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I still can´t believe there are people here saying the pandemic is fake and the deaths by Covid are overblown by this or that reason, and most people who died from Covid died from something else.

I already posted graphs showing Excess Deaths curves closely match official COVID death statistics, but in the US and Brazil, the two countries with most official deaths in the world.


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AcesHigh said:
I still can´t believe there are people here saying the pandemic is fake and the deaths by Covid are overblown by this or that reason, and most people who died from Covid died from something else.

I already posted graphs showing Excess Deaths curves closely match official COVID death statistics, but in the US and Brazil, the two countries with most official deaths in the world.
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Are you really saying you don't believe that there are stupid people on this planet? :eek: You have a lot to learn, my friend.:D
 
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AcesHigh said:
I still can´t believe there are people here saying the pandemic is fake and the deaths by Covid are overblown by this or that reason, and most people who died from Covid died from something else.

I already posted graphs showing Excess Deaths curves closely match official COVID death statistics, but in the US and Brazil, the two countries with most official deaths in the world.
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Agreed. When I first saw such curves in The Economist magazine last year, it was a eureka moment for me. They showed graphs for many nations. This link might be behind a paywall.
 
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Steve said:
Are you really saying you don't believe that there are stupid people on this planet? :eek: You have a lot to learn, my friend.:D
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on the planet, yes. But I thought on this forum, or more specifically, on this THREAD, where the graphs were shown, it would be in the past, and other arguments would be used.
 
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AcesHigh said:
I still can´t believe there are people here saying the pandemic is fake and the deaths by Covid are overblown by this or that reason, and most people who died from Covid died from something else.

I already posted graphs showing Excess Deaths curves closely match official COVID death statistics, but in the US and Brazil, the two countries with most official deaths in the world.
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Indeed, and in Russia, so beloved of Childlike Empress, you can see that Excess Deaths are well above official Covid tallies.

Which is on-brand for Putin's Russia. Hide the data, but in such an inept way, it's obvious.


See also Peru, which didn't hide its data

[IMGW=640]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGv4i9jWUAoEuQY?format=png&name=medium[/IMGW]


https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...on=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=PER~RUS

ETA: yes that's officially about 0.2% of the population killed in Russia, with more than 0.6% excess deaths
 
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Childlike Empress said:
It's that this "pandemic" is obviously fake and orchestrated from the get-go, and these "vaccines" come with a clear agenda you can read openly in the culprit's writings that has nothing to do with a care for health. Your denial of that is juvenial and has to do with a refusal to go against the "common wisdom".
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OK, so I'm sure this has been explained somewhere in the many preceding pages, but since I haven't been following along...since the pandemic is fake, what's actually happening to the people getting sick? Like, when my brother lost his sense of smell and taste for a month, or my neighbor spent a while on the hospital and is now having to use regular oxygen for probably the rest of this life, what actually happened to make them sick? Are there secret ninja 'fake disease' teams running around the world spraying people's food with exotic poisons to simulate the spread of the non-existent disease?
 
AcesHigh said:
on the planet, yes. But I thought on this forum, or more specifically, on this THREAD, where the graphs were shown, it would be in the past, and other arguments would be used.
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You right thinking dreamer, this is the conspiracy sub-forum and madness prevails!
 
Pixel42 said:
Even smart people are not psychic, there's no way to know how the virus will evolve.

If it produces no new virulent variants that evade the vaccines the world should return to something approaching normal, though there will probably be a new annual vaccine administered alongside the flu one.

If it does produce at least one new virulent variant that evades the vaccines next year will probably be much like the last two.

At the moment we don't even know whether omicron is sufficiently virulent/vaccine evading to qualify.
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Hey well said and full of wisdom and close to my own prediction - BUT this is the eccentric and irrelevant conspiracy sub-forum, let the speculation sans evidence flow!
 
Childlike Empress said:
btw, folks, ever met the husband of EU Commission president Ursula von der Leyen? Their marriage connected two ancient, noble textile producing families. Heiko von der Leyen is Medical Director of OrGenesis, which provides the "gene therapy" platform for both BioNcash/Pfizer and Moderna.
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I'm so happy I get to break this out again.

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a picture is worth a thousand words

AcesHigh said:
I still can´t believe there are people here saying the pandemic is fake and the deaths by Covid are overblown by this or that reason, and most people who died from Covid died from something else.

I already posted graphs showing Excess Deaths curves closely match official COVID death statistics, but in the US and Brazil, the two countries with most official deaths in the world.
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AcesHigh,

I found a comment from you where you mentioned a glitch with your image host, but I did not find your comment in which you posted them. I see that JimBob (comment #3513 posted them, however.
 
Cat Not Included said:
OK, so I'm sure this has been explained somewhere in the many preceding pages, but since I haven't been following along...since the pandemic is fake, what's actually happening to the people getting sick? Like, when my brother lost his sense of smell and taste for a month, or my neighbor spent a while on the hospital and is now having to use regular oxygen for probably the rest of this life, what actually happened to make them sick? Are there secret ninja 'fake disease' teams running around the world spraying people's food with exotic poisons to simulate the spread of the non-existent disease?
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Conspiracists distrust "official" sources, so they simply dismiss all news, science, and reality. The exception is when they cherry pick or misrepresent these sources to support their wrong conclusions. It's like a game they play in their own heads to decide between stupidity and dishonesty.

This leaves us where we are now -- face to face with propagandists, scammers, or suckers who either don't care or don't know what's real.
 
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Cat Not Included said:
OK, so I'm sure this has been explained somewhere in the many preceding pages, but since I haven't been following along...since the pandemic is fake, what's actually happening to the people getting sick? Like, when my brother lost his sense of smell and taste for a month, or my neighbor spent a while on the hospital and is now having to use regular oxygen for probably the rest of this life, what actually happened to make them sick? Are there secret ninja 'fake disease' teams running around the world spraying people's food with exotic poisons to simulate the spread of the non-existent disease?
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You probably think your last suggestion is crazy, but you could likely put it on Facebook and in a week right wing politicians would be citing it as a new fact.

I just saw a reference to a post to one of those social media site suggesting that the vaccine contains "dead people DNA" and that it might turn our DNA into theirs, whereupon our souls would be in danger.

It seems when the cold front of stupidity meets the hot front of lunacy we get the perfect storm of anti-vax ranting. Brace yourself. It's going to be a long winter.
 
Speaking of totally unhinged....

"Jake West was a seemingly healthy 17-year-old when he collapsed during high school football practice in Indiana and died of sudden cardiac arrest. A video widely shared online falsely suggests COVID-19 vaccination is to blame, weaving headlines about him into a rapid-fire compilation of news coverage about athletes collapsing.

The vaccine played no role in West’s death — he died from an undiagnosed heart condition in 2013, seven years before the pandemic began. "

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-sports-health-1dc0e46bca518e70ddab67a814e344f4
 
eerok said:
Conspiracists distrust "official" sources, so they simply dismiss all news, science, and reality. The exception is when they cherry pick or misrepresent these sources to support their wrong conclusions. It's like a game they play in their own heads to decide between stupidity and dishonesty.

This leaves us where we are now -- face to face with propagandists, scammers, or suckers who either don't care or don't know what's real.
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There have been several recorded cases of conspiracy theorists admitted to hospital with Covid, insisting literally to their dying breaths that they don't have Covid, they can't have Covid, because it doesn't exist, and demanding the doctors tell them what's really wrong with them.
Add to that the idea of 'vicsims' and 'crisis actors', which enables all specific cases to be handwaved away.
I have also been told that all tests for Covid are completely inaccurate, and so, for example, you can test positive if you have hayfever.
Lastly, let's not forget that, in their eyes, all the doctors and nurses are in on it, and so any diagnosis is instantly suspect.
It's essentially an elaborate means of denying reality, even if that reality is literally killing you.
 
Fenton and Neil Vaccine Study

Apologies if this has been discussed before- if I missed that, then do please link me to the right place.
I'm also placing this in CTs, rather than science, as I think it is more suitable here. Again, I'm happy to have it moved if that's what is determined.
There's this study by Norman Fenton about vaccines, in which he claims that, due to inaccurate and incomplete data recording in the UK, an incorrect picture of vaccine efficacy is being painted. He says, basically, that there's no essential difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people in terms of hospitalisations and deaths. This is being taken as meaning that the vaccination programme should be halted.
There's a fair amount of maths and sciency stuff in here, which is beyond my own ability to understand and critique. I was wondering if anyone else here had seen this, and could give some input on it?
I note that it does not yet appear to have been peer reviewed, so I can't find any reports in the web about it.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...cannot_be_trusted_and_what_we_can_do_about_it
 
Cat Not Included said:
OK, so I'm sure this has been explained somewhere in the many preceding pages, but since I haven't been following along...since the pandemic is fake, what's actually happening to the people getting sick? Like, when my brother lost his sense of smell and taste for a month, or my neighbor spent a while on the hospital and is now having to use regular oxygen for probably the rest of this life, what actually happened to make them sick? Are there secret ninja 'fake disease' teams running around the world spraying people's food with exotic poisons to simulate the spread of the non-existent disease?
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It's a mixture of re-labeling of the common flu and the results of constant, ruthless fear-mongering since almost two years. The latter has psychosomatic effects.
 
Childlike Empress said:
It's a mixture of re-labeling of the common flu and the results of constant, ruthless fear-mongering since almost two years. The latter has psychosomatic effects.
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The "government is out to get you" fear mongering that you and your ilk are so vested in has been going on for a lot longer than 2 years. A little introspective application of the psychosomatic effects of your own fears could be beneficial.

Oh yeah, and this post I quoted is complete bs. And you know it.
 
Steve said:
The "government is out to get you" fear mongering that you and your ilk are so vested in has been going on for a lot longer than 2 years. A little introspective application of the psychosomatic effects of your own fears could be beneficial.
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There is no such thing as "the government". Surface clowns like the totally deranged "leaders" in "western" countries, like Joe Biden, Boris Johnson, Olaf Scholz, Mario Draghi, the miserable little wanna-be dictators in you happy police state colony, are not calling the shots. And you know it.™.
 
Childlike Empress said:
It's a mixture of re-labeling of the common flu and the results of constant, ruthless fear-mongering since almost two years. The latter has psychosomatic effects.
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Actually, most of the fear-mongering is coming from you. You are the only one Kremlin trembling in fear of a global fascist tovarich takeover.
Oh, and I will put in the now oligarchy obligatory request for evidence for your claims.
You will, of course, ignore it, but your constant and consistent refuseniks refusals to support your claims stack up and are noted:
Can psychosomatic effects account for excess deaths around the world, even in countries like Brazil, where the government narrative is that vodka Covid is not dangerous? Does the Internet Research Agency have a handy fact-sheet you can make use of?
 
Childlike Empress said:
There is no such thing as "the government". Surface clowns like the totally deranged "leaders" in "western" countries, like Joe Biden, Boris Johnson, Olaf Scholz, Mario Draghi, the miserable little wanna-be dictators in you happy police state colony, are not calling the shots. And you know it.™.
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I'll take Joe Biden over scum like Putin any day.
 
Childlike Empress said:
There is no such thing as "the government". Surface clowns like the totally deranged "leaders" in "western" countries, like Joe Biden, Boris Johnson, Olaf Scholz, Mario Draghi, the miserable little wanna-be dictators in you happy police state colony, are not calling the shots. And you know it.™.
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Right. It's the shape-shifting reptilian aliens that David Icke warned you about.

There's also no such thing as "medical science". Those millions of professionals world-wide telling us about the risks of COVID-19 and how best to mitigate the dangers are all just crisis actors following orders from the ulra-organized, virtually omniscient Jewish/reptile families that control everything.

And those millions of COVID-19 "deaths" were all just more shape-shifting alien reptiles giving really convincing performances, then returning to their own dimension. And their "families"? More crisis actors.

Truly, only the smartest person we've ever encountered could see such a fiendishly brilliant plot, cleverly disguised to appear as a ******* moronic, self-aggrandizing delusion to those of mere average intelligence.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
It's a mixture of re-labeling of the common flu and the results of constant, ruthless fear-mongering since almost two years. The latter has psychosomatic effects.
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I am disappointed that the smartest person anyone is ever likely to encounter posted something so stupid.
 
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Cosmic Yak said:
There have been several recorded cases of conspiracy theorists admitted to hospital with Covid, insisting literally to their dying breaths that they don't have Covid, they can't have Covid, because it doesn't exist, and demanding the doctors tell them what's really wrong with them.
Add to that the idea of 'vicsims' and 'crisis actors', which enables all specific cases to be handwaved away.
I have also been told that all tests for Covid are completely inaccurate, and so, for example, you can test positive if you have hayfever.
Lastly, let's not forget that, in their eyes, all the doctors and nurses are in on it, and so any diagnosis is instantly suspect.
It's essentially an elaborate means of denying reality, even if that reality is literally killing you.
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This is a good example of the suckers -- those who actually believe the FUD and disinfo they're being spoonfed, but it gets a lot worse. It's no secret that Russia is actively spreading disinfo to undermine the West. Between them and the scammers who will stoop to cash in on death and suffering, I think no amount of condemnation and contempt is enough, and that's why I'll never be quiet about this.
 
Vienna assplodes!

Gigantic eructations in Australian capital! Tens of thousands! Streets impossible! Kafe! Klatsch! Torte!

Yeah, well. Has the MSM covered it? Are you seeing it on your feed? Your TV? Turn on your radio (how quaint!) and try if you can hear about it! Nothing, right?

That proves it! The absence of evidence is conclusive! If they wanted you simpletons to hear anything -- oh, you would, you WOULD!

I looked at a deutsch live channel from that other town CE (PBUHim) told about. Cops everywhere! Hardly a civvie in sight! All behind barb wire by now, you can be sure!

Me & CE are sure.
 
Childlike Empress said:
It's a mixture of re-labeling of the common flu and the results of constant, ruthless fear-mongering since almost two years. The latter has psychosomatic effects.
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Where I live, at least, the death rate has climbed by quite a bit, and the infection rate by more than quite a bit, while statistics for flu, long kept, have remained in effect. So even if you were right that Covid is a hoax and really just flu, it would be woefully inaccurate to call it "common flu," since it clearly is a much greater killer than the common flu has been for a very long time. I think you're entirely wrong, but even if you were not, you'd be very wrong indeed to call this "common."

As for the idea of a psychosomatic effect, aside from there being no evidence that it exists, it ought to be fairly obvious that the people most afraid of Covid are the ones who get vaccinated, mask, and isolate, and that a preponderant number of those who get it and die are those who are not afraid of it. The press abounds with people who deny to their last dying breath that it exists, so how can the psychosomatic effect be the same for people who deny it as for people who acknowledge it? It's an equal-opportunity killer.
 
Childlike Empress said:
There is no such thing as "the government". Surface clowns like the totally deranged "leaders" in "western" countries, like Joe Biden, Boris Johnson, Olaf Scholz, Mario Draghi, the miserable little wanna-be dictators in you happy police state colony, are not calling the shots. And you know it.™.
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Well it seems you already worship a fully deranged dictator running a police state and calling the shots. No wanna-be required. And indeed no government worthy of the name.

Now, about that introspective look at your own psychosomatic reaction following the many years of your own abject fear of western democracy that almost literally jumps out of this post.....
 
bruto said:
Where I live, at least, the death rate has climbed by quite a bit, and the infection rate by more than quite a bit, while statistics for flu, long kept, have remained in effect. So even if you were right that Covid is a hoax and really just flu, it would be woefully inaccurate to call it "common flu," since it clearly is a much greater killer than the common flu has been for a very long time. I think you're entirely wrong, but even if you were not, you'd be very wrong indeed to call this "common."
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Where I live, death rates are down and "infection" rates are up - due to excessive "testing" with the moronic PCR-Test by Dr. Osten. Statistics for flu have shown an over 95% decline in 2020. No excess mortatility at all for 2020. Excess mortality has started since the "vaccination" campaign and is now a real thing.

bruto said:
As for the idea of a psychosomatic effect, aside from there being no evidence that it exists, it ought to be fairly obvious that the people most afraid of Covid are the ones who get vaccinated, mask, and isolate, and that a preponderant number of those who get it and die are those who are not afraid of it. The press abounds with people who deny to their last dying breath that it exists, so how can the psychosomatic effect be the same for people who deny it as for people who acknowledge it? It's an equal-opportunity killer.
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Going back to that crooked "mayor" of Hamburg, it has just srfaced that his claim that over 90% of "COVID"-patients in intensive care units are "unvaccinated" was completely false. Fact is that over 60% of patients had an "unknown" vaccination status (if you can believe that), and all of them were automatically counted as "unvaccinated". Updated numbers say that around 14% of the "COVID"-patiens in ICUs were "unvaccinated". Which is below the actual number of "unvaccinated" in Germany. Certainly one reason for the huge masses protesting today in Hamburg.

A similar "scandal" happened in Bavaria and I'm sure in other places of the world. The whole idiocy of "the pandemic of the unvaccinated" has been debunked. That's why they now come up with the "moronic" variant. Notice that all those slogans are handed top-down and are parroted in several languages in the relevant countries.
 
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Cosmic Yak said:
Apologies if this has been discussed before- if I missed that, then do please link me to the right place.
I'm also placing this in CTs, rather than science, as I think it is more suitable here. Again, I'm happy to have it moved if that's what is determined.
There's this study by Norman Fenton about vaccines, in which he claims that, due to inaccurate and incomplete data recording in the UK, an incorrect picture of vaccine efficacy is being painted. He says, basically, that there's no essential difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people in terms of hospitalisations and deaths. This is being taken as meaning that the vaccination programme should be halted.
There's a fair amount of maths and sciency stuff in here, which is beyond my own ability to understand and critique. I was wondering if anyone else here had seen this, and could give some input on it?
I note that it does not yet appear to have been peer reviewed, so I can't find any reports in the web about it.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...cannot_be_trusted_and_what_we_can_do_about_it
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This is my phase plot of hospital admissions vs cases (by specimen date) and both against time from Sept 2020 to Dec 15th 2021 for London.

[IMGW=640]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FG6aRPJX0AMWxFB?format=png&name=large[/IMGW]

After a long time bumping along in the third wave, things are starting to take off again.

ETA: You can see how vaccination has made the third wave less dangerous per case than the second
 
Of course, Germany had lots and lots of excess deaths in 2020 and 2021. It was more than 25% over the expected number of deaths per week during this time last year, and we are seeing the same pattern again to end 2021 - over 25% excess deaths per week. The weekly expected death numbers were greater than 0 almost every week since Spring of 2020.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
 
carlitos said:
Of course, Germany had lots and lots of excess deaths in 2020 and 2021. It was more than 25% over the expected number of deaths per week during this time last year, and we are seeing the same pattern again to end 2021 - over 25% excess deaths per week. The weekly expected death numbers were greater than 0 almost every week since Spring of 2020.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker
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Complete bollocks you parrot from the controlled media you consume/google. No excess mortatility in 2020 in Germany if you do proper statistics (with the official data). You have to adjust for population growth and aging of society etc. Learn something carlitos:

https://bittel.tv/wp-content/uploads/simple-file-list/Deutschland-29.09.2021.pdf
 
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Wasn't it Churchill who said "never trust a statistic you haven't forged yourself?".

The official data comes from the RKI, allegedly known as "Robert Koch Institute", but for extremely bright people like myself better known as the "Ruthless Kartel Institute". Although the basic work is professional. It's just that the veterinarian "in charge" of it goes on stage, with the report in his hand, and lies about the data of his own institute. Lothar Wieler is one of the main culprits in the plandemic nonsense on German soil and will end up in prison where he belongs.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Complete bollocks you parrot from the controlled media you consume/google. No excess mortatility in 2020 in Germany if you do proper statistics (with the official data). You have to adjust for population growth and aging of society etc. Learn something carlitos:

https://bittel.tv/wp-content/uploads/simple-file-list/Deutschland-29.09.2021.pdf
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Let's just look at the raw numbers by week.
[imgw=640]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1449461be479c2330f.png[/imgw]



Germany did well in the first wave but by 2021 it is not the case.

ETA: Germany is also far better than the UK, for example

[imgw=640]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1449461be490410c20.png[/imgw]
 
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