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Old 24th December 2021, 02:31 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
The only source that I think I agree with completely is Kit Knightly, a former Guardian investigative reporter
I note you have not even bothered to pause to acknowledge that the highlighted is a 100% false statement before posting a link to yet another utterly worthless source.
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Old 24th December 2021, 03:00 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
I note you have not even bothered to pause to acknowledge that the highlighted is a 100% false statement before posting a link to yet another utterly worthless source.
Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:

Is COVID becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated?
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...accinated.html

And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself:
https://www.corbettreport.com/interv...rona-coverage/

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Old 24th December 2021, 04:26 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:

Is COVID becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated?
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...accinated.html

And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself:
https://www.corbettreport.com/interv...rona-coverage/
Why did you claim he was a former Guardian journalist?
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Old 24th December 2021, 05:35 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Russell Brand.

Give Tom Palven a smidgin of credit for using the descriptor *amusing*. for certain definitions, of course.

But as a deflection from his claim that Kit Knightly was a former Guardian journalist it is a total failure.
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Old 24th December 2021, 06:03 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:

Is COVID becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated?
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...accinated.html
Tom Palven, what is your position on vaccines? Are you vaccinated yourself?
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Old 24th December 2021, 06:22 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:

Is COVID becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated?
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...accinated.html
There are lots of things the vaccine doesn't do that were also never promised, and you can read about them in this dumbass article.
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Old 24th December 2021, 07:54 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Russell Brand.

What? He's a former investigative journalist for The Guardian.
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Old 24th December 2021, 08:09 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself:
https://www.corbettreport.com/interv...rona-coverage/
Ah, the Corbett Report - A cesspool of conspiracy theory nuttery. I'm not wasting a half hour of my time watching that crap. Just tell us if that's where Knightly claimed to have been an investigative journalist for The Guardian.

Given your position that you're here to correct most members of this forum regarding the Truth®, it would be interesting if you uncritically accepted a lie, yes?

And if you are, yourself, the source of the lie - well then that would be interesting, too.
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Old 24th December 2021, 08:16 AM   #249
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Even the airlines are in on it.
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Dec 24 (Reuters) - United Airlines and Delta Air Lines (DAL.N)have canceled hundreds of Christmas Eve flights, as the spreading COVID-19 Omicron variant takes a toll on its flight crews and other workers.

Chicago-based United on Thursday canceled 120 flights for Friday, while Atlanta-based Delta said it had canceled about 90. Both said they were working to contact passengers so they would not be stranded at airports.

FlightAware on Friday said United has now canceled 169 flights on Christmas Eve and Delta has canceled 127, along with another 50 canceled flights for United on Christmas and 89 for Delta.

The flight tracking firm said the current number of Christmas Eve flights canceled globally is 2,029, with 448 canceled in the United States.

"The nationwide spike in Omicron cases this week has had a direct impact on our flight crews and the people who run our operation. As a result, we’ve unfortunately had to cancel some flights and are notifying impacted customers in advance of them coming to the airport," United said on Thursday.
The real story is that the flight crew shortages were actually caused by multiple motorcycle accidents.
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Anti-vaxxer presents opinions from vaccinated? What?

Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:

Is COVID becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated?
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...accinated.html

And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself:
https://www.corbettreport.com/interv...rona-coverage/
Brian C. Joondeph, MD, is a vaccinated physician and writer who seems to hate Biden, just as Clownstick is warming up to Biden. Eye doctor specialist has opinions... and is vaccinated. What was your point?

If you like extreme far right BS, you won with americanthinker

If you like tin foil hat special BS, you won again with corbettreport (did you listen to all of it?)

If you like less facts more woo, you won with both
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I had the experience of interacting with some 9/11 truth people in the bbc “comment is free” sections. Naming your conspiracy website after the fact that you’ve been banned as an internet commenter is certainly on brand for these idiots.

Tom Palvern - was Kit Knightley an investigative reporter for The Guardian? Did he have a Wikipedia page?
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Old 24th December 2021, 12:59 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Tom Palven, what is your position on vaccines? Are you vaccinated yourself?
Yes, I had to be doubly vaccinated to travel to Mexico and the Balkans recently.


Vaccines have been extremely useful in the prevention of smallpox, polio, and other diseases.

Not so much with cold viruses, including coronaviruses.
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Old 24th December 2021, 01:18 PM   #253
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I am happy to see that German Antifas protested against the right-wing antivaxxer rally yesterday.

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Antifaschistischer Gegenprotest
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Thousands participate in forbidden demonstration against corona measures in Munic.
Antifa counter protest
Anti-vaxxers overrun the police
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Old 24th December 2021, 01:57 PM   #254
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Vaccines have been extremely useful in the prevention of smallpox, polio, and other diseases.

Not so much with cold viruses, including coronaviruses.
Based on the poor quality of your sources, I'm going to have to disbelieve you, unless your point is that all diseases aren't exactly the same. Even still, I'm sure smallpox and polio continued to look grim for some time even after vaccines were introduced. These weren't problems that were solved overnight.

The bottom line is that we have no idea what kind of success covid vaccines will have over the long term because we're still in the short term. But one thing for sure: politicized BS and other forms of health disinfo don't help matters one bit.
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Old 24th December 2021, 02:01 PM   #255
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Yes, I had to be doubly vaccinated to travel to Mexico and the Balkans recently.


Vaccines have been extremely useful in the prevention of smallpox, polio, and other diseases.

Not so much with cold viruses, including coronaviruses.
Again, Tom, if COVID-19 is just a cold virus, then that means that the world's medical science community is either inferior to you in their knowledge of microbiology, or they're all part of a cortoonishly evil global conspiracy.

Both of those scenarios are laughably asinine.

We've watched you obstinately double down on being wrong about a number of things (or simply ignore the obvious implications of your claims), including, most recently, identifying a source as a former investigative for The Guardian when he clearly never was. So what in the world makes you think we're going to conclude that you are right and millions of doctors, nurses and biologists are wrong, especially when the only sources you seem able to produce are crackpots or worse?
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Old 24th December 2021, 02:33 PM   #256
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Again, Tom, if COVID-19 is just a cold virus, then that means that the world's medical science community is either inferior to you in their knowledge of microbiology, or they're all part of a cortoonishly evil global conspiracy.

We've watched you obstinately double down on being wrong about a number of things (or simply ignore the obvious implications of your claims), including, most recently, identifying a source as a former investigative for The Guardian when he clearly never was.
The Guardian published investigative reports from Kit Knightly until it banned him for being politically incorrect.

If that's not enough to call him an investigative reporter in your opinion, that's perfectly fine with me, and I won't argue the point.

Some people claim that Glenn Greenwald and Julian Assange are not investigative journalists, despite Greenwald winning a Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism, among other qualifications.

I agree with Knightly, who has never claimed that there is global Covid conspiracy. I think that he is correct on his 30 points.

My own opinion, as I've said, is that Covid-19 is not a plague of Biblical proportions, but a perfect storm of circumstances and vested interests.
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
The Guardian published investigative reports from Kit Knightly
If that's true you'll have no trouble linking to one of them.
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
The Guardian published investigative reports from Kit Knightly until it banned him for being politically incorrect.
That's not true. Either Knightly made that up to boost his credibility, or someone else made it up. Either way you were duped - unless you are yourself the source of that lie.

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If that's not enough to call him an investigative reporter in your opinion, that's perfectly fine with me, and I won't argue the point.
Posting on a newspaper's publicly accessible forum does not make one an investigative reporter for that publication.

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Some people claim that Glenn Greenwald and Julian Assange are not investigative journalists, despite Greenwald winning a Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism, among other qualifications.
They have **** all to do with Knightly's status as a "former investigative journalist for The Guardian".

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I agree with Knightly, who has never claimed that there is global Covid conspiracy. I think that he is correct on his 30 points.
You presented him as an authority without further investigation because he agreed with what you already believe. You've done that a number of times.

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My own opinion, as I've said, is that Covid-19 is not a plague of Biblical proportions, but a perfect storm of circumstances and vested interests.
"Plague of Biblical proportions" is a straw man that you've resorted to in order to dismiss the scientific consensus that COVID-19 is a genuine threat that has killed over 800,000 people in the U.S. alone. You pretend that the consensus is that the pandemic is akin to the bubonic plague of the 14th Century, or the fictional "superflu" from the novel The Stand. You do this so that you can dismiss them as wrong, even though they've never said anything of the sort. It's like when creationists pretend that biologists say that evolution means there shouldn't be any monkeys left, even though they never said anything remotely like that.

So where did you get that Knightly was an investigative reporter for The Guardian? Did you read it somewhere, or did you make it up yourself to make him seem more credible than the crackpot he is?
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My own opinion, as I've said, is that Covid-19 is not a plague of Biblical proportions, but a perfect storm of circumstances and vested interests.
A strawman of your own invention. Covid-19 is a virus that has killed over 5 million worldwide, and has permanently injured multi-millions more. This is the objective reality despite the worst efforts of disinformationists.
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
The Guardian published investigative reports from Kit Knightly until it banned him for being politically incorrect.
What is your evidence for this?
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What is your evidence for this?
Kit Knightly was a voluntary commentator at the Guardian during the Ukraine crisis in 2014. If that doesn't qualify him as an investigative reporter, or at least a fledgling investigative reporter in your opinion, so be it.

Was Julian Assange an investigative journalist before his imprisonment?

I say yes. A lot of people disagree.
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Kit Knightly was a voluntary commentator at the Guardian during the Ukraine crisis in 2014. If that doesn't qualify him as an investigative reporter, or at least a fledgling investigative reporter in your opinion, so be it.

Was Julian Assange an investigative journalist before his imprisonment?

I say yes. A lot of people disagree.
So if I post some comments on the Guardian does it make me a Guardian Investigative Journalist?
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Kit Knightly was a voluntary commentator at the Guardian during the Ukraine crisis in 2014. If that doesn't qualify him as an investigative reporter, or at least a fledgling investigative reporter in your opinion, so be it.

Was Julian Assange an investigative journalist before his imprisonment?

I say yes. A lot of people disagree.
I have seen some grasping at straws in my time to try to save a failed statement . If there was a straw grasping hall of fame this would be a charter member.
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Kit Knightly was a voluntary commentator at the Guardian during the Ukraine crisis in 2014. If that doesn't qualify him as an investigative reporter, or at least a fledgling investigative reporter in your opinion, so be it.
No, he appears never to have been an investigative reporter, not that it matters. Following the principle of "you are what you do", Knightly is a font of disinfo and propaganda. You can try to fancy it up all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Kit Knightly was a voluntary commentator at the Guardian during the Ukraine crisis in 2014. If that doesn't qualify him as an investigative reporter, or at least a fledgling investigative reporter in your opinion, so be it.

Was Julian Assange an investigative journalist before his imprisonment?

I say yes. A lot of people disagree.
This is what it looks like when a pathological, or at least habitual, liar gets caught in an obvious lie.

Kit Knightly has never been what any honest person would characterize as an investigative journalist working for The Guardian, any more than you could be characterized as a researcher for the James Sandi Educational Foundation merely by the act of posting to this forum.

Kit Knightly is an idiot. You keep coming up with idiots when you attempt your scientifically antithetical quest for anyone who supports your claims. Perhaps you should ask yourself why that is.
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Does anyone else have any thoughts as to whether the world's medical science community is too dumb to figure out that it's just the flu and people are dying of hysterical delusions, or if they're all part of an evil empire of deception and fully committed to the hoax?
This is an excellent question which is being repeatedly ignored.
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No, he appears never to have been an investigative reporter, not that it matters. Following the principle of "you are what you do", Knightly is a font of disinfo and propaganda. You can try to fancy it up all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.
You've made it perfectly clear that you do not consider Kit Knightly to be an investigative reporter, but would you indulge my question as to whether you consider Julian Assange and/or Glenn Greenwald to be investigative journalists?

What are your facts regarding them?
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:

Is COVID becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated?
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...accinated.html

And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself:
https://www.corbettreport.com/interv...rona-coverage/
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Yes, I had to be doubly vaccinated to travel to Mexico and the Balkans recently.


Vaccines have been extremely useful in the prevention of smallpox, polio, and other diseases.

Not so much with cold viruses, including coronaviruses.
Thanks for your answer.
Here's the thing:
Your first source is written by someone who has been vaccinated, and who is not anti-vaccine. Your second one is by someone who says that vaccines are ineffective and potentially dangerous.
Which one of these are you going to disown?
My guess is the second, your hero, your Knightly in Shiting Armour, as you yourself have had the jab.
It might make your claims more coherent and less foolish-looking if you actually read your own links. Just saying.
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Thanks for your answer.

It might make your claims more coherent and less foolish-looking if you actually read your own links. Just saying.
Thanks for the tip.

Happy Holidays.
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Thanks for the tip.

Happy Holidays.
Oooh! Passive-aggressive! Not sure that'll help either.
Which of your contradictory sources are you going to reject, Tom Palven?
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Kit Knightly was a voluntary commentator at the Guardian during the Ukraine crisis in 2014. If that doesn't qualify him as an investigative reporter, or at least a fledgling investigative reporter in your opinion, so be it.
That puts him in exactly the same category as me: I have commented widely and extensively BTL on Teh Graun, especially about matters concerning healthcare (the less said about my comments on cricket the better); I was a regular contributor to a nursing blogging site, writing especially about mental health and NHS management.

So, I am an investigative journalist, according to your definition.

I shall link to an analysis of Knightly's pieces (again) just to highlight the quality of his "investigative journalism" - https://healthfeedback.org/authors/kit-knightly/
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The only source that I think I agree with completely is Kit Knightly, a former Guardian investigative reporter
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The Guardian published investigative reports from Kit Knightly until it banned him for being politically incorrect.
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Kit Knightly was a voluntary commentator at the Guardian during the Ukraine crisis in 2014. If that doesn't qualify him as an investigative reporter, or at least a fledgling investigative reporter in your opinion, so be it.
This is so funny.....
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The only source that I think I agree with completely is Kit Knightly, a former Guardian investigative reporter who now has a website called Off Guardian.<snip>
Then I assume you agree with the various lies he promulgates? About the lack of excess mortality due to Covid? Or his lie about the CDC changing the criteria for PCR tests?
You're pushing the same far-right, libertarian, nonsense.
Pathetic.
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By the way, I've just done a search on the Guardian's website: no results at all for Kit Knightly.
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This is so funny.....
And yet desperate
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Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:<snip>
Factually inaccurate, fr-right conspiracy nuttery? Yep I'll cheerfully deem it useless.

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And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself: <snip>
So what? Will you be admitting you lied about his background?
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Even the airlines are in on it.


The real story is that the flight crew shortages were actually caused by multiple motorcycle accidents.
A friend of mine and his partner won't be joining us for the Generic Mid-winter Festival fest as they're both now working, due to the shortage of medical staff.
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The Guardian published investigative reports from Kit Knightly
Proof?

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....it banned him for being politically incorrect.
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If that's not enough to call him an investigative reporter in your opinion, that's perfectly fine with me, and I won't argue the point.
Pathetic attempt to evade noted.
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That puts him in exactly the same category as me: I have commented widely and extensively BTL on Teh Graun, especially about matters concerning healthcare...
So, I am an investigative journalist, according to your definition.
You have studied the situation, tried to put 2 and 2 together, and have published your opinions, so on that basis I would say that you are an investigative reporter.

But, the opinions of investigative reporters (and everyone else in the world) differ with each other to some extent.

I happen to agree with Mattias Desmond, a Belgian philosophy professor and statistician by training, with regard to excess deaths.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqPJiM5Ir3A

Am I cherry-picking?

Call it what you want to.

I am providing an opinion from a highly qualified person who would seem to have nothing to gain from expressing this opinion.

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Even the airlines are in on it.


The real story is that the flight crew shortages were actually caused by multiple motorcycle accidents.
Could it be that the shortages were due to mandatory testing which detected common colds?
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