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Steve Bannon Indicted

A political cartoonist should depict Bannon as a waiter serving an over-sized Trump some coffee, with a line of waiters behind him, and a line of waiters on their way out the door recognizable as Manafort, Flynn, Epstein, etc.
 
rockysmith76 said:
Who said we don't need the wall.
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A political operative stands accused of exploiting their candidate's campaign platform to commit fraud. If true, it deserves condemnation. The accusation itself deserves attention, not deflection. Stop trying to distract from what's happening just because you can't figure out how to justify it.
 
theprestige said:
A political operative stands accused of exploiting their candidate's campaign platform to commit fraud. If true, it deserves condemnation. The accusation itself deserves attention, not deflection. Stop trying to distract from what's happening just because you can't figure out how to justify it.
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But the candidate had a fraudulent college, really everyone knew it was a scam anyway so it doesn't count, just like Trump University.
 
Yeah, remember Bannon wrote a book about the President. Not in Trump’s happy bin. Bannon is already an unperson in the President’s eyes.
 
theprestige said:
Avatar bet?
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That Trump will pardon Bannon or commute his sentence should he face jail time?
Assuming that Bannon doesn't cooperate against Trump?

I would take a limited-time avatar bet on that.

Of course, Trump has time until January to do that (assuming he won't win in November), but Bannon's trial is almost certain to run longer than that.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
That Trump will pardon Bannon or commute his sentence should he face jail time?
Assuming that Bannon doesn't cooperate against Trump?

I would take a limited-time avatar bet on that.

Of course, Trump has time until January to do that (assuming he won't win in November), but Bannon's trial is almost certain to run longer than that.
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He can preemptively pardon Bannon.
 
Trump claims he didn't approve of the private donation fundraising scheme. But he did.

Trump reacted to the news on Thursday, saying, "I feel very badly. I haven't been dealing with him for a very long period of time. Haven't been dealing with him at all. Don't know anything about the project at all. It's a very sad thing by Mr. Bannon.”
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But that's not what Kris Kobach said over a year ago:

Kris Kobach, a former Kansas secretary of state who acted as an advisor for We Build The Wall, told the New York Times in January 2019 that Trump gave his “blessing” to keep the fundraising campaign going.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisett...ild-the-wall-fundraising-scheme/#7e3e1d843662
 
The Great Zaganza said:
That Trump will pardon Bannon or commute his sentence should he face jail time?
Assuming that Bannon doesn't cooperate against Trump?

I would take a limited-time avatar bet on that.

Of course, Trump has time until January to do that (assuming he won't win in November), but Bannon's trial is almost certain to run longer than that.
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Heh. Seems like your "Presidential Pardon in 3, 2, ..." is laughably premature. How about we wait until there's actually something there to bet on?
 
theprestige said:
I don't understand this at all. You seem to be agreeing with me in every sense, but somehow you've phrased it like I'm doing something different.
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I'm implying that he doesn't "deserve" even the bare minimum required by law.

Such that getting all that he deserves would not be very good.

Sorry, it didn't land. Many of my attempts don't.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I'm implying that he doesn't "deserve" even the bare minimum required by law.

Such that getting all that he deserves would not be very good.

Sorry, it didn't land. Many of my attempts don't.
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Ah. You seemed to be making a joke at my expense ("I expected more from you"). Jokes at other people's expense are notoriously tricky to land.

Anyway, more seriously: I disagree about what he deserves. It is my strong belief that everyone in the community is entitled to the same rule of law, and the same due process. Guilty or innocent, he deserves exactly what the law provides for, both in his prosecution and his defense. More than that, even if he is guilty, he is entitled to seek and receive acquittal, if he can prove that he did not receive due process in the trial.

My point is this: An indictment is not a conviction. It's an accusation. I think the accusation is plausible, both because it occasioned a formal indictment, and because of the kind of person Bannon has revealed himself to be. So I hope for due process. If the accusation is true, I hope he's properly convicted and sentenced for it. If somehow it turns out to be false, I hope he is properly acquitted. And if it's true, but the conviction did not follow due process, then I hope it is overturned on appeal, and the prosecutor and judge are sanctioned for their oversight.
 
kookbreaker said:
Yeah, remember Bannon wrote a book about the President. Not in Trump’s happy bin. Bannon is already an unperson in the President’s eyes.
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Unless Bannon has something on Trump that he could potentially offer in a plea agreement.
 
theprestige said:
Ah. You seemed to be making a joke at my expense ("I expected more from you"). Jokes at other people's expense are notoriously tricky to land.

Anyway, more seriously: I disagree about what he deserves. It is my strong belief that everyone in the community is entitled to the same rule of law, and the same due process. Guilty or innocent, he deserves exactly what the law provides for, both in his prosecution and his defense. More than that, even if he is guilty, he is entitled to seek and receive acquittal, if he can prove that he did not receive due process in the trial.

My point is this: An indictment is not a conviction. It's an accusation. I think the accusation is plausible, both because it occasioned a formal indictment, and because of the kind of person Bannon has revealed himself to be. So I hope for due process. If the accusation is true, I hope he's properly convicted and sentenced for it. If somehow it turns out to be false, I hope he is properly acquitted. And if it's true, but the conviction did not follow due process, then I hope it is overturned on appeal, and the prosecutor and judge are sanctioned for their oversight.
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this.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Certainly not Meadmaker.

He literally said nothing about his actual feelings regarding the wall, only that the fundraising operation appears to have been a scam.
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Exactly. This isn't a thread about a wall. It's about a scam.

For anyone who thinks the wall is a really, really, good idea, this indictment ought to make you very sad because, if the allegations are true, it would mean that these men never really were about trying to get a wall. Millions of dollars that were meant to be wall related instead went to line the pockets of some politically-themed opportunists.
 
theprestige said:
FTFY.

And let me guess: You don't trust Donald Trump, and you don't trust Steve Bannon, but you do trust Kris Kobach?
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If I had to choose between Trump and Kobach, I'd choose Kobach. But that's like choosing between liver cancer and breast cancer. You have a slightly better chance with breast cancer.

As has already been pointed out, Donnie Jr. also praised the project.

Donald Trump Jr. praised We Build The Wall and Brian Kolfage at a 2018 event: "This is private enterprise at its finest. Doing it better, faster, cheaper than anything else. What you guys are doing is amazing.”
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https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1296470804058832899?s=20
 
theprestige said:
Ah. You seemed to be making a joke at my expense ("I expected more from you"). Jokes at other people's expense are notoriously tricky to land.
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Agreed.

Anyway, more seriously: I disagree about what he deserves. It is my strong belief that everyone in the community is entitled to the same rule of law, and the same due process. Guilty or innocent, he deserves exactly what the law provides for, both in his prosecution and his defense. More than that, even if he is guilty, he is entitled to seek and receive acquittal, if he can prove that he did not receive due process in the trial.

My point is this: An indictment is not a conviction. It's an accusation. I think the accusation is plausible, both because it occasioned a formal indictment, and because of the kind of person Bannon has revealed himself to be. So I hope for due process. If the accusation is true, I hope he's properly convicted and sentenced for it. If somehow it turns out to be false, I hope he is properly acquitted. And if it's true, but the conviction did not follow due process, then I hope it is overturned on appeal, and the prosecutor and judge are sanctioned for their oversight.
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Agreed, but he is such a despicable snake that when you bring out loaded language, like "deserve", well, let's just say we studied the old testament before lunch and the new testament after lunch. And I slept a lot after lunch.

<<I'll type out a sarcastic smiley face here since you block emojis>>
 
Bannon and his conspirators are facing 20 or 40 years maximum prison sentences depending on whether the charges are stackable.

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Stacyhs said:
Bannon just pleaded not guilty. Not surprised.
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It's commonplace in the US justice system to plead not guilty. Absent news of a plea deal, why would you be surprised*? I'm kinda surprised you decided to post something so banal and so expected.

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*Actually I can think of one reason you'd claim to be surprised: If you were pushing a narrative that Bannon is too stupid to plead not guilty, and therefore you're surprised that he didn't plead guilty. But it appears that however stupid he might be, Bannon is still at least smart enough to do what everybody else does in this situation. Which doesn't surprise you.
 
Stacyhs said:
Nobody has said, or even suggested, that Trump was involved in the fraud.
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Exactly. Which is why he's not really on topic for this thread. Steve Bannon was indicted for fraud. Somehow you want to turn it into yet another thread about Donald Trump. Please don't do that. There's already threads discussing Bannon's relationship to Trump. There's already threads discussing Trumpism in general. This thread is about the allegations of fraud against Bannon. (Really, it should be in T&E.)
 
theprestige said:
It's commonplace in the US justice system to plead not guilty. Absent news of a plea deal, why would you be surprised*? I'm kinda surprised you decided to post something so banal and so expected.

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*Actually I can think of one reason you'd claim to be surprised: If you were pushing a narrative that Bannon is too stupid to plead not guilty, and therefore you're surprised that he didn't plead guilty. But it appears that however stupid he might be, Bannon is still at least smart enough to do what everybody else does in this situation. Which doesn't surprise you.
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You know what else doesn't surprise me? Your need to respond to something you consider so banal in such an argumentative manner. But that really is the point of it after all.
 
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theprestige said:
Exactly. Which is why he's not really on topic for this thread. Steve Bannon was indicted for fraud. Somehow you want to turn it into yet another thread about Donald Trump. Please don't do that. There's already threads discussing Bannon's relationship to Trump. There's already threads discussing Trumpism in general. This thread is about the allegations of fraud against Bannon. (Really, it should be in T&E.)
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While I don't care for guilt by association, I can't help but think of the old maxim

A man is known by the company he keeps.

Its amazing just how many of Trump's close associates have been indicted as well as convicted.

John Gotti associated with fewer criminals.
 
Dr. Keith said:
He should at least get the due process required by law, hoping for him to get less is just mean.
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What if we hope he gets treated the way trump wants criminals to be treated?

Make sure they hit their head when the cops put him in the car. Have the trial results the way trump wanted the central park 5 results to be (I.e. found guilty even if actually innocent)


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