Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part II

varwoche said:

Ted Nugent before he contracted covid...

"They claim five hundred thousand people have died from COVID-19. ********. I believe that medical examiners in all 50 states have gone, ‘I put down on the death certificate that he died of asphyxiation, but they made me put COVID
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It's not a real pandemic and that's not a real vaccine. I'm sorry, I ain't taking no vaccine."
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After he contracted covid...

I tested positive ... I thought I was dying​

A frothing imbecile learns something, whatever. But then news reports called out Nugent's prior statements. That made Ted mad!

"Saying that I claimed COVID-19 was a hoax. False. I’ve always said… We have actually footage of me saying, if not hundreds, thousands of times… Of course there’s a Chinese virus. Hello? Who thinks that I claimed there’s no Chinese… There’s a Chinese virus. They call it COVID-19. I’m well aware of that.”​

Re-writing history is quite the thing lately.

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Sadly, the right-wing crowd has an unlimited supply of gaslight of late.

varwoche said:

Ted Nugent before he contracted covid...

"They claim five hundred thousand people have died from COVID-19. ********. I believe that medical examiners in all 50 states have gone, ‘I put down on the death certificate that he died of asphyxiation, but they made me put COVID
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It's not a real pandemic and that's not a real vaccine. I'm sorry, I ain't taking no vaccine."
​

After he contracted covid...

I tested positive ... I thought I was dying​

A frothing imbecile learns something, whatever. But then news reports called out Nugent's prior statements. That made Ted mad!

"Saying that I claimed COVID-19 was a hoax. False. I’ve always said… We have actually footage of me saying, if not hundreds, thousands of times… Of course there’s a Chinese virus. Hello? Who thinks that I claimed there’s no Chinese… There’s a Chinese virus. They call it COVID-19. I’m well aware of that.”​

Re-writing history is quite the thing lately.

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Well, he's pulling the same thing we see over and over, here as well, most especially on the far right, which is to require complete exactitude. Sure, he said it wasn't a pandemic and it wasn't a vaccine, and it wasn't so bad, and it wasn't this and it wasn't that, and whatever words and phrases synonymous with "hoax" he used, but if he didn't use the precise word "hoax," then he can stand up in righteous indignation and say "I never said it was a hoax." And there's a good likelihood that, since he knew from the start that he was slinging it and lying, he was careful to avoid that one word, knowing that he'd have that out when he was caught.

I was under the impression that this virus is so profitable that "they" are not gonna let it go easily. Think about it, all the new stuff that is being sold. A few people in power are making so much money off of it. The vaccines alone, one shot, then another one two weeks later and a booster in six months, and then yearly, and the one that only requires one shot and done is being black listed by those whose vaccine is less effective but more profitable

they are not gonna let this corona viruses go easily they are making too much money on it. hopefully im wrong but if im not this just might be the norm for a long long time

JollyRoger said:

I was under the impression that this virus is so profitable that "they" are not gonna let it go easily. Think about it, all the new stuff that is being sold. A few people in power are making so much money off of it. The vaccines alone, one shot, then another one two weeks later and a booster in six months, and then yearly, and the one that only requires one shot and done is being black listed by those whose vaccine is less effective but more profitable

they are not gonna let this corona viruses go easily they are making too much money on it. hopefully im wrong but if im not this just might be the norm for a long long time

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On the medicine front, treatment of COVID-19 is incredibly more profitable than any vaccine profits, even taking into account the difference in affected populations. It's true that the money flow is distributed a bit differently, though.

To poke in a bit of a different direction, on a quick look, notable vaccine makers have a history of vaccines making up from 0.4% to 3% of their profits. It's not negligible, but it's also not even remotely a primary profit source. The group that fairly certainly profits the most from vaccines, either way, is the health insurance industry, given that vaccines quite seem to dramatically decrease how much they end up needing to pay out.

JollyRoger said:

I was under the impression that this virus is so profitable that "they" are not gonna let it go easily. Think about it, all the new stuff that is being sold. A few people in power are making so much money off of it. The vaccines alone, one shot, then another one two weeks later and a booster in six months, and then yearly, and the one that only requires one shot and done is being black listed by those whose vaccine is less effective but more profitable

they are not gonna let this corona viruses go easily they are making too much money on it. hopefully im wrong but if im not this just might be the norm for a long long time

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A sane comment on PROFITS. 100's Billions alone on vaccines, more and more millions on masks, new mask industries, and all the other vaccine STUFF that's pushed on the population for well over a year. And the losses from all the business people, gotta include this.

Caroline13 said:

A sane comment on PROFITS. 100's Billions alone on vaccines, more and more millions on masks, new mask industries, and all the other vaccine STUFF that's pushed on the population for well over a year. And the losses from all the business people, gotta include this.

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To poke at this - on a quick look, Pfizer's expecting about $4 billion in profit related to the COVID vaccines, as just one example. That's a very, very far cry from 100's of billions. I could dissect the rest, but you've shown no hint of caring about actual facts so far.

Caroline13 said:

A sane comment on PROFITS. 100's Billions alone on vaccines, more and more millions on masks, new mask industries, and all the other vaccine STUFF that's pushed on the population for well over a year. And the losses from all the business people, gotta include this.

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Thank you Pfizer for all you do to protect lives; you too Moderna and J&J! Thanks too to the manufacturers of masks and other safety equipment who kept the tireless front line woirkers (and the rest of us) safe! Raspberries to the anti-maskers, the anti-vaxxers the anti-science credules that threaten to pull us back into the dark ages with their witless tripe.

I have no illusion about the greed of big pharma, and I have no doubt that many involved will reap great profits. But if the vaccines were not effective, there would be a distinct and easily proven effect: those vaccinated would become ill at the same rate as those who are not. But this is not happening, is it?

The vaccine makers, for all their cupidity and business practices, would not be able to reap those big profits if the stuff they made was no good. You can go on and on about their greed, but unless you find a different way of doing it that has worked better, it's a price we pay, and we who are vaccinated are the ultimate winners, even if there is some theoretical way it could have been done better.

I do note that Pfizer's stock has risen some, but not as much as one might expect. And, of course, as Aridas points out, the anti-vaxxers have shot their own argument in the foot by exaggerating it out of all reality. What might have been a worthwhile discussion of the role of big pharma on public health becomes a spittle-brained lie worth nothing.

Aridas said:

To poke at this - on a quick look, Pfizer's expecting about $4 billion in profit related to the COVID vaccines, as just one example. That's a very, very far cry from 100's of billions. I could dissect the rest, but you've shown no hint of caring about actual facts so far.

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It all go to 100's of billions down the years, as they are talking boosters and more boosters....the vaccine producers are in it for the LONG HAUL.

Small peanuts in Vit C, Vit D, Zinc and that horrible horrible Grape Seed Extract....

Which of course, NONE of the pushers have ever mentioned any of the above...Trump mentioned Zinc when he first talked about Hydroxychloline......and then there is the old very approved Ivermectin drug which Pharma is keeping out of the hands of the people. Pharma is criminal in many many ways.

Caroline13 said:

It all go to 100's of billions down the years, as they are talking boosters and more boosters....the vaccine producers are in it for the LONG HAUL .

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I god damn well hope so, keeping us safe from the even more contagious and deadly variants.

Small peanuts in Vit C, Vit D, Zinc and that horrible horrible Grape Seed Extract....

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If only that small peanuts snake oil bull **** would disappear.

Which of course, NONE of the pushers have ever mentioned any of the above...Trump mentioned Zinc when he first talked about Hydroxychloline...

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It was mentioned: ex-president ***** -his-pants was talking out his ass. HCQ has never been shown to be effective in treading COVID-19 in gold standard, blinded, placebo-controlled studies. But I'm sure you know this.

and then there is the old very approved Ivermectin drug which Pharma is keeping out of the hands of the people. Pharma is criminal in many many ways.

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Citation needed.

Caroline13 said:

It all go to 100's of billions down the years, as they are talking boosters and more boosters....the vaccine producers are in it for the LONG HAUL.

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Primarily because of anti-vaxxers actively working to prevent eradication.

Caroline13 said:

Small peanuts in Vit C, Vit D, Zinc and that horrible horrible Grape Seed Extract....

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What, exactly, do you think that the comparative price actually would be there? Each of those supplements, individually, will generally cost more than the cost of the vaccines, on a quick check, and definitely more to the actual consumers in the US at present, given that vaccines are being covered by pretty much all health insurance providers.

Caroline13 said:

Which of course, NONE of the pushers have ever mentioned any of the above...

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Meanwhile, in the real world, making sure that one is getting enough Vitamin D to not be deficient has been pushed by quite a few of the same people who push the vaccines - and a number of those in this thread that you keep trying to accuse of ignoring it. Vitamin C, Zinc, and Grape Seed Extract do not have evidence that supports their effectiveness against COVID, but pretty much everyone here is likely to agree that keeping Vitamin C and Zinc at healthy levels is a generally helpful thing.

Caroline13 said:

Trump mentioned Zinc when he first talked about Hydroxychloline......and then there is the old very approved Ivermectin drug which Pharma is keeping out of the hands of the people. Pharma is criminal in many many ways.

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Big Pharma is criminal in many ways, but not all ways. HCQ was hyped up on outright nonsensical grounds for largely political reasons, followed by efforts to prop up trust in it by turning it into a cultural war, rather than actually proving that it worked in practice properly. The same people that worked to hype up HCQ without much respect for the quality of their evidence didn't stop there, though, and Ivermectin is just one of their more recent attempts at hyping up something without proper evidence. It would be great if Ivermectin is found to be effective as a treatment in the end, but it's still too soon to assume that it actually will be.

Why don't you want to work on yourself to keep yourself healthy vs counting on a lab manufactured drug (not approved) to keep you healthy? So many are just plain LAZY.

Aridas said:

Primarily because of anti-vaxxers actively working to prevent eradication.



What, exactly, do you think that the comparative price actually would be there? Each of those supplements, individually, will generally cost more than the cost of the vaccines, on a quick check, and definitely more to the actual consumers in the US at present, given that vaccines are being covered by pretty much all health insurance providers.




Meanwhile, in the real world, making sure that one is getting enough Vitamin D to not be deficient has been pushed by quite a few of the same people who push the vaccines - and a number of those in this thread that you keep trying to accuse of ignoring it. Vitamin C, Zinc, and Grape Seed Extract do not have evidence that supports their effectiveness against COVID, but pretty much everyone here is likely to agree that keeping Vitamin C and Zinc at healthy levels is a generally helpful thing.



Big Pharma is criminal in many ways, but not all ways. HCQ was hyped up on outright nonsensical grounds for largely political reasons, followed by efforts to prop up trust in it by turning it into a cultural war, rather than actually proving that it worked in practice properly. The same people that worked to hype up HCQ without much respect for the quality of their evidence didn't stop there, though, and Ivermectin is just one of their more recent attempts at hyping up something without proper evidence. It would be great if Ivermectin is found to be effective as a treatment in the end, but it's still too soon to assume that it actually will be.

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I didn't say ALL WAYS, I said many ways. The Vit C etc are pennies a day for good strong health.

Caroline13 said:

I didn't say ALL WAYS, I said many ways.

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Alright, I'll rephrase. Big Pharma is criminal in many ways, but not all ways that they're accused of. Of particular relevance, your accusation that Pharma is keeping Ivermectin out of the hands of the people and that that is criminal is based on falsehoods that were created by people that do not have your best interests at heart.

Caroline13 said:

The Vit C etc are pennies a day for good strong health.

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The vaccines are outright free for you.

Going further, excessive Vitamin C, for example, will generally just end up being literally flushed down a toilet, so if your diet is healthy in the first place, then Vitamin C supplements will be a useless waste of money that make your body do unnecessary work and can potentially cause harmful side effects.

Caroline13 said:

Why don't you want to work on yourself . . .

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I do everyday; part of my regimen is to evaluate bull **** snake-oil treatments like those you pimp.

Caroline13 said:

I didn't say ALL WAYS, I said many ways. The Vit C etc are pennies a day for good strong health.

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Actually, they are good for making orange urine; literally pissing away money.

Caroline13 said:

Why don't you want to work on yourself to keep yourself healthy vs counting on a lab manufactured drug (not approved) to keep you healthy? So many are just plain LAZY.

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Utter nonsense and you know it. I and many others here have made it clear that we do indeed work on ourselves and stay healthy. But unlike some here, it seems, I include in staying healthy trying not to act like a fool.

If there is an example of laziness, it is in the repetitive posting of a person who refuses to learn anything new.

Caroline13 said:

Why don't you want to work on yourself to keep yourself healthy vs counting on a lab manufactured drug (not approved) to keep you healthy? So many are just plain LAZY.

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Working to keep oneself healthy is a good thing. Recognizing that keeping oneself healthy is, in some circumstances, best done with the aid of lab manufactured drugs is actually a part of working to keep oneself healthy intelligently, rather than in opposition to such. Using the best tool for a job frequently makes a big difference in the quality of what one ends up with.

Resume said:

Actually, they are good for making orange urine; literally pissing away money.

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One thing I never have, Resume, is orange urine. Drinking plenty of water keeps our urine nice and almost clear....in spite of many supplements.

You got orange/yellow urine, you are NOT getting enough H20.