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Old 27th August 2020, 11:13 PM   #641
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Most Approve of National Response to COVID-19 in 14 Advanced Economies (Pew Research Center, Aug. 27, 2020)
I would have liked to see countries like Finland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand on the list, but they aren't. The major English-speaking countries all are.
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Old 27th August 2020, 11:42 PM   #642
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Testing. You just need to stop doing all that damn testing; then you won't have so many cases.
This is a real problem, driven by politicians making populist decisions. To be clear this a problem in Scotland and England so is not a party political issue. In Scotland the government promised schools testing whenever they wanted. Most tests are now being done on worried well with no clinical indication. I have previously posted how testing has negative as well as positive consequences. With Covid-19 prevalence being low about half of positive results are false positives. This means people are being unnecessarily stopped from working and their households likewise. The number of unnecessary tests is impacting on the ability to do clinically indicated tests, people are having to travel further to be tested (at the weekend some Scots had to travel to England to be tested), and are waiting longer for results. Negative tests are providing false reassurance, contacts of cases are getting tested outwith of the 'track and trace' contact tracing protocols, a day or two after contact they test negative then do not understand why the contact tracing teams tell them they still have to isolate.

Increasingly testing is done as a political sop. We want to get schools back, we will promise schools lots of testing. This is a political decision not a scientifically driven one.
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Old 28th August 2020, 12:38 AM   #643
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This is a real problem, driven by politicians making populist decisions. To be clear this a problem in Scotland and England so is not a party political issue. In Scotland the government promised schools testing whenever they wanted. Most tests are now being done on worried well with no clinical indication. I have previously posted how testing has negative as well as positive consequences. With Covid-19 prevalence being low about half of positive results are false positives. This means people are being unnecessarily stopped from working and their households likewise. The number of unnecessary tests is impacting on the ability to do clinically indicated tests, people are having to travel further to be tested (at the weekend some Scots had to travel to England to be tested), and are waiting longer for results. Negative tests are providing false reassurance, contacts of cases are getting tested outwith of the 'track and trace' contact tracing protocols, a day or two after contact they test negative then do not understand why the contact tracing teams tell them they still have to isolate.

Increasingly testing is done as a political sop. We want to get schools back, we will promise schools lots of testing. This is a political decision not a scientifically driven one.
I do not believe this on false positives.
All positives from 150,000 tests are linked to the cluster in NZ.
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Most Approve of National Response to COVID-19 in 14 Advanced Economies (Pew Research Center, Aug. 27, 2020)
I would have liked to see countries like Finland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand on the list, but they aren't. The major English-speaking countries all are.
Here in Norway the government's approval rating for handling of covid-19 is 80% this week. That's down from 91% in week 23, though. When asked if they think the mitigation efforts are the correct ones, 77% think they are.
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Go back to work or risk losing your job, we need you to buy overpriced coffee and sandwiches from chains that don't even pay tax in the UK or the whole illusion of capitalism will fall down.

Our town centres died years back when out of town supermarkets/B&Q/Toys'R'us ****** up the ecosystem. We have entire high streets where the only premises are phone repair shops, nail bars, turkish barbers and costa/pret/starbucks/charity shops. They've been on life support for about 20 years.

Seeing the Tories who benefited from the change from shopping to café culture desperately trying to make us go back in to consume their overpriced rubbish when we can work from home and make better coffee there is hilarious.

For years 'home working has been pushed as a way of releaving congestion in cit centres. Seems it is only supposed to apply to a certain 'elite' set of workers.
Sensible employers everywhere have seen the increase in productivity that home-working has achieved and many are considering doing away with central offices altogether and saving rent

Tories don't like that either. They're the landlords!
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Old 28th August 2020, 03:52 AM   #646
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Originally Posted by Ulf Nereng View Post
Here in Norway the government's approval rating for handling of covid-19 is 80% this week. That's down from 91% in week 23, though. When asked if they think the mitigation efforts are the correct ones, 77% think they are.

Do you have any idea why it is so (relatively) low? 80% isn't much better than Italy or even Sweden. And the pandemic response in Norway was more effective than Denmark's.
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Do you have any idea why it is so (relatively) low? 80% isn't much better than Italy or even Sweden. And the pandemic response in Norway was more effective than Denmark's.
Perhaps because there are now things to criticize the government for. Just judging from my own personal approval of it, which has sunk lately. Hurtigruten had most of the responsibility for the outbreak on their ship, but it was the government who allowed the cruise ships to sail in the first place. The people who went on holidays abroad and then to a party in their hometown were idiots, but the government could have had much stricter travel restrictions. Schools have opened, which I consider to be dangerous at this time. I do approve of the strong recommendation to use masks on public transport, but I think they could have made it mandatory.

Other people may have opposite views, though. Restrictions too tight, facemasks not necessary, etc.
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From a Guardian article today:

Boris Johnson has given us a new mantra: Leave home. Forget the NHS. Save Pret
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Noticed they've decided on the "message" for getting people back to offices - it's all about "getting people back to work" - the implication of course is that those working at home aren't really working.

This could have been a great time for a visionary government to embrace the changes caused by the pandemic and set the country up for the future. But nope - their mates are now hurting so "back to work" we must go.
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Old 28th August 2020, 11:15 AM   #650
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Noticed they've decided on the "message" for getting people back to offices - it's all about "getting people back to work" - the implication of course is that those working at home aren't really working.

This could have been a great time for a visionary government to embrace the changes caused by the pandemic and set the country up for the future. But nope - their mates are now hurting so "back to work" we must go.
In theory I agree. In practice this is all a very tight schedule for making plans for the future. Even developing short term protocols for dealing with cancer cases in the time of covid is quite time consuming. I think you over estimate the competency of politicians.
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As to the mega demo against the developing Corona-dictatorship tomorrow, the senate of Berlin tried to call them off on Tuesday, just to have that decree declared unconstitutional by the judiciary today. So it looks like everything will happen as planned, which will make the events of 1.8. look like the warm-up they were. I'll drop some live stream links tomorrow noon so you as well can watch the events unfold in their true glory.
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The parade is about to begin. They will walk about 10 kms through Berlin from the Brandenburger Tor back to it, and then the main event will start. This time on the whole area of the historical Love Parades, with the stage at the Siegessäule. Last time this stream walked with the front of the parade:

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There are tons of streams on youtube.
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The parade is about to begin. They will walk about 10 kms through Berlin from the Brandenburger Tor back to it, and then the main event will start. This time on the whole area of the historical Love Parades, with the stage at the Siegessäule. Last time this stream walked with the front of the parade:

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There are tons of streams on youtube.
Yay, let's cheer for the Nazis and "Reichsbürger"
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As you can see in the stream, a small group of rogue police has blockaded the demonstration route. Superman is there but seems a bit toothless.
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As you can see in the stream, a small group of rogue police has blockaded the demonstration route. Superman is there but seems a bit toothless.
It won't be any fun until the water cannons come into play and the scum get flushed from the streets.
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Leaked UK government report. Reasonable worst case scenario for the winter, 81k Covid deaths and another 27k excess deaths from other causes.

Wonder if that factors in Brexit
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Main event will start soon, semi-official livestream (50,000 viewers right now) is here:

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Leaked UK government report. Reasonable worst case scenario for the winter, 81k Covid deaths and another 27k excess deaths from other causes.

Wonder if that factors in Brexit
BBC coverage of leaked report
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Main event will start soon, semi-official livestream (50,000 viewers right now) is here:

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There is also a rally taking place in Trafalgar Square - David Icke is speaking, naturally.
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Reasonable

Where is Denial Ferguson when you need him?
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Yay, let's cheer for the Nazis and "Reichsbürger"

It's not Naziism. What we're seeing is part of the process Toynbee described for the decline and eventually collapse of civilizations, when the ruling elite has (rightfully, no doubt) lost the loyalty of the internal proletariat, which starts to align with the culture and interests of the external threats on the borders instead.

In this case, the external threat the internal proletariat is admiring and mimicking happens to be a virus.

And this event is just in the nick of time. The new case rate in Germany was starting to level off this week.
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It's not Naziism. What we're seeing is part of the process Toynbee described for the decline and eventually collapse of civilizations, when the ruling elite has (rightfully, no doubt) lost the loyalty of the internal proletariat, which starts to align with the culture and interests of the external threats on the borders instead.

In this case, the external threat the internal proletariat is admiring and mimicking happens to be a virus.

And this event is just in the nick of time. The new case rate in Germany was starting to level off this week.
I live in Germany, this Demo is full of Nazis. Please inform yourself.

ETA: Regarding the new case rate leveling, what do you think is going to happen with the new case rate when 20000 Covidiots run through Berlin without distance and masks?

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Update as of yesterday:
Latest R number range for the UK
0.8-1.0

Latest growth rate range for the UK
0% to -5%
per day

England regions:
RegionR Growth rate % per day
England0.8-1.0 -3 to 0
East of England*0.7-0.9 -4 to -1
London*0.8-1.1 -4 to +1
Midlands*0.8-1.0 -3 to 0
North East and Yorkshire*0.8-1.0 -4 to 0
North West0.8-1.1 -6 to +1
South East0.8-1.0 -4 to 0
South West*0.8-1.1 -3 to +3
*Low case numbers and/ or a high degree of variability in transmission across the region means these estimates are insufficiently robust to inform policy decisions.
Latest figures.
Latest R number range for the UK
0.9-1.1

Latest growth rate range for the UK
-2% to +1%
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England regions:
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England0.9-1.1 -2 to +1
East of England*0.8-1.0 -3 to 0
London*0.9-1.1 -2 to +1
Midlands*0.8-1.1 -3 to +1
North East and Yorkshire*0.8-1.0 -3 to +1
North West0.9-1.1 -3 to +1
South East*0.9-1.1 -2 to +1
South West*0.9-1.1 -2 to +2
*Low case numbers and/ or a high degree of variability in transmission across the region means these estimates are insufficiently robust to inform policy decisions.


The figures are gradually creeping up, though more of them are caveated with "low case numbers".
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There is also a rally taking place in Trafalgar Square - David Icke is speaking, naturally.
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Richard Littlejohn (spit) in the Daily Heil (spit):

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Millions of people WFH is a Fool’s Paradise. It can’t last much longer, but unless business gets back to normal sooner rather than later, the consequences will be catastrophic.

The British economy is like that popular parlour game, Jenga, played with wooden blocks piled on top of each other to create a tower.

Removing blocks makes the tower increasingly unstable until the whole shooting match comes crashing down. We’re not far off that now.

I give it six weeks, tops. If the schools aren’t up and running next month, allowing hard-pressed parents to get back to their desks, carnage lies ahead.
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In the interests of full disclosure, I should tell you that, like most people who write for a living, I’ve worked from home for the past 30-odd years, unless I’ve been broadcasting and needed to be in a studio.
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Richard Littlejohn (spit) in the Daily Heil (spit):



Oh, hang on:

A stopped clock is right twice a day...
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Here is a link to a proper story about the Trafalgar Square protest (rather than a live constantly updating story).

I particularly enjoyed this quote from Elisha Edwardes, 36, who said she was at the protest “to support the movement for freedom”.

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I’m here to create awareness and I feel that the mass majority of people have been deceived. And I think it’s easier to deceive people than convince them they’ve been deceived.
Yes, dear, that has been very neatly demonstrated today.

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I live in Germany, this Demo is full of Nazis. Please inform yourself.

Nazis, Reichsbürger, left wing crazies, conspiracy nuts, Hippies, tin foil hat wearers, religious nuts, Falung Gong, and about every other fringe group you can imagine, and the speakers were about as crazy as the protesters.

Different groups that are bitter enemies in other circumstances, all united by common single issue imbecility.

Actually quite good entertainment to follow some of the live streams during a rainy (where I live) day (thanks CE for the links ).

Sad that those that were attending take that thing really serious........ as an organized Poe it would have been brilliant.
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Nazis, Reichsbürger, left wing crazies, conspiracy nuts, Hippies, tin foil hat wearers, religious nuts, Falung Gong, and about every other fringe group you can imagine, and the speakers were about as crazy as the protesters.

Different groups that are bitter enemies in other circumstances, all united by common single issue imbecility.

Actually quite good entertainment to follow some of the live streams during a rainy (where I live) day (thanks CE for the links ).

Sad that those that were attending take that thing really serious........ as an organized Poe it would have been brilliant.
Yeah, I watched a small Twitch.tv stream where a guy in superman costume was yelling through a megaphone, complaining about his right of free speech being taken away (while walking through Berlin the whole day, telling us his "opinion" )
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I live in Germany, this Demo is full of Nazis. Please inform yourself.

ETA: Regarding the new case rate leveling, what do you think is going to happen with the new case rate when 20000 Covidiots run through Berlin without distance and masks?
And pushed by the usual "don't trust the media&don't trust your government" useful idiots for Putin.
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And pushed by the usual "don't trust the media&don't trust your government" useful idiots for Putin.
Yeah, it was a truly embarrassing sight... and in a few days when the first people realize that they are infected, it will be "Hey healthcare system which was established by the government, you have to help me!!!"
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Old 29th August 2020, 09:03 AM   #674
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@ RedStapler: I agree that it would have been better with water cannons used by the police.
And I say that as a not really cop loving person.
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@ RedStapler: I agree that it would have been better with water cannons used by the police.
And I say that as a not really cop loving person.
Slim chance on this Saturday but they already made it clear that this will go on until the government resigns So, these Saturday "protests" will be a common thing for the next months.
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Originally Posted by RedStapler View Post
Slim chance on this Saturday but they already made it clear that this will go on until the government resigns So, these Saturday "protests" will be a common thing for the next months.
So there is still hope ?
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So there is still hope ?
Absolutely
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Old 29th August 2020, 09:37 AM   #678
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Nazis, Reichsbürger, left wing crazies, conspiracy nuts, Hippies, tin foil hat wearers, religious nuts, Falung Gong, and about every other fringe group you can imagine, and the speakers were about as crazy as the protesters.

Different groups that are bitter enemies in other circumstances, all united by common single issue imbecility.

Actually quite good entertainment to follow some of the live streams during a rainy (where I live) day (thanks CE for the links ).

Sad that those that were attending take that thing really serious........ as an organized Poe it would have been brilliant.
I even saw a Qanon adherent in there.

And speaking of Falun Gong, I wonder how they got on with the Hare Krishnas whom I also spotted
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
I even saw a Qanon adherent in there.

And speaking of Falun Gong, I wonder how they got on with the Hare Krishnas whom I also spotted
As I wrote:
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Different groups that are bitter enemies in other circumstances, all united by common single issue imbecility.
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I don´t think the protests will go on until the government resigns, as RedStapler heard them saying, the single issue will not be enough to glue them together.
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There is also a rally taking place in Trafalgar Square - David Icke is speaking, naturally.
He's not using his Big Room voice?
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