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What is the MAGAchuds’s beef with Disney?

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I see that the right-wing Trumpers are lining up outside Disney, not to go on the rides, but to wave **** Biden and Let’s Go Brandon flags and scream and bellyache about something.

But what??!?

They seem to be calling Disney “Groomers” but where does this come from? Apparently it is something to do with them not being homophobic or some criticism of Ron DeSantis and not paying to his campaign….

Is that really it? Is Disney somehow obliged to pay for a GOP governor’s campaign and if they don’t do so they somehow get angry mobs set on them and have some kinds of legal statuses revoked?
 
Disney basically protested the “Don’t say gay” law and the red cap squad started in with their newly learned word: groomers. Doesn’t matter who you are or what you are the QAnon crowd will call you their new word. Cuck was the old one.
 
The difference is what it allows them to do from there. Because sometime last month phase 2 seems to have started, namely posts and memes all over the place about how only a bullet cures paedophilia. Effectively the whole point before seems to have been to turn it into a dog whistle. Now they can encourage each other for the sequel to the last attack on Washington DC, except without it going on record as "that guy was advocating an armed terrorist attack on the government" if things go pear shaped again and a DA ends up reading those. No, see, unlike his other QAnon posts, this time he was just really talking about actual paedos.

You can't really do that with "cuck" or not without just sounding like a complete lunatic.
 
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Maybe it's nostalgia. All those aging guys remember their golden childhoods when the Mickey Mouse Club aired their favorite cartoons of the happy darkies larking on the plantation, and the laughing natives in their grass skirts dancing ooga booga to stop the volcanoes. Now Minnie wears the pants and Donald the bare-assed cuck lets her. Nothing stings like betrayal.
 
Putin has his Special Military Operation to distract the credulous rubes from the country's ills.

The American Taliban in waiting has their outrage du jour to distract the deplorables from said Taliban wannabes' bankruptcies of policy.
 
Nice of them to parade around in groups at Disneyland so later they can be better identified.
 
Lurch said:
Putin has his Special Military Operation to distract the credulous rubes from the country's ills.

The American Taliban in waiting has their outrage du jour to distract the deplorables from said Taliban wannabes' bankruptcies of policy.
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That is pretty simplistic in explianing why Putin invaded the Ukrakne.
 
The religious right has hated Disney for decades. Ever since they changed from their "more American than apple pie" stuff of the late sixties. Just look at Donald Duck -- he doesn't even wear pants! And people with facial hair can now get into their parks! And then there's stuff like "Mulan" -- Chicom Feminists!
 
Trebuchet said:
The religious right has hated Disney for decades. Ever since they changed from their "more American than apple pie" stuff of the late sixties. Just look at Donald Duck -- he doesn't even wear pants! And people with facial hair can now get into their parks! And then there's stuff like "Mulan" -- Chicom Feminists!
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Disney has even gone so far as to now have a BLACK princess! :jaw-dropp

That has to be an attempt to brainwash their children with some CRT!
 
Stacyhs said:
Disney has even gone so far as to now have a BLACK princess! :jaw-dropp

That has to be an attempt to brainwash their children with some CRT!
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And another princess who isn't interested in romance and doesn't find true love at the end of her movie. An obvious lesbian.
(I really did see this claim about Elsa in Frozen.)
 
Disney, at least on the surface, embraces multiculturalism and female heroes. The right needs to distract the population with culture-war drivel that they themselves know is baseless in order to shield themselves from the consequences of disastrous COVID policies and Putin butt-licking; as well as, more importantly, to hide the coup they are presently conducting.
 
For reference:
Christopher Rufo said:
“We have successfully frozen their brand—'critical race theory’—into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category,” Rufo wrote. “The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think 'critical race theory.’ We have decodified the term and will recodify it to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans.”
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All Disney animated movies are beyond their comprehensions levels. They involve complex story lines and run for longer than a 30-second Tik Tok video. And they don't have funny voice-overs or subtitles.

Disney also made some animated children's movies with Native Americans, African Americans, Chinese, Mexicans, Polynesians, Indians, mermaids, animals, Italian puppets, and Tom Hanks in them. And none of them involved mass shootings or insurrections. How's a decent upstanding Magachud going to wrap his tiny head around all that?! Unacceptable! RAAAAGH!
 
Shadowdweller said:
Disney, at least on the surface, embraces multiculturalism and female heroes. The right needs to distract the population with culture-war drivel that they themselves know is baseless in order to shield themselves from the consequences of disastrous COVID policies and Putin butt-licking; as well as, more importantly, to hide the coup they are presently conducting.
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Among the hilarious/sad parts is that Disney really hasn't embraced these things. More, "they're being dragged struggling into making small forward advances in these areas because they grudgingly confess that maybe it sells".
 
Shadowdweller said:
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Originally Posted by Christopher Rufo
“We have successfully frozen their brand—'critical race theory’—into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category,” Rufo wrote. “The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think 'critical race theory.’ We have decodified the term and will recodify it to annex the entire range of cultural constructions that are unpopular with Americans.”
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This I don't doubt at all. Their target audience isn't the brightest. After all, they're the same audience that Trump went after and won.
 
Why are they upset with Disney? I would say that these conservatives probably feel they have a pretty good idea of where this is all headed. They know it is only just a matter of time before even pedophiles are officially considered one of the "alphabet people". They see the perversion of children's minds already at play.

So, when Disney takes a political stand seemingly supporting what is popularly considered by many to be perverse, you can expect some backlash. Especially since Disney is supposedly "child-centric" in the eyes of many.
 
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Wow, that's right up front, isn't it. It's basically saying "we're making up a big lie to fool the public into doing something wrong." And it's working just fine, too.
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Yup. It doesn't matter what Disney did or didn't do. The important thing is to always always always have a revanchist target. An "other" that has been the source of all their problems instead of their predatory leaders. The orcs will be so focused on what's in everyone else's pants they won't notice their own pockets being picked.
 
Warp12 said:
Why are they upset with Disney? I would say that these conservatives probably feel they have a pretty good idea of where this is all headed. They know it is only just a matter of time before even pedophiles are officially considered one of the "alphabet people". They see the perversion of children's minds already at play.
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To "know" something like what I highlighted, they'd have to be really, really stupid. So you're probably right.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Yup. It doesn't matter what Disney did or didn't do. The important thing is to always always always have a revanchist target. An "other" that has been the source of all their problems instead of their predatory leaders. The orcs will be so focused on what's in everyone else's pants they won't notice their own pockets being picked.
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Yes, reactionaries always have enemies. They must. Without looming and dastardly foes, they lack motivation, and have nothing, literally nothing, to offer potential followers.

Hatred feels good in a group. It makes weak minds feel strong.

But politicizing Walt Disney? Jesus, that's reaching farther down the fascist barrel than any sane person could expect.

Why in hell am I talking about sanity?? It's 2022.
 
So far it seems that the Democratic Party's response to this endless series of manufactured crisis (CRT, trans boogiemen, "grooming" in schools) is to do nothing and pretend it doesn't exist.

Biden's administration is a lame duck thanks to moderates in the party. It's not like they can focus on "pocketbook" issues by passing good legislation. The flat-footedness on display here in response to outright fascist panic-mongering is really depressing.

If the party can't find a way to score political points against their opponents who are accusing everyone under the sun of being pedophiles I don't even know what to say. The lights are on but nobody's home.
 
sackett said:
Yes, reactionaries always have enemies. They must. Without looming and dastardly foes, they lack motivation, and have nothing, literally nothing, to offer potential followers.

Hatred feels good in a group. It makes weak minds feel strong.

But politicizing Walt Disney? Jesus, that's reaching farther down the fascist barrel than any sane person could expect.

Why in hell am I talking about sanity?? It's 2022.
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Revenge needs betrayal. Disney was supposed to be on their side, as one of the most conservative of the "media empires that any trailer park meth head would recognize" set. They'll let the gays in for Pride, but there still isn't hasn't been a gay character whose scene can't be easily cut for the Chinese market. But Disney opposed DeSantis's... whatever nonsense he's trying to push now in his bid for the 2024 campaign. That makes them an acceptable target, but it's not because of that. They were just in the spotlight when another target was needed.

And seriously, do you think Disney isn't already political? Who do you think initiated the era of perpetual copyright?

SuburbanTurkey said:
Biden's administration is a lame duck thanks to moderates in the party. It's not like they can focus on "pocketbook" issues by passing good legislation. The flat-footedness on display here in response to outright fascist panic-mongering is really depressing.
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People wanted Biden to be another Obama. Now we're getting Obama's midterm.

From the future cells of Gilead I'm sure we'll look back on this as a golden time and declare him to have been the last great president.
 
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And seriously, do you think Disney isn't already political? Who do you think initiated the era of perpetual copyright?
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For all the virtue signaling Disney does to market their products, they have always acted as shrewd as any other large corporation. Disney World isn't in Florida by accident and Disney has long been more than happy to support right wing politicians in order to sway political power in their favor.

It's a bit interesting that the right wing has decided to start going after their own in this way. While it's interesting to speculate about some big permanent schism between Disney and the GOP, it strikes me as far more likely that this is something that will simply blow over in time. Once the current pressure is off Disney will likely quietly resume donating to the Florida GOP.

It's interesting example to show how completely "cultural issues" have captured the right wing. Disney is a firm an ally of the right wing as they could have ever hoped for, but they can't stomach a bit of liberal pandering that Disney uses in its marketing. The right is willing to burn bridges over issues that Disney really can't budge on. It's not like Disney is going to transform itself into bible-land just to appease these freaks.
 
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The right is willing to burn bridges over issues that Disney really can't budge on.
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Do you see the Mouse's lawyers out? Then they're not burning anything, this is just agitprop. Pick a target your rubes will recognize, any target, pick an issue you can dogwhistle with, any issue, hammer it for a while to score what points you can and cloud public discourse, drop it and move on. Eventually enough will stick to get you more power and/or push through the things you actually want to do.

According to the news, the latest Florida BS is calling for math books to be banned because they use arabic numerals. They know exactly how stupid that is, but it makes the next stupid push go slightly farther for having stirred up at least some racists upset their kid might learn al-geebra instead of American Math like god damn Baby Trucker Jesus intended.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
So far it seems that the Democratic Party's response to this endless series of manufactured crisis (CRT, trans boogiemen, "grooming" in schools) is to do nothing and pretend it doesn't exist.

Biden's administration is a lame duck thanks to moderates in the party. It's not like they can focus on "pocketbook" issues by passing good legislation. The flat-footedness on display here in response to outright fascist panic-mongering is really depressing.

If the party can't find a way to score political points against their opponents who are accusing everyone under the sun of being pedophiles I don't even know what to say. The lights are on but nobody's home.
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I keep saying the way to fight this nonsense is to point out they are not serious adults interested in legislating. Belittle them.

All Democratic commercials/statements/speeches/etc should consist of 3 parts

1) what they have accomplished. Show people how the Democrats are addressing issues that affect everyone's lives.

2) the Republicans have no actual plans or policies. And they are apparently engaged in the same activity they falsely accuse others of. That's why they need this culture war and conspiracy nonsense.

3) Plans Democrats have that they are still working towards that will continue to improve people's lives.

Stop being ashamed of being Democrats, the party that's actually interested in doing the business of the people.
 
Donal said:
I keep saying the way to fight this nonsense is to point out they are not serious adults interested in legislating. Belittle them.

All Democratic commercials/statements/speeches/etc should consist of 3 parts

1) what they have accomplished. Show people how the Democrats are addressing issues that affect everyone's lives.

2) the Republicans have no actual plans or policies. And they are apparently engaged in the same activity they falsely accuse others of. That's why they need this culture war and conspiracy nonsense.

3) Plans Democrats have that they are still working towards that will continue to improve people's lives.
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Seems reasonable, no idea why this isn't already happening.

Donal said:
Stop being ashamed of being Democrats, the party that's actually interested in doing the business of the people.
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I don't think this is true though, they aren't interested in doing the business of the people. They routinely show they have no interest in legislating on broadly popular issues.
 
#1 is encumbered by the older accomplishments being eroded, gutted, or even reversed, and the list getting more sparse in frequency and diluted in impact as you approach the "in recent memory" end of the scale.
 
Donal said:
Stop being ashamed of being Democrats, the party that's actually interested in doing the business of the people.
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They're not ashamed of being Democrats, they're ashamed of Manchin and Sinema being Democrats. Nothing gets done without their support, they're not willing to support anything getting done, and I guarantee you Manchin has a placard in his office that says "Joe Manchin (R)" that he quietly gets out of a drawer and puts on the desk in every argument. It's perfectly logical that nothing is getting done, just as it's perfectly logical that voters in the midterms will ask why nothing has gotten done despite Dems' complete control of Congress, and the only response will be but, but, but, but.

Meanwhile when the orcs ask what's being done their leaders are happy to yell WOKE DISNEY LIBERAL TEARS!
 
Similar story, GOP going after businesses that do anything that can be considered critical of their moral panic politics:

Texas Lawmaker Warns Citigroup Against Paying for Out-of-State Abortions
A state representative threatened to introduce legislation that would bar local governments from doing business with companies that had such policies.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/business/citigroup-abortion-texas-warning.html?referringSource=articleShare

Disney strikes me as being in a uniquely tough spot because they can't really up and move their giant theme park, but many other companies might find that relocating their corporate headquarters is easier than dealing with this nonsense. Companies often venue shop for tax and other practical reasons, moving out of state because you don't want to have to deal with fascist grandstanders going through your HR policies with a fine toothed comb strikes me as not that far-fetched.

Right wing politicians have correctly concluded that the best way to appeal to their base is by being authoritarians, rewarding their sycophants and, more importantly, punishing the disloyal. It remains to be seen if this approach can achieve broader success, but I'm not optimistic given the non-response of mainstream liberals.
 
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Disney movies made under the Disney brand* have had exactly ONE admittedly gay character - the heroine's brother in Jungle Cruise. They have had others who "code" gay and act effeminate or butch or such, but only one who openly stated that he preferred the company of the same sex as himself.

But - that's not good enough, apparently, for the right wing.

Plus, the Conspiracy wing of the GOP is just plain crazy.

The Christian Conservative movement boycotted Disney back in the 1990's over "Gay Day". LGB advocates (the "T" was not part of the movement back then) started picking one day a year to go to Disneyland. They didn't consult Disney in this decision making, they didn't make a protest out it. It was just a day they all picked to go to Disneyland together and have fun. The Christian Conservatives wanted Disney to stop that, but Disney couldn't not really. So the CC movement tried to boycott them. Didn't work and it just sort of gradually fizzled out.




*Disney owns a bunch of other brands/studios that make content, they may have gay characters, I don't know.
 
Donal said:
All Democratic commercials/statements/speeches/etc should consist of 3 parts

1) what they have accomplished. Show people how the Democrats are addressing issues that affect everyone's lives.
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Ok, now what would those be, that don't trigger the gang whose real issue is the idea that the government is taking their money to give to <insert race who supposedly only lives on welfare, child support and crime, but is taking their jobs anyway>? (Makes you wonder what their job actually IS:p)

Because what seems to have made Trump their messiah is that he finally dropped the pretense that it's about anything else, and/or tolerated others to be even more explicit. It used to be more like "I'm not racist, I have (imaginary) black friends, it's just about the *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* inner city crime. And the *cough* welfare culture. You know, the takers." But I guess some of the voters were too dumb to understand dog-whistles. Like that when you say "inner city" you mean "blacks". Now it's moved to a much more explicit "latinos are rapists" and the current buzzword being "13% of the population commits 52% of violent crimes."

So what DO you tell them that you've done for equality, for the less privileged, etc, that doesn't just remind them why they're against you in the first place?
 
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Why are they upset with Disney? I would say that these conservatives probably feel they have a pretty good idea of where this is all headed. They know it is only just a matter of time before even pedophiles are officially considered one of the "alphabet people". They see the perversion of children's minds already at play.

So, when Disney takes a political stand seemingly supporting what is popularly considered by many to be perverse, you can expect some backlash. Especially since Disney is supposedly "child-centric" in the eyes of many.
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They don't know it. They may believe it, just as some opponents of gay rights knew the nonsense they spewed about the erosion of marriage and the inevitable legalization of bestial and polyamorous marriage, but they were wrong, because they did not know what they thought they knew.

And to be clear, as it seems one often must add here, belief is belief, not knowledge, even if it later turns out to be true.

But aside from this, I think you must distinguish between a political stand that opposes a stupid and oppressive law, and one that supports all the things that law addresses.

I could, for example, support a law that protects stupid people from persecution, without supporting stupidity.

The law in question here is, in the opinion of many, blindingly stupid, not just for its target but for its ambiguity and internal contradictions, making it possible that a teacher could be sued for discussing the constitution or explaining even the law itself, and, conversely, that opposing parties could bombard the schools with suits claiming that orientation indoctrination includes references to conventional heterosexual relationships. The law can be construed to contradict itself even on the question of what constitutes "instruction."

Of course this is nothing new. This is, after all the state that has tried to argue against global warming by making it illegal for state employees to talk about it. I have a little clipping from somewhere around 1970, noting that the Fort Lauderdale city council had just passed a law forbidding obscenity which was so specific that, since it violated itself, it could not be made public.
 
HansMustermann said:
Ok, now what would those be, that don't trigger the gang whose real issue is the idea that the government is taking their money to give to <insert race who supposedly only lives on welfare, child support and crime, but is taking their jobs anyway>? (Makes you wonder what their job actually IS:p)

Because what seems to have made Trump their messiah is that he finally dropped the pretense that it's about anything else, and/or tolerated others to be even more explicit. It used to be more like "I'm not racist, I have (imaginary) black friends, it's just about the *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* inner city crime. And the *cough* welfare culture. You know, the takers." But I guess some of the voters were too dumb to understand dog-whistles. Like that when you say "inner city" you mean "blacks". Now it's moved to a much more explicit "latinos are rapists" and the current buzzword being "13% of the population commits 52% of violent crimes."

So what DO you tell them that you've done for equality, for the less privileged, etc, that doesn't just remind them why they're against you in the first place?
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The same way you convince an alcoholic to stop drinking. You don't. You can't convince people who think Donald Trump was a good president, God-fearing Christian, and savvy businessman. They need their own Road to Damascus moment and choose to better themselves.

this isn't about selling Democratic candidates and policies to MAGAts. This is about fixing the signal-to-noise ratio that is out of whack. This is about pumping up the base and selling to people who either aren't all that interested in the partisan sniping or simply haven't been informed.

Stop reacting to and engaging Republicans on their terms.
 
Donal said:
Stop reacting to and engaging Republicans on their terms.
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Normally I'd say this is decent advice, but I think that the right has pushed into such absurd positions that directly confronting them on it would probably be a good idea.

I think being opposed to these book burning, moral panic mongering fascists is something that would be broadly popular, but the problem is that there is no organizational energy to counter these loons. People don't like the idea of these crackpots taking over their schools and their society more generally, you just have to get everyone organized.

ETA: I've said before, countering these freaks is going to mean that normal people are going to have to start caring about all the little things as much as these facebook-poisoned nutcases do. You can't really rely on school boards or local governments to do the unglamorous work without much supervision like you used to, because right wing freaks are identifying weak spots and trying to leverage their small but organized and fervent movement.
 
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Every accusation from the Right is a confession. So as soon as the troll masters tell the troll sheep what the actual complaint is, we'll know what the Right is actually doing.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Normally I'd say this is decent advice, but I think that the right has pushed into such absurd positions that directly confronting them on it would probably be a good idea.

I think being opposed to these book burning, moral panic mongering fascists is something that would be broadly popular, but the problem is that there is no organizational energy to counter these loons. People don't like the idea of these crackpots taking over their schools and their society more generally, you just have to get everyone organized.

ETA: I've said before, countering these freaks is going to mean that normal people are going to have to start caring about all the little things as much as these facebook-poisoned nutcases do. You can't really rely on school boards or local governments to do the unglamorous work without much supervision like you used to, because right wing freaks are identifying weak spots and trying to leverage their small but organized and fervent movement.
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I think that is another massive failure of the Democratic "leadership" at the top. They do next to nothing to engage with genuine grassroots organizations. Everything needs to go through "proper channels". There is a real passion for their stated principles and goals in these organizations, but the national party is simply scared to do anything with it.
 
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