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Old 3rd August 2022, 08:14 PM   #561
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
So masculine!
He's jealous of the Finns who have shown real Masculinity on several occasions....The Winter War comes to mind.
And Hawley showed us his full masculinty on Jan.6th.
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Old 4th August 2022, 01:55 AM   #562
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Gaetz doesn’t have a vote. He's a congress person not a US Senator.

If you'd bothered to read the two posts immediately before the one to which you responded, you would have seen that I pointed this out to Vixen. 18 Republicans, including Gaetz, voted against a non-binding House resolution expressing support for Finland and Sweden's accession.
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Old 4th August 2022, 02:32 AM   #563
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I assume Gaetz objects to Finland's aggressive prosecution of those who hire prostitutes. Finland famously doesn't make selling sex illegal but paying for it is. I can see where Gaetz would have an objection.
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Old 4th August 2022, 03:00 AM   #564
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Here is a page that tracks which member countries have ratified the ascension of Finland and Sweden to NATO, and which are yet upcoming:

https://www.nato-pa.int/content/finl...eden-accession

Fellow Scandinavians Denmark, Iceland and Norway, along with Finlands sister nation Estland as well as Canada and the UK were the first, on July 5th[*] and 6th.
One country named upthread as a potential hold-out is Croatia - they ratified on the 15th.

With the vote in the US Senate, 23 nations have ratified as of now[**].

Still waiting for 7:
Czech Republic
Greece
Hungary
Portugal
Slovakia
Spain
Türkiye
Of these, Hungary and Turkey may play hard-to-get.

---[*] "The accession protocols for both countries were signed on 5 July after completion of accession talks." - I assume that those protocols are the very thing member nations are given for ratification, so those nations that ratified on the 5 July did it essentially immediately.
[**] "Now" is only 29 days, just under a month, since the accession protocols were signed. That's super fast! I remember we talked whether ratification would be done before year-end
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To expand a bit on what I wrote earlier, Orban may run his mouth or ask for minor concessions, but at the end of the day he can't afford to piss off Poland, so he won't make any demands that could seriously delay or derail the process.

Erdoğan is more likely to actually cause delays, but if his demands are too unreasonable he'll eventually find the consequences for Turkey aren't worth whatever he hopes to gain.
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Old 5th August 2022, 01:21 PM   #566
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(Same in US-UK source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...turkey-ukraine)
Erdogan met Putin. HS makes no mention of NATO, and Ukraine only in connection with grain. Turkey is in involved in some economic unit unfamiliar to me.

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RECENTLY , the Russian media has also written that Turkey could be joining Brics. On Friday, however, it was not known whether this issue would be raised in the presidents' conversation.

"Also among the Brics countries, there has been talk of new members joining," says Alaranta.

In addition to Russia, the Brics group includes India, South Africa, China and Brazil. It is a group of emerging economic powers that wants to challenge the leading position of Western countries - especially the United States - in the world economy.

In addition to Turkey, it is estimated that Egypt, among others, is possibly joining the group.

IN ADDITION, the presidents' talks dealt with grain shipments from Black Sea ports in Ukraine.

On Friday, Turkey reported that three grain ships have left Odessa, Ukraine. One of the ships sails under the flag of Panama, one under the flag of Turkey and one under the flag of Malta.

Ukraine's seaborne grain shipments were disrupted after Russia launched a large-scale invasion of the country in February. The first grain ship was able to leave the port of Odessa for Lebanon on Monday.

Ukraine and Russia are the world's two largest grain exporters. The war between the countries made food prices for poor countries unreasonably expensive, and the UN, among other things, feared that this would cause famine in the poorest countries.

ACCORDING TO ALARANTA , it is also noteworthy that Erdoğan is the first NATO leader to travel to Russia since Russia launched a full-scale war of aggression against Ukraine in February.

He generally describes the relations between Turkey and Russia as a long-term relationship with better and worse moments. The last time the two countries were in crisis was when Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet on its border with Syria in 2015. Since then, Turkey's relations with Russia have become closer again, while relations with the West have been more difficult.
https://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000008986971.html
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Turkey parliament will take up NATO thing at the earliest in October.
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