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Old 22nd December 2020, 03:45 PM   #1
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There Really Was Some Voter Fraud!

Pennsylvania man charged with registering dead relatives to vote for Trump


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A Pennsylvania man is facing up to 19 years in prison after prosecutors say he admitted to illegally casting a ballot in the general election for President Donald Trump as his dead mother and also registering his dead mother-in-law to vote with the intent to do the same.
Not Pennsylvania!

One of the states that stole the election from President Trump..
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Old 22nd December 2020, 08:21 PM   #2
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"and also registering his dead mother-in-law to vote with the intent to do the same"?


How freaking lame is this? If you're going to break the law, at least make it count!
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Old 23rd December 2020, 12:53 AM   #3
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Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
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While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment?
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Old 23rd December 2020, 01:35 AM   #5
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While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment?
I think so. He should get 19 months locked in a room with Trump. But that's prohibited under the eighth amendment.
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Old 23rd December 2020, 02:28 AM   #6
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I think so. He should get 19 months locked in a room with Trump. But that's prohibited under the eighth amendment.
I suspect he would request the 19 years in solitary if that was the alternative...
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Old 23rd December 2020, 05:55 AM   #7
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Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
Not *really* - but it's often just some random ex-felon who was registered by mistake at the DMV, and voted because they were told by officials that they could.

(Of course, ex-felons should be allowed to vote except *possibly* in cases of actual mass voter fraud, but that's another topic...)

I rather suspect it'll be more likely this time around in particular - mostly because Toupee Fiasco flipping told them to do it. And yes, there are individual republicans "testing" the registration or voting system, again because the GOP keeps screaming about how there's so much fraud, and they want to "prove" how easy it is by voting twice, and then...loudly announcing that they broke the law, I guess, it doesn't strike me as a good plan. And as always, it's "some idiot that stood no chance of changing anything", and not "busloads of illegals/black people that nobody has ever met before according to Joanne the bitter retiree that sits around in the local diner all day watching FOX News instead of meeting anyone that moved there in the past 20 years."
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Old 23rd December 2020, 06:47 AM   #8
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While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment?
There was a reddit thread I was looking at one time about voter fraud allegations and the resident Trumpian was adamant about how voter fraud was 'easy' and that he could do it.

Several inquiries towards this guy later asking how he could get a person's SS#, fake their signature, and hope the person wasn't voting elsewhere the Trumpian revealed that he was a landlord and he had his former tenant's SS#'s from rental applications along with signatures he could forge. That was his idea of 'easy'.

As someone noted: he would have to deliberately and intentionally commit three felonies to cast one fake vote: one for using someone else's SS#, one for forging their signature, and one for the fake vote itself.

This isn't some poor guy who voted in the wrong district or messed up his voting status. This is someone who deliberately went out of his way to commit multiple felonies that ultimately cause a loss of faith in the electoral system. He can rot in jail and pound rocks for all that I care.
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Old 23rd December 2020, 11:42 AM   #9
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While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment?
I think the reasoning is that tampering with voting processes potentially undermines our country horrifically. Like, fundementally. Coup-ishly, if you will.

Anyone know the verified score with real voter fraud thus far found? I recall a half dozen or so Republican fraudsters but I haven't been keeping close tabs.
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
I think the reasoning is that tampering with voting processes potentially undermines our country horrifically. Like, fundementally. Coup-ishly, if you will.

Anyone know the verified score with real voter fraud thus far found? I recall a half dozen or so Republican fraudsters but I haven't been keeping close tabs.
'Verified' according to whom? According to Giuliani, there's thousands! He's got thousands of verified affidavits. He can't show them all to you but he has them!
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Old 24th December 2020, 09:04 PM   #12
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Presidential pardon?
No, I think only the Governor of Pennsylvania would have the power to pardon this particular crime.

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Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
Maybe there's some projection here. Republicans are so certain that Democrats are up to no good, they think they need to cheat just to even the odds a bit.

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Bartman’s lawyer, Samuel Stretton, told The Philadelphia Inquirer that his client is taking responsibility for his actions and is cooperating with authorities.

“In his political frustration, he chose to do something stupid,” Stretton said. “And for that he is very sorry.”

The county’s top prosecutor stressed that Bartman’s ability to cast a vote on behalf of his deceased mother is not evidence of widespread voter fraud and that they are not prosecuting the case because of who Bartman voted for.
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Old 25th December 2020, 10:27 AM   #13
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Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
Maybe it's because he was convinced the Democrats were doing too. If the other side is doing it, why wouldn't you try to cheat? I think we're going to see this a lot in 2022 and 2024 when all the people who "know" this election was stolen try to steal the next election.
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Maybe it's because he was convinced the Democrats were doing too. If the other side is doing it, why wouldn't you try to cheat?
Yes, that makes perfect sense. You think someone is breaking the law, so you break the law to make up for it. Because as we all know, two wrongs make a right.

Or... he's just an ******** who doesn't believe in democracy and was afraid the guy he voted for would lose.
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Old 25th December 2020, 02:17 PM   #15
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Yes, that makes perfect sense. You think someone is breaking the law, so you break the law to make up for it. Because as we all know, two wrongs make a right.

Or... he's just an ******** who doesn't believe in democracy and was afraid the guy he voted for would lose.
Yes, I think that's the more obvious answer.
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Yes, that makes perfect sense. You think someone is breaking the law, so you break the law to make up for it. Because as we all know, two wrongs make a right.

Or... he's just an ******** who doesn't believe in democracy and was afraid the guy he voted for would lose.


When the president of the United States spends months, or years, yelling about there being a huge problem, and how "someone" needs to fix it, it's not at all surprising that at least a few stupid people will come up with, and actually try, stupid solutions.
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Old 30th December 2020, 07:25 AM   #18
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When the president of the United States spends months, or years, yelling about there being a huge problem, and how "someone" needs to fix it, it's not at all surprising that at least a few stupid people will come up with, and actually try, stupid solutions.

Don't forget flat out telling his supporters to vote multiple times in order to "demonstrate" how broken the system is and how easy it is to cheat.
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I'd say was the Broken Windows thing. Republicans being the main culprits in voting fraud shows that they are hearing nothing but a constant stream of fraudulent votes already being cast by their perceived enemies, so they really *must* commit fraud to counter what's already there. Worse, then they say that Trump is only trying to restore our faith in the electoral system....but only Republicans have had their faith shaken and with no other sources of information, they don't know that they're alone.
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Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
Republicans have been rigging elections since at least 2000.
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One man eh ?
According to Trump, that's enough to throw the whole election in the dustbin and pick him instead!!!1!!

Wait...wait...

Mr Cheater was a Republican??

Oh, then I'm sure he will be very sorry and won't do that again, cross his heart and hope to die.
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In another bit of newly discovered voter fraud (at least I hadn't seen anything on here about it before), let me introduce Barry Morphew. This lovely gentleman is accused of murdering his wife (they haven't found her body yet) and then used her ballot to vote for Trump.

On his behalf he has extremely convincing reasons to do so, for instance:

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"Just because I wanted Trump to win," the affidavit says. He further stated, according to the affidavit that "I just thought give him [Trump] another vote."
Completely rational. Moving on to this gem:

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"all these other guys are cheating," and I know she [referring to his wife] was going to vote for Trump anyway."
So there you have it! A completely logical, intelligent reason to vote for the woman you allegedly murdered. He definitely knows what she wanted in her life.
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In another bit of newly discovered voter fraud (at least I hadn't seen anything on here about it before), let me introduce Barry Morphew. This lovely gentleman is accused of murdering his wife (they haven't found her body yet) and then used her ballot to vote for Trump.

On his behalf he has extremely convincing reasons to do so, for instance:



Completely rational. Moving on to this gem:



So there you have it! A completely logical, intelligent reason to vote for the woman you allegedly murdered. He definitely knows what she wanted in her life.
Give the guy a break; he was probably fulfilling her last wish.
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Give the guy a break; he was probably fulfilling her last wish.
"Why would you want to hurt me? Please, stop it! At least let me vote for Trump! Please!!! Turn my ballot in for Trump!"

Judging by reading the article, it's probably not far from what he believes.
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In another bit of newly discovered voter fraud (at least I hadn't seen anything on here about it before), let me introduce Barry Morphew. This lovely gentleman is accused of murdering his wife (they haven't found her body yet) and then used her ballot to vote for Trump.

On his behalf he has extremely convincing reasons to do so, for instance:

Completely rational. Moving on to this gem:

So there you have it! A completely logical, intelligent reason to vote for the woman you allegedly murdered. He definitely knows what she wanted in her life.
The link doens't work (for me anyway). Did he kill his wife just to use her ballot (and I assume that would be a postal [or similar] ballot) or was it for other reason?
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I'd say was the Broken Windows thing. Republicans being the main culprits in voting fraud shows that they are hearing nothing but a constant stream of fraudulent votes already being cast by their perceived enemies, so they really *must* commit fraud to counter what's already there. Worse, then they say that Trump is only trying to restore our faith in the electoral system....but only Republicans have had their faith shaken and with no other sources of information, they don't know that they're alone.
Very much this, but I would add it's not only that they think voter fraud by the Democratic party is rampant, but they also believe that voter fraud is very easy to commit and get away with. Conservatives believe, after years of consuming conspiracy theories, that our electoral system is particularly vulnerable to voter fraud.

It's extremely common where I live for right wingers to believe that busloads of MA voters routinely go up to New Hampshire to swing elections via fraudulent voting. Facebook poisoned conservatives really believe it's that easy, so it's no surprise that they get caught in blatantly fraudulent attempts to do the same.
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It's extremely common where I live for right wingers to believe that busloads of MA voters routinely go up to New Hampshire to swing elections via fraudulent voting. Facebook poisoned conservatives really believe it's that easy, so it's no surprise that they get caught in blatantly fraudulent attempts to do the same.

It didn't help when Trump himself claimed that buses full of illegal voters cost him New Hampshire in 2016.

“Remember last time?,” Trump asked the crowd at Southern New Hampshire University. “We won the primary tremendously. We should’ve won the [general] election, but they had buses being shipped up from Massachusetts, hundreds and hundreds. And it was very close, even though they did.”
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As far as I can tell, those stupid, idiotic, lying Trump lackeys use one of three thought processes when it comes to dealing with the 2020 election.

One: in the areas where Biden won the vote, but Trump lost the vote, then somehow various evil forces supressed/changed/altered these results so that they showed Biden won.

Therefore, every effort must be taken to investigate the fraud in these elections.

Two: in areas where Trump won the vote, but Biden lost the vote, then those votes are legitimate and no investigation is needed.

Therefore, there was no fraud in these elections and no vote investigation is needed.

Three: the only problems with the election were with the Presidential Election. All of the other elections for the U.S House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate were quite legitimate.

Therefore, even though these other elections were done concurrently with the Presidential Election, there was no fraud in these elections and no vote inestigation of these investigations is needed either.

Out of this morass of nonsense, the one bit that I find to be most nonsenical is the bit whereby all the other elections, expect the Presidential Election, were not problematic.

As a result, these idiots actually do believe that all of the hundreds, or even thousands, of various elections that were held in 2020, the only election that was troublesome, was the one election where Trump lost but all of the other elections were quite acceptable.

As for me, I have never seen such a case of wide-scale absurdity.
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The link doens't work (for me anyway). Did he kill his wife just to use her ballot (and I assume that would be a postal [or similar] ballot) or was it for other reason?
I don't think he's actually confessed to killing her yet, but I don't believe he killed her TO use her ballot. I think he killed her and then just used the ballot because of the aforementioned reasons.
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I don't think he's actually confessed to killing her yet, but I don't believe he killed her TO use her ballot. I think he killed her and then just used the ballot because of the aforementioned reasons.
Or perhaps he killed her because she intended to vote for Biden.
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Or perhaps he killed her because she intended to vote for Biden.
I suspect there are some Trumpers who think that is a perfectly rational reason and defense.
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As far as I can tell, those stupid, idiotic, lying Trump lackeys use one of three thought processes when it comes to dealing with the 2020 election.

One: in the areas where Biden won the vote, but Trump lost the vote, then somehow various evil forces supressed/changed/altered these results so that they showed Biden won.

Therefore, every effort must be taken to investigate the fraud in these elections.

Two: in areas where Trump won the vote, but Biden lost the vote, then those votes are legitimate and no investigation is needed.

Therefore, there was no fraud in these elections and no vote investigation is needed.

Three: the only problems with the election were with the Presidential Election. All of the other elections for the U.S House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate were quite legitimate.

Therefore, even though these other elections were done concurrently with the Presidential Election, there was no fraud in these elections and no vote inestigation of these investigations is needed either.

Out of this morass of nonsense, the one bit that I find to be most nonsenical is the bit whereby all the other elections, expect the Presidential Election, were not problematic.

As a result, these idiots actually do believe that all of the hundreds, or even thousands, of various elections that were held in 2020, the only election that was troublesome, was the one election where Trump lost but all of the other elections were quite acceptable.

As for me, I have never seen such a case of wide-scale absurdity.

Well said. What's more, there were elected congressmen and women who were refusing the certification of President-Elect Biden on the claims that the election was fraudulent - the same election that elected them.
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Old 18th May 2021, 08:07 AM   #33
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Or perhaps he killed her because she intended to vote for Biden.
That absolutely could be and I'm pretty sure it was in CO. Maybe he thought it was going to be that close. If I remember right, it wasn't though.
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Old 14th December 2021, 09:04 AM   #34
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More voter fraud found!

3 residents of The Villages arrested for casting multiple votes in 2020 election

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SUMTER COUNTY, Fla. – Three residents of The Villages have recently been arrested as part of an ongoing investigation into voter fraud, court records show.

Jay Ketcik, Joan Halstead and John Rider are each charged with casting more than one ballot in an election, a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.
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Ketcik, 63, is accused of voting by mail in Florida in October 2020 while also casting an absentee ballot in his original home state of Michigan, court records show.

Halstead, 71, voted in-person in Florida but also cast an absentee ballot in New York, prosecutors allege.

Ketcik and Halstead turned themselves in to the Sumter County jail on outstanding warrants, court records show.

Rider, 61, was arrested by Brevard County deputies at the Royal Caribbean cruise ship terminal at Port Canaveral on Dec. 3, according to court records. Details of the accusations against him were not immediately available, but prosecutors indicated he also cast ballots both out-of-state and in Florida.
I wonder who they voted for.

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All three are registered as Republicans in Florida, voter registration records show.

Facebook pages that appear to belong to Ketcik and Halstead contain several posts expressing support for former president Donald Trump.
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Old 14th December 2021, 09:11 AM   #35
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More voter fraud found!

3 residents of The Villages arrested for casting multiple votes in 2020 election





I wonder who they voted for.
My theory on this is that Republican believe, thanks to relentless propaganda, that voting fraud is something that not only happens all the time, but is easy to get away with.

You end up with these dimwitted geriatrics who've read too many Facebook posts about Democrats bussing in illegal voters or registering dead voters that they decide to fight fire with fire.
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Old 14th December 2021, 09:24 AM   #36
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throw them in Prison - the Floridian Economy depends on it.
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Watching the Republicans somehow constantly reverse psychology themselves into hypocrisy so massive it has smaller hypocrisies in orbit around it would be fun if it actually, ya know, mattered or lead to consequences or anything like that.
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Old 14th December 2021, 10:01 AM   #38
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Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
Confirmation bias.
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Confirmation bias.
....and the preponderance of evidence.
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....and the preponderance of evidence.
Other than anecdote?
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