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Wrong door shootings.

shemp

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The kid got shot in the head, and they say they have to wait for him to make a statement??? WHAT KIND OF ******* ******** IS THAT??? When someone gets murdered, do they wait for the victim to send a statement from the afterlife???

This is pure nonsense. If the kid was white and the homeowner was black, the cops would probably have pumped about 50 rounds into the homeowner!

:sarcasm: But it's the kid's fault, of course! He should have known he was at the wrong address because the neighborhood was too nice for any blacks to be allowed to buy a home! :sarcasm:
 
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shemp said:
The kid got shot in the head, and they say they have to wait for him to make a statement??? WHAT KIND OF ******* ******** IS THAT??? When someone gets murdered, do they wait for the victim to send a statement from the afterlife???

This is pure nonsense. If the kid was white and the homeowner was black, the cops would probably have pumped about 50 rounds into the homeowner!

:sarcasm: But it's the kid's fault, of course! He should have known he was at the wrong address because the neighborhood was too nice for any blacks to be allowed to buy a home! :sarcasm:
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I assume that a white woman being shot and killed in similar circumstances is less newsworthy because she is just a woman?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65307556

ETA I like this quote.

Mr Monahan (the shooter) was "uncooperative with the investigation and refused to exit his residence to speak with police", the sheriff's office said in a news release.
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Botham Jean could also be included as a wrong door shooting, though his death was the reverse of the others.
 
Today, woman car passenger Kaylin Gillis in New York state.

A woman looking for a friend’s house in upstate New York was shot dead after the car she was riding in mistakenly went to the wrong address and was met with gunfire in the driveway, authorities have said.

Kaylin Gillis, 20, was travelling through the rural town of Hebron with three people on Saturday night when the group made a wrong turn on to the property.

They were trying to turn the car around when the homeowner, Kevin Monahan, 65, came out on to his porch and fired two shots, according to the Washington County sheriff, Jeff Murphy. One round hit Gillis.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/17/new-york-man-open-fire-murder
 
It's not the only idiotically crazy or crazily idiotic aspect of these cases, but if the shooter is so terrified of someone ringing the doorbell why the hell do they open the door?
 
TragicMonkey said:
It's not the only idiotically crazy or crazily idiotic aspect of these cases, but if the shooter is so terrified of someone ringing the doorbell why the hell do they open the door?
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Simple. So they can shoot somebody more accurately. Very hard to aim at them through a closed door. Just ask Oscar Pistorius.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It's not the only idiotically crazy or crazily idiotic aspect of these cases, but if the shooter is so terrified of someone ringing the doorbell why the hell do they open the door?
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You basically summed up my wife’s hot take on the story. There are, however, many other failures in this story
 
Norman Alexander said:
Simple. So they can shoot somebody more accurately. Very hard to aim at them through a closed door. Just ask Oscar Pistorius.
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Thought of shoe horning that one in, but it is structurally different.
There was the case of being on the wrong floor, but can't recall details.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It's not the only idiotically crazy or crazily idiotic aspect of these cases, but if the shooter is so terrified of someone ringing the doorbell why the hell do they open the door?
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And fear does appear to part of the problem:

"The 84-year-old white man who shot 16-year-old Ralph Yarl said he was "scared to death" before opening fire, according to a probable cause statement." https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-lester-scared-ralph-yarl-before-shooting-him-1795040

This is apparently the statement that quote comes from:



 
Samson said:
Thought of shoe horning that one in, but it is structurally different.
There was the case of being on the wrong floor, but can't recall details.
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Off-duty policewoman barged into what she thought was her apartment, only to find the occupant, a black man, there and thought he was burgling the place. So she shot him despite his protests she had it wrong. Then she discovered she was on the wrong floor. It was not her apartment, it was his.
 
As I said in previous similar cases the problem is we allow people to claim "they were scared to death" as an excuse for why they killed someone only when their actions were not those of someone scared.

Officer OopsieWrongDoor TiredNHorny's entire defense depended on her being a widdle woman scawwed of the big black man AND a murderology death machine police officer who's kill reflex kicked in at the same time. The pedestrian who ran the biker into the street's story depending on us believing that walking toward what you are scared of is a thing that people do. A dozen different stories of police officers murdering suspects boil down to "The suspect was such a danger to society that if we didn't put them in cuffs, leg irons, a straightjacket, and a Hannibel Lector Mask they would at any moment leap to their feet and start punching continents to death... but then we just left them unsupervised in the back of the van, jail cell, etc, while they died of positional asphyxiation."

The number of "scared for my life" people who are only scared exactly in the contexts of how much it lets them kill other people and in literally no other context is frankly amazing.
 
When I stayed with relatives in leafy suburban Connecticut, I was advised to not walk to the local shops, due to the danger of being shot, caused by local nervousness over home invasions. I then got one hell of a fright when I was home alone and left the back door open, to be confronted by a neighbour, who thankfully was not armed.

I otherwise managed to be in the wrong place 4 times, when guns were drawn or fired, in the 3 months I was there and worked in Boston.

I do think I was lucky to get out of the USA alive.
 
Darat said:
And fear does appear to part of the problem:

"The 84-year-old white man who shot 16-year-old Ralph Yarl said he was "scared to death" before opening fire, according to a probable cause statement." https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-lester-scared-ralph-yarl-before-shooting-him-1795040

This is apparently the statement that quote comes from:



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It's "crazy old white man scared to death by right-wing propaganda syndrome."
 
The topic brought up an issue from my own life, a difficult story for me to tell.

Content warning: harm to a pet

Living in Florida I was well aware of the stories of shooting at strangers at the door. My roommate and I didn't know the neighbors too well. We'd never spoken to them, but noticed that there were often loud arguments and that the husband was clearly drunk a lot. Mostly we just steered clear.

The neighbor's house had two things that were the source of trouble on this occasion: a backyard above-ground pool, and a small dog. We worked late shift, so it was common for us to be outside chatting quietly late at night while my roommate smoked. Must have been about 2 in the morning, we faintly heard sounds of splashing in the pool. Naturally worried that their pet was having a mishap, we discussed what to do. We did not feel comfortable pounding on their door at 2AM. So instead we took what we thought was a responsible action, phoning the police emergency line.

They took the report, and we waited. Growing increasingly uneasy as the splashing sounds continued. We tried calling again. Apparently there was a large fight elsewhere in the neighborhood that was tying up most police resources. By the time a squad car finally arrived to alert the homeowners, it was too late.

I heard the splashing stop before the police could arrive. I heard her scream in grief when she found out her pet didn't make it. That will haunt me forever. Because we were too scared of our neighbors to knock on a door for an emergency in the middle of the night. I've carried guilt for that ever since.

Years later the loudmouth drunk husband was gone and I was on better terms with the same neighbor. So things eventually smoothed over, but I remember anyway.
 
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