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Does he hate them or do they hate him? If he does hate them would it not be a reaction to people who consider him the enemy for no good reason. It isn't Trump supporters who are burning and looting our cities and businesses and quite frankly I personally hate the rioter's guts. Maybe Trump does too. I don't blame him.

The agenda of the most vocal of Trumps detractors seem to be socialists or anarchists so if that's who hates Trump them more power to him.

If Trump haters were decent nice, law-abiding people it would be different.

Trump supporters are not Americas problem.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
Trump has created jobs for all Americans.
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Here's a fun game you can play. Here's a graph of the unemployment rate, as expressed as a percentage, from the mid 1940s to the present day:

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Why not see if you can pinpoint where Trump took office?

Here's another one, spoilered for size, this time specifically of black unemployment in the US over the last 20 years:

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Same challenge.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Trump has created jobs for all Americans. Minorities never had it so good. He has kept or tried to bring back jobs from countries like Mexico and China. He has put us to work.
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Given that the positive economic trends began under Obama, does he get any credit?

Even if not (which would be absurd), Trump is ravaging the economy with his spectacular bungling of the pandemic. So good luck with this argument.

Comparing Trump with Obama who once gave Iran one of our enemies over a billion dollars Trump puts the interests of America first.
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Are you aware that the money "given" to Iran was actually Iran's money being returned to them?

The people who hate Trump are the same people we see burning and looting our cities and assaulting our citizens.
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Guffaw.

I'm of the opinion that the Clintons are responsible for several deaths. Strange unsolved murders and deaths of their enemies.
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(1) Guffaw and (2) how very random.

At least when you go against Trump you get to stay alive.
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Perversely hilarious.

Trump 2020.
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I'm very much enjoying that your fuhrer is trailing in all the states that matter, by ever expanding margins, as the country watches his excellent imitation of Baghdad Bob.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
Trump has created jobs for all Americans. Minorities never had it so good. He has kept or tried to bring back jobs from countries like Mexico and China. He has put us to work.

Comparing Trump with Obama who once gave Iran one of our enemies over a billion dollars Trump puts the interests of America first.

The people who hate Trump are the same people we see burning and looting our cities and assaulting our citizens.

I'm of the opinion that the Clintons are responsible for several deaths. Strange unsolved murders and deaths of their enemies.

At least when you go against Trump you get to stay alive.

Trump 2020.
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If you take all these statements as factually correct then I get why you support him. But on what basis do you believe the statements are factual?
 
Cainkane1 said:
Trump supporters are not Americas problem.
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Actually, quite a number of them are.

A number of sources have reported that there have been more right-wing acts of violence than of left-wing violence in the US in recent decades. Sorry, I don't have time at the moment to look up and quote some of those sources, or to examine the numbers closely to see if Trump supporters really have engaged in more criminal acts (such as mass shootings, driving cars into people, destroying property of people and groups they oppose, making false 911 calls, brandishing guns to threaten people they don't like, etc.) than Trump opponents. But the number of incidents involving Trump supporters is not insignificant. It seems clear that many neo-Nazis and white supremacists are Trump supporters, and it seems clear that these are people who are engaging in harmful activities.

So some Trump opponents are a problem and some Trump supporters are a problem; some Trump supporters are good people, and some Trump opponents are good people. It's no more reasonable for Trump supporters to look only at the bad things some Trump opponents do while ignoring the bad things some Trump supporters do than it would be for Trump opponents to look only at the bad things some Trump supporters do while ignoring the bad things some Trump opponents do.

Regardless of whether we're on the left or on the right, whether we support or oppose Trump, whether we're rooting for Republicans or rooting for Democrats (or rooting against both parties), we need to avoid seeing our side as all good and their side as all bad. That's a large part of the problem our nation is facing right now: people demonizing their opponents (as libtards or deplorables, DemocRATs or Repugnicans, or the many other insults people have been using to make it easier to ignore the humanity of the people they disagree with).

The way to resolve problems well is for people to talk to each other, listen to each other, get to understand each other better, and eventually over time be able to find and act on the many areas where we will find we actually are in more agreement than we realized.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Trump has created jobs for all Americans.
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Less than any recent President. 20 million unemployed.

Minorities never had it so good.
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Yeah if you ignore him calling for violence against peaceful protesters and his support of white power groups.

He has kept or tried to bring back jobs from countries like Mexico and China.
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All the while getting his MAGA hats from China.

Comparing Trump with Obama who once gave Iran one of our enemies over a billion dollars Trump puts the interests of America first.
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Why repeat lies?

The people who hate Trump are the same people we see burning and looting our cities and assaulting our citizens.
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Care to support that libel?

I'm of the opinion that the Clintons are responsible for several deaths. Strange unsolved murders and deaths of their enemies.
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Now you're off the deep end. Name five and explain your reasoning.

You won't.
 
I think the opening post is an accurate summation of what the world looks like to a hard-core Trump supporter.

I think the only things missing were
- an assertion that protestors=rioters,
- the claim that being against spending $20billion on a wall means that you want completely open borders,
- the contention that people who say that something should be done to reduce discrimination against people of color are the real racists.
- a declaration that every president before Donald Trump has been treated with a respectful reverence by (a) the opposing party in congress, (b) a fawning and absurdly-uncritical press, (c) every US intelligence agency, and (d) every former cabinet member and former executive-branch agency director.
- the belief that there were many, many, many more people at President Trump’s inauguration than there were at any US presidential inauguration in the history.
 
Keep tellin' it, Brother CainKane1!

Here summore: President Mister Trump is a slender, athalettick, young-looking fellah, weighs about 145, could of been a hockey star if he hadn't gone into pat'rotic Public Services!

Those fake news lyin' damn ole crats shop all his photos n movies n videos n etc. with DISGUSTING FAT and HOAX HAIR to make him look bad. And try to agent orange him too.

So you just give us yr free american opinion, CaneKane1, cuz it's worth all the paper it's wrote on.
 
I'm curious what Trump-enacted policies specifically are supposed to have brought on this unprecedented level of prosperity and freedom.
 
sackett said:
Keep tellin' it, Brother CainKane1!

Here summore: President Mister Trump is a slender, athalettick, young-looking fellah, weighs about 145, could of been a hockey star if he hadn't gone into pat'rotic Public Services!
Those fake news lyin' damn ole crats shop all his photos n movies n videos n etc. with DISGUSTING FAT and HOAX HAIR to make him look bad. And try to agent orange him too.

So you just give us yr free american opinion, CaneKane1, cuz it's worth all the paper it's wrote on.
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No, he would have been a PGA star! The greatest! Would've won 7 or 8 majors every year! Would've won a thousand tournaments! Would've had a million holes-in-one! Would've put Palmer, Nicklaus and Woods to shame! They would've renamed The Masters to "The Trumpsters"!
 
Cain, it is nice that you are trying to stave off doom of USA, but it is inevitable.
 
What the OP is basically saying is that a Trump supporter is completely divorced from reality.

We already knew that.
 
It's painful to read the OP's first post because that's what so many Trump supporters truly believe. They have drunk the anti-fact Trump Kool Aid.

They either can't, or just refuse, to see that the economy grew more and unemployment fell farther under Obama than Trump. Trump inherited a booming economy but takes complete credit for it and his supporters believe him.

The really sad part is that Trump supporters like the OP will never believe otherwise. It doesn't matter what facts you present; they will continue to blindly believe what Trump tells them. That Trump lies and lies and lies to them doesn't matter. They BELIEVE. Trying to convince them otherwise is like screaming into the wind: they don't hear you. They don't want to hear you.
 
A semantic quibble about the thread title: “right wing” and “patriot” are contradictory terms.
 
I find it incredibly revealing that the OP thinks it's okay for Trump to attack those who don't like him.
It's exactly like Trump refusing aid to Governors who are not nice to him.

He is the friggin President. He doesn't get to pick the Americans he is and isn't the President for.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Trump has created jobs for all Americans. Minorities never had it so good. He has kept or tried to bring back jobs from countries like Mexico and China. He has put us to work.

Comparing Trump with Obama who once gave Iran one of our enemies over a billion dollars Trump puts the interests of America first.

The people who hate Trump are the same people we see burning and looting our cities and assaulting our citizens.

I'm of the opinion that the Clintons are responsible for several deaths. Strange unsolved murders and deaths of their enemies.

At least when you go against Trump you get to stay alive.

Trump 2020.
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When I talk like that, I make my wife really, really upset. But she does not read the comments on Fox News as much as I do.
 
Cainkane1 said:
That guy looks like he's on dope. Basically Americans are free. Freedom to say anything we want, freedom of or from religion. Freedom to choose where to live and basic freedoms that other countries don't have. No society is perfect.

America is about as close to an ideal society as a country can get and still have a large diverse population. Every society has its detractors.

Please name a better country of size that bets America? You can name small nations that take a bit better core of their citizens but for a large heavily populated diverse society America does pretty good.
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With a straight face, you're going to tell everyone that America's so starspangled awesome that we're the only ones in the world who have freedom?

Canada has freedom, Japan has freedom, the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Australia,
Belgium has freedom. Two hundred seven sovereign states in the world, like 180 of them have the freedoms we have.

America could be worse, but we could be one hell of a lot better. For example, we're seventh in literacy, twenty-seventh in math, twenty-second in science, forty-ninth in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labor force, and number four in exports.

We lead the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next twenty-six countries combined, twenty-five of whom are allies.
Paraphrased from the TV series The Newsroom
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There is no need to beat our chest over our accomplishments. But we should also recognize are deficiencies and be willing to address them. We can and should do better. Just because some have prospered doesn't mean others haven't and continue to suffer from poor education and lack of prospects.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
Does he hate them or do they hate him?
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I think he hates or at the very least does not give them the minimum amount of respect that a person should get for just being alive.

He does not like his military as shown by his dislike of POW's and his complete lack of caring for the soldier who have had bounties put on their head by Russia.

He gropes women for sport, says it is a perk of being rich. Most women do not like this.

He claims to be pro-gun but has used gun control laws to require the seizure or destruction of more guns in the hands of law abiding individuals than anyone since FDR. He says gun owners should have not any due process prior to taking their guns away if someone imagines them to be violent.

Trump thinks Cainkane is stupid enough to believe him his "I'm pro-gun" tripe, but he thinks everyone else is too.

He thinks that little old ladies who own property he covets should just roll over and let him take their land/home.

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The agenda of the most vocal of Trumps detractors seem to be socialists or anarchists so if that's who hates Trump them more power to him.
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I work in a shipyard with many military and former military. He has some supporters there, but by far most people mock him for the stupid things he says and does.

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If Trump haters were decent nice, law-abiding people it would be different.
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I'm a nice guy; I hate Trump and think he is the most backwards president we have ever had. I'm the gun-nut on ISF who is too often accused of being a racist or criminal because my interest in firearms.

Cainkane1 said:
Trump supporters are not Americas problem.
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Trump panders to the racist and white supremest crowd and they love him for it. Encouraging these vile people has made things bad for America as a whole.
 
Minorities are so dumb, indoctrinated, and hateful that they can't realize how good they've had it under Trump.
 
Trebuchet said:
Reminder: Do not confuse Caine with Cainkane1. Caine is a brilliant parodist. The OP thinks he completely serious.
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Oh... OH. Dear. Dear dear dear.

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Poe's Law and all of that.

Okay, so time to respond to him.

Cainkane1 said:
If he does hate them would it not be a reaction to people who consider him the enemy for no good reason.
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Except Trump is considered enemy for a lot of very good reasons. Complete screwup of COVID-19 response, for one. 120k+ (and rising) dead americans is on him.

Cainkane1 said:
It isn't Trump supporters who are burning and looting our cities and businesses and quite frankly I personally hate the rioter's guts.
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I don't care about looters, they can rot in jail. I do care about liars that deliberately conflate peaceful protesters (and Trump's opponents in general) with looters.

Cainkane1 said:
The agenda of the most vocal of Trumps detractors seem to be socialists or anarchists so if that's who hates Trump them more power to him.
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You know that making up stuff does not make them real, right?

Cainkane1 said:
If Trump haters were decent nice, law-abiding people it would be different.
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Hahaha, as if.

Oh, and implying that we all on this forum are criminals (me included, since I oppose your Dear Leader too) noted. Totally not rethoric of authoritarian loon hellbent on putting political enemies in jail, nooo siiir.

Cainkane1 said:
Trump supporters are not Americas problem.
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I agree. It is problem for entire world, since whatever dumb thing USA does, it affects entire world.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Does he hate them or do they hate him? If he does hate them would it not be a reaction to people who consider him the enemy for no good reason. It isn't Trump supporters who are burning and looting our cities and businesses and quite frankly I personally hate the rioter's guts. Maybe Trump does too. I don't blame him.

The agenda of the most vocal of Trumps detractors seem to be socialists or anarchists so if that's who hates Trump them more power to him.

If Trump haters were decent nice, law-abiding people it would be different.

Trump supporters are not Americas problem.
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No good reason? You must be ******* joking. People hate Trump for numerous reasons. Most of them seem pretty good. Do you think that any of these are good reasons to hate Trump.

Lets start with his sexist misogyny.

Trump has been accused of various levels of sexual assault by 20 different women. He had a reputation of going into the dressing room of the beauty contests that he held while women and girls were dressing. He famously said that "he could grab women by the pussy"
He mocked the Mexican Miss Universe saying multiple derogatory statements.

He cheats. He cheats at golf...(OK, not such a good reason but as an avid golfer, I despise people who don't play the game honestly) He cheated busboys, bartenders, cooks and contractors at his various properties. He cheated investors, he cheated banks, he cheated on his first wife, he cheated on his second wife and he cheated on his present wife. He cheated on his taxes. He cheated donors to his so called charities. None of this is a good reason to you?

He's the most self centered human I have ever encountered. Listen to his speeches. He takes credit for everything and responsibility for nothing.

He's a liar. Not just someone who occasionally says something false. No, he's an all star, all world all time maybe even the GOAT liar. We could list all of his untruths that he has spouted since becoming President but who has the bandwidth to list the 20,000 plus lies?

Is that not a good reason? Even god hates a liar.

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.Proverbs 6:16-19
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I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
Matthew 12:36-37
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I could go on and on why people justifiably hate Trump. But I'll end with what I consider his greatest sin. Trump makes no attempt to unite, but instead only works to divide,
 
abaddon said:
Your neighbour, Canada, has free health care for all. So does the UK, France, Germany and on and on.

You do not.

Explain that.
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Well the UK doesn't actually have free health care for all, it's just free at point of entry.
 
shemp said:
No, he would have been a PGA star! The greatest! Would've won 7 or 8 majors every year! Would've won a thousand tournaments! Would've had a million holes-in-one! Would've put Palmer, Nicklaus and Woods to shame! They would've renamed The Masters to "The Trumpsters"!
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So much winning!!!!!
 
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